Post by: VideoBallReviews on December 07, 2009, 12:54:09 PM
Its been a little while since i have done some videos but for good reason, i have found a new house to film at. Not only is there better lighting but i also have a multitude of oil patterns to test on. ALL of my videos will now be featured on a typical house shot and on some type of sport shot.
So you can compare, this house shot may not have alot of length (It's 38') BUT there is quite a bit more volume than the last house i filmed at.
So here is the new release from Storm, THE INVASION
This ball is just downright STRONG...full review coming soon but here are the videos for your viewing pleasure...
http://www.videoballreviews.com/invasion.html
Comparison to the Virtual Gravity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjlSqJe68zM
Layout Comparison
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3JbuvvH0Sk
Surface Change
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeBdR8DqzSE
Enjoy - As always all comments and questions are welcomed.
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Post by: BallsDeep on December 07, 2009, 10:23:02 PM
The previous stuff by storm seemed to turn the corner a bit harder than the stuff out by roto grip. The virtual gravity generally was quite a bit more angular than the cell. Now, it seems as though this relationship may have reversed or at least leveled off. The mutant cell seems to get pretty angular on the backend, while the invasion looks to have more of a rolly look. Is this just my impression, or would you say the same?
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Post by: VideoBallReviews on December 08, 2009, 04:12:30 AM
When the cell came out it was a big hooking, big rolling super monster...super controlable and versatile. Then the Virtual Gravity came out and gave the bowler what he always wanted, a long and strong reaction on heavier oil patterns. For me the Virtual always hooked about 4-5 more boards than a cell AT THE SAME SURFACE. (Remember the cell came 2000 OOB and the VG is 4000 OOB).
In my opinon the Invasion and Mutant have the same relationship, just take a step to the left (or right for you leftys). Look at these balls as the next generation of the Cell and Virtual Gravity. They have stronger, next generation covers with tweaked stronger cores. While comparable, i know quite a few people who had both a virtual gravity and a cell, and i see no reason why they couldnt have a Mutant and an Invasion to compliment each other.
In essence, Cell is to Virtual Gravity as Mutant Cell is to Invasion.
Hope that helps.
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Post by: greenefam on December 08, 2009, 09:48:55 AM
I missed something with all the discussions going on about the Invasion. Is this a Premier (Asym.) ball? For some reason I have been assuming this is the Dimension replacement but in your layouts I see a MB marking.
Post by: VideoBallReviews on December 08, 2009, 09:58:03 AM
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Britton,
I missed something with all the discussions going on about the Invasion. Is this a Premier (Asym.) ball? For some reason I have been assuming this is the Dimension replacement but in your layouts I see a MB marking.
Yes it is asymmetrical. This ball will be in the Premire Line along with the Virtual Gravity and Virtual Energy.
The 15# specs are as follows - 2.48 RG, .057 Diff, .017 Intermediate Diff
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Post by: BallsDeep on December 08, 2009, 10:17:50 AM
I understand where you're coming from as far as the overall hook argument as the invasion really looks super strong. It seems like the core stats sort of support my argument on the reaction shape, however.
The seminar where Hank Boomershine talked about the mutant cell core he said that he increased the intermediate (mb) differential (and reduce the differential) in order to get the ball to tip harder than the cell on the backend.
Cell - 2.52rg .056diff .018mbdiff
Mutant Cell - 2.54rg .047diff .021mbdiff
If we extend this idea to the virtual gravity vs. invasion, the virtual gravity (.020 mb diff and .052 diff) would seem to have a stronger backend motion than the invasion (.017 mb diff and .057).
Once again, I see the strong vs weak aspect of what you're saying. The videos are great and its nice to get a visual understanding of these balls before they hit the shelves. Thanks.
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Post by: VideoBallReviews on December 08, 2009, 12:00:17 PM
quote:
Thanks for the thorough reply Britton.
I understand where you''''''''re coming from as far as the overall hook argument as the invasion really looks super strong. It seems like the core stats sort of support my argument on the reaction shape, however.
The seminar where Hank Boomershine talked about the mutant cell core he said that he increased the intermediate (mb) differential (and reduce the differential) in order to get the ball to tip harder than the cell on the backend.
Cell - 2.52rg .056diff .018mbdiff
Mutant Cell - 2.54rg .047diff .021mbdiff
If we extend this idea to the virtual gravity vs. invasion, the virtual gravity (.020 mb diff and .052 diff) would seem to have a stronger backend motion than the invasion (.017 mb diff and .057).
Once again, I see the strong vs weak aspect of what you''''''''re saying. The videos are great and its nice to get a visual understanding of these balls before they hit the shelves. Thanks.
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Not a problem, happy to answer.
Yes you are correct my comment was directed more at total overall hook, the numbers support the reaction shape difference you suggested...and yes i believe the virtual will push further and make a stronger move at the back of the pattern than an invasion. The new R3X Coverstock is something special tho, and the amount of friction it can create is really visable with the invasion...as you can see in my video when i throw the invasion on the same line it wants to dig in real hard in the middle part of the lane and just keep going. The overall hook potential of the Invasion is greater and it still retains a strong move downlane. If your virtual gravity is getting a little squirly or just not coming around the corner, the invasion will be the way to go. So while you are looking at core numbers, you must also look at coverstock composition as a major part of ball reaction.
Now compared to the mutant, the surface prep which is a major factor in ball reaction must also be taken into consideration...just like the Virtual Gravity and Cell, the Invasion and Mutant come oob at different surfaces. (Invasion @ 4000 and Mutant @ 2000...For me (and your results may vary) the invasion at 4000 is similar in hook potential to the mutant at 2000, just completly different reaction shapes...just for kicks i took the invasion to 2000 the other day, and it was much earlier and stronger than the mutant, so with all things being equal, for me the invasion is the stronger ball.
Storm has always done a great job of seperation in their equipment, within its own brand and between Storm and Roto Grip. Between the two brands in my opinion they have the most complete lineup in the industry.
Either way good topic of discussion, hopefully my explination makes sense.
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Edited on 12/8/2009 1:09 PM
Post by: tc300 on December 08, 2009, 12:35:32 PM
quote:
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Storm has always done a great job of seperation in their equipment, within its own brand and between Storm and Roto Grip.
**Between the two brands in my opinion they have the most complete lineup in the industry.**
and that would be why most pba tournys are won with these 2 awsome companys!!!!
Post by: Steve Richter on December 08, 2009, 01:15:46 PM
One thing to add and to maybe accentuate is his note about the ball digging in the middle of the lane. I was getting wiggle with a Mutant while in the puddle and went to the Invasion in the same spot and went high in the first shot because of how hard it was in the midlane. A 4 and 2 move left and I have Lois (the lane).
Visually speaking, it almost "looks" like the Invasion is creating more traction in oil than anything I've ever seen to the point it almost "looks" like it's facing up while still in the pattern. Ton's of control and power on the back to kick out the 10's.
I'll also note that I have had 2 each of the Gravity and Energy in the Virtual line and haven't matched up to any of them. I always matched up better to CELL's. This one is different though...I'm looking forward to more chances to toss this in the near future.
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Post by: Doug Sterner on December 08, 2009, 03:41:29 PM
The look on the lanes appears similar.
Anybody?
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Post by: wpzone on December 08, 2009, 07:03:56 PM
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on December 08, 2009, 07:17:49 PM
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Post by: VideoBallReviews on December 08, 2009, 08:07:12 PM
Yes this was the black ball at the matchmaker/open houses.
WP,
I most likely wont be doing a video review comparing the two. I can tell you i filmed both the invasion and mutant cell videos at the same time. So if you watch the invasion on the scorpion pattern and the mutant cell on the scorpion pattern it will give you somewhat of an idea of how they compare...remember tho, they have different layouts
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Post by: wpzone on December 08, 2009, 08:18:18 PM
Post by: fluff33 on December 08, 2009, 09:22:39 PM
Post by: Doug Sterner on December 08, 2009, 09:50:25 PM
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Post by: tburky on December 10, 2009, 03:55:12 AM
Edited on 12/10/2009 5:02 AM
Post by: tizzle on December 10, 2009, 06:12:46 AM
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Hmm..Lets see what I have in this bag...
a Frenzy, 2.5 percent of a C-System, and a Python Snake.. how can I loose....
....HG-300(2006 w/Desert Heat)...299 (03/15/09 w/Agent Orange)...HS-776 (Hot Sauce Pearl & Ebonite Magic)
Post by: VideoBallReviews on December 10, 2009, 04:58:53 PM
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Wish I had this ball last night.. after a guy bowled 24 shots going brooklyn, the oil wss all over the place, the c-system would turn the corner but finish flat, I needed something with surface. Britton that ball looks beastly, its crazy how that thing just stands up in the oil and gets left in a hurry. I see I need to get one asap. Whats the tag on this thing?
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Hmm..Lets see what I have in this bag...
a Frenzy, 2.5 percent of a C-System, and a Python Snake.. how can I loose....
....HG-300(2006 w/Desert Heat)...299 (03/15/09 w/Agent Orange)...HS-776 (Hot Sauce Pearl & Ebonite Magic)
Do you mean price tag Tizzle? If so, im not certain but it should be similar to the price of the Virtual Gravity. Im sure pre-orders should be popping up soon.
And yes, it cetainly is beastly
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Post by: Slumpbuster on December 14, 2009, 09:02:21 PM
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Post by: SKC on December 17, 2009, 12:42:22 PM
Ball looks interesting..
Noticed you drilled the thumb in the MB on the 4" to PAP one..
Any particular reason for that? I mean, looking at his PAP and his revrate, i'm just wondering why you would go with such a strong layout.. Or is this one drilled for some specific type of patterns for this bowler?
Thanks..
Keep up the good work Britton..
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Post by: Slumpbuster on December 29, 2009, 04:40:49 PM
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Is this because maybe Storm finally realized what a waste of money it was for them to let you leech on with your videos that show no differnce in reations what so ever??? New house, new patterns, new balls, SAME OLD Britton...... So since its dec and you're contract was probably a year and the year is almost over.....that why there wont be a comparision? Or is because in your hands they'll be dead on top of eachother like all your other videos???quote:
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Come AMF/900 or don't come at all!!
why no reply? i'm sure all of ballreviews will be lined up to tell you that its okay, that you did a great job and that something else will come up for you. Let the pity party begin in 3 days!
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Post by: lil League Coach on December 29, 2009, 07:58:40 PM
I know at my local bowling alley there are alot of bowlers that come in the shop talking about videoballreviews.
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Post by: raiderh20boy on December 29, 2009, 08:30:42 PM
Jan 28th is the tentative date for release.
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on December 29, 2009, 08:32:02 PM
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Post by: Mustang Guy on December 30, 2009, 08:10:10 AM
At Storm Products we do not try to compare Storm against Roto Grip. We don't feel that benefits our Brands at all. It is our goal to have the most complete product line by Storm and the Roto Grip balls are meant to fit inbetween those lines with price and performance.
In the example of the Cell series it is priced less and rivals the Dimension series. A perfect example of canibilization as the Dimension series unfortunately was not a good seller. Cells hooked more for less.
Therefore we compare within their own lines and let the customers decide how our products compare to the competition or each other. The videos Britton does for Storm and Roto Grip are meant to aid customers in choosing a product by being able to see the reaction characteristics from the videos. Britton works as a consultant for our company and will continue to do videos for us.
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Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on December 30, 2009, 09:15:47 AM
Does that mean the dimension line is leaving soon since you said the dimension line didn't sell well? I think both the second dimension and the dimension are really good balls, but with the dimension I don't see enough oil for that ball unless it's on a longer pattern. The second dimension I love and keep two in my bag...
Sorry I got off topic a bit there. Is there going to be a Pearl version of the invasion going to be release in the next couple months?
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Slump,
At Storm Products we do not try to compare Storm against Roto Grip. We don't feel that benefits our Brands at all. It is our goal to have the most complete product line by Storm and the Roto Grip balls are meant to fit inbetween those lines with price and performance.
In the example of the Cell series it is priced less and rivals the Dimension series. A perfect example of canibilization as the Dimension series unfortunately was not a good seller. Cells hooked more for less.
Therefore we compare within their own lines and let the customers decide how our products compare to the competition or each other. The videos Britton does for Storm and Roto Grip are meant to aid customers in choosing a product by being able to see the reaction characteristics from the videos. Britton works as a consultant for our company and will continue to do videos for us.
Thanks,
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Roger Noordhoek
Brand Manager
Roto Grip, Inc.
888-450-6920
RogerN@rotogrip.com
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Post by: tburky on December 30, 2009, 03:47:33 PM
quote:
Slump,
At Storm Products we do not try to compare Storm against Roto Grip. We don't feel that benefits our Brands at all. It is our goal to have the most complete product line by Storm and the Roto Grip balls are meant to fit inbetween those lines with price and performance.
In the example of the Cell series it is priced less and rivals the Dimension series. A perfect example of canibilization as the Dimension series unfortunately was not a good seller. Cells hooked more for less.
Therefore we compare within their own lines and let the customers decide how our products compare to the competition or each other. The videos Britton does for Storm and Roto Grip are meant to aid customers in choosing a product by being able to see the reaction characteristics from the videos. Britton works as a consultant for our company and will continue to do videos for us.
Thanks,
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Roger Noordhoek
Brand Manager
Roto Grip, Inc.
888-450-6920
RogerN@rotogrip.com
www.rotogrip.com
For all your Roto Grip Logo Merchandise please visit www.rotogear.com
Roger, it is very unfortunate that the dimension series was not a good seller. The best of the 2 balls is the 2nd dimension. That ball is a sleeper and is very versatile. I got one box finish and 1 with 2000 abralon by hand. 2000 abralon excellent on fresh really blends out the lane. Box finish gives me nice downlane hook. i will have me a couple of blanks on hand.
Post by: Bigmike on December 30, 2009, 06:07:08 PM
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