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930T, 715A, and 505C
« on: May 18, 2009, 10:42:28 AM »
http://www.talktenpin.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3583&Itemid=127

2 new cores still under wraps so far.  505C recycles the Shuttle core out of the Kinetic lineup.

 

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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2009, 02:47:26 PM »
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Wow it took 8 hours for someone to see the spare ball description. I am shocked but it is good to see that people are reading all the material. Just needed to see.


Seen it and didnt want to say anything. LOL.
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2009, 02:49:59 PM »
Sorry, a ball with the name Spare just seemed self explanatory.  Besides that, I already had seen one in person.

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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2009, 11:26:26 AM »
Blaine...

The Temper and Tantrum were go to balls for me and they never let me down.

The 505 impressed the heck out of me when we first saw it.  If the cover is receptive to change like our other pieces, this ball will be far better than the Temper and Tantrum.  I really expect this to be the big seller of the 3.  This kind of performance at it's price point is almost unheard of!
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2009, 01:40:19 PM »
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Wow it took 8 hours for someone to see the spare ball description. I am shocked but it is good to see that people are reading all the material. Just needed to see.


I thought someone was testing to see if you looked at the Website?
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2009, 04:10:26 PM »
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Blaine...

The Temper and Tantrum were go to balls for me and they never let me down.

The 505 impressed the heck out of me when we first saw it.  If the cover is receptive to change like our other pieces, this ball will be far better than the Temper and Tantrum.  I really expect this to be the big seller of the 3.  This kind of performance at it's price point is almost unheard of!
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Can you explain further?  The 505C "appears" to be the only one I can make use of.
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #36 on: May 27, 2009, 03:44:08 AM »
I don't see the names lasting very long. If it was that great of an idea Ebonite would have done in for all their new equipment.

Very similar to the Brunswick HPH, HPD, and HPC series from a few years ago.

Most people will still not be able to look at this and go 930T, Oh that must be the high line ball from Track. Plus can you imagine how messed up the story/description about what the name actually means will get?

I love the pre-ebonite Track, and kinda like some of the new Track stuff but this doesn't seem like a great idea.

Also doesn't help when the first thing that you think of when you see the logo is, Oh must be Elite bowlings new ball, I guess they replace the  R43, R47, P43, and RS48.

Maybe it will catch on.

If not the next ball should be the Heat Rising-SE
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2009, 05:12:37 AM »
just got mine up-rising im a bit behind ( i miss my powermachine and equation i know older stuff but really great balls interested to see how these things come out
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2009, 12:00:13 PM »
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Blaine...

The Temper and Tantrum were go to balls for me and they never let me down.

The 505 impressed the heck out of me when we first saw it.  If the cover is receptive to change like our other pieces, this ball will be far better than the Temper and Tantrum.  I really expect this to be the big seller of the 3.  This kind of performance at it's price point is almost unheard of!
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Can you explain further?  The 505C "appears" to be the only one I can make use of.
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Sure...which part of that would you like more of an explanation on?
Also just to clarify, I'm expecting the 505C to be a big seller locally.  We have had lots of success in the past moving both Equations, Tempers and Tantrums.  Mid-price gear will sell in this area when people know it will perform.  Believe me folks, this ball will out perform anything in it's class.
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2009, 03:10:50 PM »
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Blaine...

The Temper and Tantrum were go to balls for me and they never let me down.

The 505 impressed the heck out of me when we first saw it.  If the cover is receptive to change like our other pieces, this ball will be far better than the Temper and Tantrum.  I really expect this to be the big seller of the 3.  This kind of performance at it's price point is almost unheard of!
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Can you explain further?  The 505C "appears" to be the only one I can make use of.
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Sure...which part of that would you like more of an explanation on?
Also just to clarify, I'm expecting the 505C to be a big seller locally.  We have had lots of success in the past moving both Equations, Tempers and Tantrums.  Mid-price gear will sell in this area when people know it will perform.  Believe me folks, this ball will out perform anything in it's class.
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I guess to start on how the ball will be better than the Temper and Tantrum.  Is it better in terms of a touch more strength, touch less strength?  Will the 505 be a true mid-perfomance ball, or will it be yet another Upper performance piece at the mid peformance price(ala what I saw in the temper and tantrum)?
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2009, 12:24:27 AM »
Thats interesting to know. The synergys were great. Still have two left to drill.

To me the look and color of the first rising reminded me of the Critical Mass and the Rising-SE like something from the Triton or Heat series.

I guess they are going far away from that as possible.
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2009, 03:51:46 PM »
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In the 900 Global forum I asked Phil Cardinale how they arrive at ball names. It goes against what Track is doing with the numerical names:


"We look for themes if we are planning a full line extension. Hopefully we can catch a hot name that is catchy and sticks. Like years ago we had the Synergy, the Heat and the Code Red. They didn't need to have extensions.
The Break has legs and is still going strong and many extensions since the core shape has given us a wide range of options and our covers realy match up great with the design.
Colors are tricky since as you know from grade school ( those that graduated grade school) when mixing primary colors you do get secondary and many times the secondary color does not go well with the 2 primary colors.
One advantage we have is our process can really seperate colors during the pours so we can keep the pirmary colors seperate and have great looking product. The Break Pearl was a real beauty thanks to your secret process.
Since our game has value in the scoring like 300, 800, 900, and good scores like 700's it hard to use the numbering system like a car a manufacture can ( Mercedes or BMW) because numbers in the 300's, 400's 500's denote low scores and less appeal to a player. If we could that would be easy. Our next ball is the 200 series, followed by the 300 series. Unfortunately no one would buy them until they reached the award score status of the 700's, 800's 900's. And they can use single colors for the cars. Maybe we can become a can manufacturer and if things go bad get bailed out. What a concept."


Funny Phil brings up the Track stuff he was involved with. Good luck with the numerical names. They, according to Phil, will have to mean something.



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I understand what Phil is saying. But I like the idea of easily knowing what line the ball has a home in ie. 500 series, 700 series etc. vs. trying to remember the premier, fire, etc line ups like Storm's (just as an example). It will be interesting to see which view is correct. And probably only sales will be able to let us know that.
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2009, 08:26:29 PM »
Another easier option is to mention it on the ball somewhere HI, MID-HI, and MID to cover their different lines. Call any ball anything you want and have on their just like the USBC logo HI or H, MID-HI or MH and MID or M.

The MB number doesn't mean much when it changes upon drilling. Plus most of your bowlers don't have a great concept or know what an MB is.

Something off subject that I did really like was when Ebonite put the core designs on the ball. Then later when Track and Columbia did it as well and now with Morich.

Track will still sale bowling balls but it will get tricky if they get an extensive product line like Ebonite where you have maybe two to four balls in a series. Which is why they probably tried it with Track. Since they have the smallest product line behind Ebonite and Columbia.

A least with names it can be easier to keep up with like Wave, Tidal Wave, Tidal Wave Wipeout and ect.
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2009, 12:22:31 AM »
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Blaine...

The Temper and Tantrum were go to balls for me and they never let me down.

The 505 impressed the heck out of me when we first saw it.  If the cover is receptive to change like our other pieces, this ball will be far better than the Temper and Tantrum.  I really expect this to be the big seller of the 3.  This kind of performance at it's price point is almost unheard of!
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Can you explain further?  The 505C "appears" to be the only one I can make use of.
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Sure...which part of that would you like more of an explanation on?
Also just to clarify, I'm expecting the 505C to be a big seller locally.  We have had lots of success in the past moving both Equations, Tempers and Tantrums.  Mid-price gear will sell in this area when people know it will perform.  Believe me folks, this ball will out perform anything in it's class.
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Brian Krantz
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GM of Blue Ball Lanes - Blue Ball, PA


I guess to start on how the ball will be better than the Temper and Tantrum.  Is it better in terms of a touch more strength, touch less strength?  Will the 505 be a true mid-perfomance ball, or will it be yet another Upper performance piece at the mid peformance price(ala what I saw in the temper and tantrum)?
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I think overall it's going to offer a different look in that line.  You're going to have the same great continuation of the Temper and Tantrum with a bit more length.  Overall reaction shape from what I saw was not as angular as the Tantrum.  It will be a little "smoother" in a sense.  

It should be a nice piece for those who like to play a little closer to the cactus and tumbleweed section of the lane.  I have to agree with you that this along with the Temper and Tantrum have surely offered Upper Performance at the mid line price.
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2009, 12:57:21 AM »
Wow!!!!.....How long have you been holding on to them??

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Thats interesting to know. The synergys were great. Still have two left to drill.



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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #45 on: May 29, 2009, 02:22:49 AM »
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I think overall it's going to offer a different look in that line.  You're going to have the same great continuation of the Temper and Tantrum with a bit more length.  Overall reaction shape from what I saw was not as angular as the Tantrum.  It will be a little "smoother" in a sense.  

It should be a nice piece for those who like to play a little closer to the cactus and tumbleweed section of the lane.  I have to agree with you that this along with the Temper and Tantrum have surely offered Upper Performance at the mid line price.
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That's great to hear a true mid performance piece.  I mean sure, I can take a upper/hi performance ball and put some odd neg layout on it in order to use it on lighter or shorter patterns, but I honestly don't get the point of that.  Just make a damn lower performance ball.  Looking forward to getting a hold of it next month.
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