Post by: admin on December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: PJM300 on March 31, 2001, 12:25:23 PM
Post by: Brenton Davy on April 01, 2001, 10:48:01 AM
EMB drilled label, 0 finger/thumb weight and 5/8oz + side weight, 3" pin 10 c'clock beneath fingers, CG below grip mid line, 1" out from grip centre line, no balance hole. EMB logo is 1 1/2" above the grip mid line for arc reaction.
This is supposed to be the arc drilling!!! This polished particle ball just skids and then flips harder than any other ball I have ever thrown. I thank the lord I didn't put the flip drill on it. This ball gives such a strong backend reaction that when it appears to have no hope of making the recovery to the hole it just blasts back from seemingly too far out and rips the rack. This is not a soft hitting ball, indeed it is so powerful that messengers are common even for my release which has softened with age (42 years old).
Caveat: this is not a reverse block ball, but if you have area it will read it to perfection. I can't think of a ball that will maximise your scoring potential on a high scoring condition more than the EMB. It is clean thru the heads and reads the condition to perfection. It is a matter purely of find the oil line and have fun. Roll out is greatly reduced, especially in box condition, but it will make the best oiler yet if dulled. I expect that to be the case at the upcoming Australian Open. Will review it again after that (if I get to use it there). Meanwhile as the drill specs say in step 5....."layout span, drill holes and have fun!"
You will with this one
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Post by: Aloarjr810 on April 05, 2001, 03:03:41 PM
Ball info- 16#, CG to Pin is 5 3/8â€
Drilling(RH)- Pin 3 7/8†from axis (Pap is located 5 7/8†>5/8†^) above and right of the ring finger, CG is 6 1/4’ from axis located 2†below the center of the grip.
Cover stock texture- Factory polished and scuffed.
Lanes/conditions- Brunswick Pro Anvil, Approx Heads 20units 8 to 8 and 17units at 2 board(left side was 11units) pattern going to 41ft.
Lane play- Was tried from 12 to 20 board at the arrows.This seemed the best area for the conditions so far.
Review-Polished or scuffed the EMB was clean thru the heads with a powerful turn on the backend. Its has good recovery where other balls labored to come back, the EMB would wind up and make the turn. Tracks flywheel weight block idea looks good and I expect to see it show up again. Deflection was good also.With a little area to work with this ball is a winner and has a high potential.
With carry down and/or dirty pin decks,the polished EMB still made the turn and drove.
But would would start leaving 10pins or wash outs. Scuffing the EMB helped solve this with better control and I recommend a scuffing or a light sanding for the surface if playing fresh oil or a wet/wet condition. Should be a good oiler with the right dull texture. Polished on shorter patterns or conditions with good backends or patterns starting to break down it seems to work good. Its stays in play longer than I would have thought. Just make sure to keep your speed constant and give it some room.
The ball holds pretty good on pulls, but depending on the condition it might cross Brooklyn or it can drive thru the head pin for a split. If just right of the head it should carry a strike.
Post by: Charlie Lacy on April 06, 2001, 01:49:31 PM
I drilled mine 5 by 5 1/2 and I get better than average length
with an arching backend. Ball reaction is very readable and can
be used on a variety of conditions.
Post by: AUS leftie on April 09, 2001, 08:36:23 PM
Kegle did the lanes and the guy there stated it was the hardest pattern he could put down without putting down a reverse block. The pattern was 37ft in length with ultra clean backends after the wash.
I am a lefty with medium rev's bowling at about 15-16 miles per hour. I can tell you that I only used this ball about 10 shots in Malaysia and 9 of those were in practice. It wasn't the length that was the problem it was the dramatic right hand turn when it hit the backend. This ball was jumping at least 12 boards at a time and the chances of me controlling it on a fresh condition was impossible. I left splits I never thought possible. I put it back in the bag and waited until I got home.
I let some other lefties use it back home, a lower rev person than me who had no problems in turning it (not much deflection when it hit) and a another lefty who hits it harder than me on a ditched house condition. The guy in league was using a Red Alert Zone and swinging it from 8 out to the edge. I gave him the EMB to use and after some stray shots found his mark, 16 board out to the edge. I couldn't believe how much more this ball turned down the backend. It appeared to accelerate when it hit the backend and did not deflect very much at all. Very impressive and to date this ball has only left me with 2 seven pins (got to be a good thing).
1 week into having this ball I have elected to take the surface to a 1200 sheen finish. What a relief! This ball is definitely more controllable now and has cut back the violent hook I was experiencing before. This ball still goes long and still turns pretty hard without rolling out. I recommend anyone who is having troubles bowling with this ball to play with the surface a bit. It has made a considerable difference to my chances of using this ball from game 1.
This ball is a great addition to the TRACK family and I wouldn't be surprised if TRACK brought out another with the same weightblock, maybe a pearl pro-active or something. This ball takes a little time to get use to but when the surface is fixed up and tune to your specific needs, it is awesome. Thanks to Brando from brandosproshop.com.au for drilling this baby. 9/10.
Post by: thegame on April 13, 2001, 04:59:22 PM
ME: PAP: 4 3/4 over, 1/2 up, average speed and revs.
BALL: Pin: 2 1/2 inches, Top weight: 3 oz.
Drilled the ball with small EMB logo above the pin for good length and sharp backend. Wanted this ball to combat carrydown and produce a reasonable carry angle. First house, ball carried great, but was not very sharp at breakpoint. Second house, much sharper backend, almost unplayable, break. This leads me to believe there was some carrydown in the first house, which is what the ball was purchased for, and it handled that great. The ball hits very well, carries excellently, and thus far I am very pleased with it. Great ball when you need something you can send out, and can be confident it will come back. Great job Track!
Post by: Bowl299 on April 23, 2001, 10:56:45 PM
But as Bowling this Month said when you can not keep it in the pocket you need to change. When you can keep it in the pocket the strike percentage is over 90 percent for me.
Because I am low track play my pin, cg and emb spot is different than most poeple. But I drill it to go about a little more the half way and break smooth and it works for me.
So I suggest everyone try their own way and have fun with it
Post by: sunsetlefty on April 26, 2001, 03:02:25 PM
the layout of the ball is as follows (I'm lefty): Pin 3 3/8" from PAP with the Pin directly left of my ring finger, CG 1/4" left of Grip Center, small EMB mass bias logo placed in the top left quadrant, near Grip Centerline, after drilling there was maybe 1/2 oz. top weight remaining. The Pin layout is leverage, but the CG and mass bias, according to the drill sheet, were set up to promote length and strong arc. The ball comes factory polished and was left that way. Analysis: on most house shots, which are tailored to help get the ball to the pocket, I could play two shots: from 15-17 board out to anywhere near the ditch, firm speed, and flip hard around the ball, and watch this thing go longer than I thought possible, and then just completely turn right,flop onto the 3rd flywheel weight puck, and drive hard with no rollout through the pocket. The second shot was from 15-17 out no further than 10, without hitting on the ball. I was surprised to see that the ball would hold the line as well as it did, and kept expecting it to jump hard. This wasn't the case. This ball hits good; I've thrown balls that hit harder, but the pins stay low, and the carry is outstanding. I don't think that this ball will play well straight down and in, because it'll flip too hard too early. I also cannot honestly evaluate this ball on a heavy oil condition, although with the polished coverstock, I would guess that the movement would tame down. If you bowl on a condition where you can swing, and have some hand and ball speed, this thing will flat out roar. This ball will definitely make the trip to Reno!
Post by: BuddiesProShopcom - Bill on May 02, 2001, 09:48:28 AM
When we received this ball, we also received a brief packet of information on how to layout this ball. This is a completely new idea in bowling with the Ellipitical Mass Bias being located in the finger quadrant. With a new concept comes new drillings.
We laid out a couple of these balls, and we placed the EMB at different degrees from the grip line. One was a 30 degrees from the grip line on the positive side, and another 45 degrees. The 45 degree layout produce more skid/snap than the 30. I am sure that there will be a lot of drilling for this ball as time passes.
I on a scale of 1-10, I would give this ball a 6. The reason it is so low, is because it is not driller friendly, and can result in bad reactions. We have also heard that drilling sheets have not been included in every ball. This ball is a great ball when laid out properly. A different reaction from this ball will give you something different on those tougher shot. You can change the surface easily to meet each bowlers needs.
If you have any questions, please email me at Bill@buddiesproshop.com.
Thanks
Bill
Post by: DLJ on May 07, 2001, 10:30:45 AM
Bowler style: Cranker (High rev, med ball speed)
Lane: 35ft oil (single oiling) buff backend
Drill: 45 degress from grip
Rating: ? see below
Drilled with the EMB 45 deg. from the grip. Tech. that was supposed to produce a lot of skid and strong back end snap.
The skid was good on that layout but there was alot of ball wobble towards the end and it did not snap as strong.
My driller and i spent a long time trying to figure out how to drill this ball and we still experienced the wobble towards the backend. It was not as conotrollable as my other balls like the trauma, eraser or the command zone.
Not to take anything away from this ball but this ball has huge potential to be as close to a one ball arsenal IF drilled correctly. It was not very user friendly when it comes to drilling. If your driller is not VERY familiar with your bowling style, suggest you try other balls.
We are still experimenting with other layouts to suit but we do see great potential. Because of that, we dont think it would be fair to rate this ball. Will give more feedback when we are able to.
Post by: Tyrone_Ongpauco on May 13, 2001, 11:32:25 AM
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Post by: DLJ on May 18, 2001, 12:41:39 PM
Bowler style: Cranker (med spd, high rev)
Lane: 2nd shift league. Patchy backend, 35 ft single oiling
Drill: Pin directly above centre of ring and middle finger
EMB (small logo) 3inch directly above pin.
Long skid, medium arc backend
This is my 2nd review of the EMB after we hit problems with the layout on my previous review.
WIth this 2nd review and a new layout, I can say that the EMB is a great ball! The ball skidded way down the lane, cleared the heads and pines with ease and arced towards the pocket even when the lanes were drying up.
Right out of the box condition, it skidded further down the lane than a polished eraser or a polished command zone. It kept its length and gave good backend reaction and it stores its energy really well. Will not flatten out as it hits the pins and it really hits the pins hard.
Take some care when drilling it (layout) and you will find that it is indeed an AWESOME ball that will suit almost anyone. Even the heavy handed players will find it to be a great addition despite drying conditions.
Buy it just to find out what all the fuss is about.
Cheers,
DLJ
Rate: 8.75/10
Post by: Bowl299 on May 20, 2001, 11:46:42 PM
This ball is awesome for the last two set that I used I
shot 720 and 689 with two 260 plus games.
This ball seems when it hits the pocket it carries what feels
like 90 to 95 percent of the time. So I reallly like the ball
and hope Track kepts put out like this one.
Post by: Brenton Davy on May 21, 2001, 09:27:35 AM
Me: Lefty, 18mph ball speed, forward roll and low to medium revs
EMB drilled label, 0 finger/thumb weight and 5/8oz + side weight, 3" pin 10 c'clock beneath fingers, CG below grip mid line, 1" out from grip centre line, no balance hole. EMB logo is 1 1/2" above the grip mid line for arc reaction. Resurfaced back to box condition after approx 55 games.
Used this ball on 40 foot pattern (12 units to 7 board then up to abt 50 units on wood in box finish for 6 game set of 279, 269, 220, 279, 278, 279 for 1604/6 at Canberra Open on the weekend, playing 4 board at abt 28kph (abt 17 1/2mph) for a strong skid arc reaction, no over under on a shot that allowed 3 to 7 board. It needs room and a backend to be most effective, but it will maximise your carry power and scoring potential if you are on your game. If you are not quite on your game, go with something a little more forgiving but if you are hitting it well and consistently make it the first out of your bag!
Post by: bowler guy on May 22, 2001, 03:35:56 PM
I shot the sanded EMB on a drier shot than I thought would have been possible and had great results. The powerfull core allowed me to move very deep (something I dont do often) and play an extremely tight line pitching the ball over the fifth arrow out towards the ten pin and back. The ball never flipped hard but instead made a nice turn and continued to drive through the rack. This kind of shot was too much for the Stomp which would make it back to the pocket but would not have the energy to carry the ten pin. The EMB also recovered well when I missed right. It would hook back and not roll out like my other equipment would. In fact I have yet to get the ball to roll out it just doesnt want to quit.
I think for me this ball is going to rule on medium conditions and house shots (which I face most). I think for us lower rev players though, this ball is not going to be a bigger oiler. We will have to hope that the EMB II will have a stronger cover, however, I think everyone will like the powerful motion this ball posseses.
Jon
Post by: kevin louie on May 28, 2001, 12:55:25 AM
15# 4oz
pin 2-3" (2 1/4")
top weight 2 3/4"
polished
after drilling specs for right hander:
4 1/4" pin to axis point (pin under ring finger)
3 3/8" cg to axis point (cg kicked out)
1/4 oz finger weight, 1/2 oz positive side weight
with balance hole 6 1/2 from mid grip line
small emb logo placed in the 11:00 position
i am right handed ,roll about 18 mph with a 45 degree axis rotation with a medium hook. tried the emb in box condition it's polished state on a medium oily condition and got that over under reaction when it got to the dry backend part of the lane. light scuffed the emb using a gray scotchbrite pad on a ball spinner to take some of the polish off to give the emb a little more ball surface to work with so the emb surface has polish with a slight dull haze.
tried the emb on a medium and medium oily condition since the light scuffing and it's been a monster ever since. the roll is more predictable, great recovery and if it gets near the 1-3 pocket it's just blows the pins away. i have tried other track particle balls in the past
but the emb has to be the best of the track particle bowling balls so far.
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Post by: Zman on May 28, 2001, 03:46:24 AM
2 oz top weight
pin 3 inches out
Drilled 4 x 4 1/4 with the middle of the small EMB logo 3/4 inches to the right
of my grip center.
Ended up with 1/4 ounce side weight and 1/8 ounce finger.
Ball speed 16-17 mph medium revs.
Lane condition is 34 feet crowned out side the ten board and the lanes are stripped prior to the 1st shift shot, all wood lanes.
1st set out in a league where you bowl 2 then switch pairs and bowl two more after getting better timing 11 in a row, ten pin followed by another ten in a row. Nothing hits like a new ball but the carry percentage with this ball is so far amazing.
Compared to my Rock On drilled 3 3/8 x 3 3/8 this ball clears the heads and the midlane even after some burn up of the shot. It starts its move farther down the lane and is more of an arcing move even on the fresh strip.
The overall hook difference is 2-3 boards at best between the balls, but after throwing this one side by side in practice for the shot I'm bowling on the Rock On is up for sale. The Rock On is a great ball but if you are bowling on a condition where you need help clearing the heads and mid lane with a more forgiving even arcing shot and do not have too much hand this is the ball.
Another bowler in the league who has over fifty 800's and has won the Super Hoinke had one that was drilled nearly identical to mine but, has monster revs and had to put his up it was just too much ball on this conditiion for his game.
Post by: trackmanz on June 11, 2001, 03:19:41 AM
Post by: REVOLUTIONS PS on June 23, 2001, 03:34:05 PM
We tested the ball in it's out of the box condition. The drilling had the pin 4 1/2" from the p.a.p. and the c.g at 1/2 positive. This label type drilling left the EMB logo at 45 degrees.
The lanes (synthetics) were oiled 35 feet and had light play ahead of our tests. We had read that some people had experienced over/under reactions with the EMB so thats the first thing we looked for. Our tested is a stroker who has 19-21 revs at 17mph. The EMB got down the lane in great shape wich wasn't surprising, made an arc shaped move and continued through the pins strongly. From this angle (13 to 7) the carry was very strong in fact, the tester commented that this ball gave him the "securiy" of knowing that any flush pocket shot was going to carry the corners. With the back ends clean it was tough to measure the track flare but we estimate it at 4 to 4 1/2". We then tested the EMB on some pairs that had not been stripped or oiled in a few days. These lanes had more carry down and a dryer track up front. We moved deeper and were targeting 19 to a break point of 12-13. The EMB still got down the lane but wasn't getting around the corner well enough. Once we tightened up the line (crossed fewer boards) the EMB began to crunch the pins again. We did not at any time test the EMB with a dull shell, this being June it's tough to find enough oil to make it worth while. At no time during the tests did we ever experience any over/under reactions.
Overall, we liked the EMB as a powerful piece for medium to heavy oil. (depending upon how it reacts with the shell dull) This is premium performance at a premium price. What we didn't like had nothing to do with the ball itself but rather the promotional materials (drilling instructions) that came with it. Some people may not get the most out of the EMB because they will feel restricted with thier drilling options.
We also would like to make mention of the EMB's advertised roll out combating core. My personal opinion is that every ball stops hooking, it's just a question of when. Although this ball is very continuous, it will not solve roll out trouble for anyone who hasn't found anything else that does. That is, if you are bowling on dry lanes and have slow speed this ball will stop hooking too soon, similar to other particle balls. We should mention that at 17mph we could not detect the stop point on any shots we threw with the EMB. Again, we liked the ball very much and found it to be both very powerful and very continuous.
If you have any questions about this or any other review, e-mail us at: proshop@bowlero.com
Post by: Scott Kinney on June 26, 2001, 02:16:02 PM
Lanecondition: Med.Oil to dry.
Bowling style: Tweener but can play straight up or a deep swing line.
Fast speed, medium revolutions.
Ball: Elliptical Mass Bias with 2 3/4" Pin out, drilled 3 1/2" X 5", EMB Logo 45° with 2 oz. of top weight. Leverage layout with semi-arc(because of the EMB Logo placement).
Assessment: The ball in the box condition was great for the lanes I was using it on. It made a nice little break about mid-lane and continued to move into the pocket with ease. The results as long as it didn't come to high in the pocket were great(strikes). Although when it came to high it left those ungodly splits( 4-7-8 6-10 or something worse). So make sure you come in to thin rather than to high. Actually I wanted this ball for oily lanes so I scuffed it up lightly with a green Scotch-Brite. The result from a light scuffing was unbelievable it took off very early and didn't quit. I even slowed my ball down quite a bit to see what this baby can do. I was standing 26-28 and throwing about 10-12 and it came back every time with a very readable arc just like I wanted.
I will be writing this ball up again at the end of July or beginning of August because the lanes where I bowl will be replacing the wood lanes with synthetics ones. But I'm pretty optimistic that the EMB will move just as effectively on these new lanes as well.
About drilling this ball: I thought there was something very special about this ball in considering the drill pattern to be used. Well after writing e-mails here and there. I met our driller here and told him that people were having problems drilling this ball. Well after about a half-hour of figuring out what to do. We seen that just taking a normal drill pattern from an Enforcer and making sure the EMB was in the right spot according to the specification sheet enclosed and then punching it up there is absolutely no problem in drilling this ball. Granted there are maybe some exotic drillings out there that will not fit this ball, but there is also no big difference than drilling any other ball.
I want to thank Werner Prietz for his help in drilling the ball and Buddies Proshop for their help which I asked for when I asked for it (per E-Mail).
Way to go TRACK !! Keep it up,I'll be looking forward to your next release.
Post by: martin on June 30, 2001, 04:56:07 PM
Post by: bowler guy on September 30, 2001, 09:45:47 PM
First off, the EMB is NOT a hook every board of the lane kind of ball, but believe me it has plenty. There are already too many balls out there that just plain hook to much (yes there can be too much). This ball is just right for all but the most flooded conditions with my style. I dont see those conditions often so this ball works great for me. The EMB is also good even when the lanes get drier (such as 2nd shift).
I didnt like the box condition, so I sanded mine. This made the ball not only cover a couple more boards, but made its reaction extremely smooth. I never have to wonder what the EMB is going to do...it just makes a nice smooth arc to, and through the pocket. It carries the entire rack better than any other ball I have. It carries the corners great except if I miss my mark and tug it inside. The ball will usually sit right to the pocket but will ping tens, but that is my fault, not the EMBs. Most of my other equipment with a similar shot will jump through the nose leaving a horrendous split, so the EMBs smooth reaction is real bonus here. Anywho if you actually read this and agree or disagree with anything I said I hope you get off your butt and write a review of your own...it is a free country...STILL!!!
Post by: Scott Kinney on October 28, 2001, 05:54:03 AM
Lane condition: Heavy Oil to Med.Oil.
Bowling style: Tweener but can play straight up or a deep swing line.
Fast speed, medium revolutions.
Ball: Elliptical Mass Bias with 2 ¾“ Pin out, drilled 3 ½“ X 5“, EMB Logo 45° with 2 oz. of top weight. Leverage layout with semi-arc(because of the EMB Logo placement).
Assessment: I’ve altered the surface with Scotch-Brite and it seemed to do the job. The ball took off like expected hit the pocket hard and there was a 70% chance that one pin would be standing, mostly 10-pins but alot of 8’s as well. Tried changing the line, speed and release but nothing seemed to get rid of this. So I polished it up once more and all of a sudden the pins were flying again. But on heavy oil a straight up shot from 1 better be made on clean backends or it will never make it to the pocket. So I think I can safely say with the layout above, bowl with this one , after the lanes brake down or on medium oil.
Maybe with another layout and style this ball would move better on other conditions.
I think that I’d give this ball a 8.5-9.
Post by: grasshopper on November 25, 2001, 07:44:08 PM
Post by: TRACK HELL YEAH on December 27, 2001, 05:31:33 PM
I had this ball drilled Label with a 30 degree rotation. Whoa! this ball is so swee. I bowl up the boards and this ball just keeps hooking through the pins to clear the deck. 10 out of 10 TRACK4EVERPost by: Scott Kinney on January 23, 2002, 10:04:25 AM
EMB
Lanes: Synthetic, Oiled about 38-40 last 5 boards med.oil
Lane condition: Heavy Oil to Med.Oil.
Bowling style: Tweener but can play straight up or a deep swing line.
Fast speed, medium revolutions.
Ball: Elliptical Mass Bias with 2 ¾“ Pin out, redrilled 3 3/8†X 3 3/8“, EMB Logo on Grip center line with 2 oz. of top weight.
Assessment: After redrilling this ball, I started out bowling it exactly the same as before. This time the reaction was more aggressive obviously but also the carry was much better. First three games with it bowled a 695 with ease, BUT in heavy-oil with my release it was to squirty. Then I decided to give a 600-Grit finish that really worked but the coverstock didn’t seem to stay that way, after 10 games or so it was back to 800-100 grit.
Brenton Davy maybe right, with a drilling that rolls this ball immediately and continuously throughout the entire run of the ball would probably the best, because I’ve never seen this ball rollout.
For what it’s worth I’ll give this ball after two drillings and different surfaces a 8.5. It’s now polished and being used as my dry lane ball, because like I said it NEVER rolled out.
Scott Kinney
Post by: The great one on November 20, 2002, 01:17:24 PM
The pleasure has been yours.
The great one
Post by: A_P_K on July 03, 2003, 05:37:15 PM
I had it drilled label on the thoughts it would be a big hooker. It wasn't, but it was strong enough to play on any house condition. I shot my only 300 using this ball and I was playing 15 to 10. For me this ball worked well on all varieties of medium oil, and even with some carrydown too. The only time I needed to put this ball away was on drier or heavier patterns. I sold the ball to a friend who was in dire need of something better.
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