Post by: J_Mac on May 18, 2009, 10:42:28 AM
2 new cores still under wraps so far. 505C recycles the Shuttle core out of the Kinetic lineup.
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Post by: pegleg42090 on May 18, 2009, 07:29:49 PM
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Those are the names. That's going to be track's new naming system.
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Post by: JS on May 18, 2009, 08:25:02 PM
the 5 7 9 series are the numbers that will be used to tell what line the ball is in.
5 Series is the Mid performance line
7 Series is the Upper - Mid performance line
9 Series is the High performance line
each series will have its number in the name. Then you will have a number that tells you the core strength of ball in the line. Finnally in the name you will have one of three letters that will tell you what kind of cover the ball has. The letters will be C = control, A = Angular, T = Traction. Each letter tells you something. C tells you the ball will be smoother overall and is a good benchmark type ball. A tells you the ball will get down lane and be ideal skid flip. T tells you the ball has a cover made for oil. So with these lets create a fake ball to give you an example. We will use the 7 series for this.
The name of the ball we will use will be 724T.
What you can take from this name is the following.
1. It is a 7 series ball
2. The core strength (MASS BIAS STRENGTH) is .024
2a. Each series has a set number that the core strength will be in. For example the 5 series will have mb rating from .0000-.009. The 7s will be .010-.024, and the 9s will be .025 and higher.
3. The type of cover on this ball is ment for oil.
Post by: SleepOnIce on May 18, 2009, 09:26:53 PM
Will probably pick up the 930T.
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on May 18, 2009, 10:48:48 PM
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Those are the names. That's going to be track's new naming system.
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on May 18, 2009, 10:52:29 PM
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Just saw this from Scoot on the Track forum. Second 2 numbers in the name signify MB strength....here's a cut and paste:
the 5 7 9 series are the numbers that will be used to tell what line the ball is in.
5 Series is the Mid performance line
7 Series is the Upper - Mid performance line
9 Series is the High performance line
each series will have its number in the name. Then you will have a number that tells you the core strength of ball in the line. Finally in the name you will have one of three letters that will tell you what kind of cover the ball has. The letters will be C = control, A = Angular, T = Traction. Each letter tells you something. C tells you the ball will be smoother overall and is a good benchmark type ball. A tells you the ball will get down lane and be ideal skid flip. T tells you the ball has a cover made for oil. So with these lets create a fake ball to give you an example. We will use the 7 series for this.
The name of the ball we will use will be 724T.
What you can take from this name is the following.
1. It is a 7 series ball
2. The core strength (MASS BIAS STRENGTH) is .024
2a. Each series has a set number that the core strength will be in. For example the 5 series will have mb rating from .0000-.009. The 7s will be .010-.024, and the 9s will be .025 and higher.
3. The type of cover on this ball is meant for oil.
Yes this is how you can sell these balls. Think about how some people would say o why is this ball cheaper then this ball over here. Then they point to say a anger and then a hot sauce. Well with the naming system you can look at it as if it was a car. You don't walk into a BMW dealer and have to ask why is the 3 series cheaper then the 7. You know why it is, one the added built in extras on the car are in greater amounts and details. Then the motor alone is alot stronger in the 7 then the 3. The names of these balls do the same thing. You don't have to try and point out with photos of the cores or names of the covers to try and help the bowler understand the price difference. It is all in the name.
To help understand this more lets use two balls from last year and turn there names from last year into the new name system so we can have and example. We will use the 505A (Tantrum) and the 932A (Up-Rising). Lets say the customer came in and said what track ball do you recommend for a skid flip reaction (You are out of Kinetics) that I can get today.
You can say well right now I have two balls the 505A and the 932A.
He may then say ok what is the difference between them, and why is there the price difference. (He asks this because he is not familiar with the name idea)
You can then say, The differences are these. This ball here has a Performance rating of 5 and this one is 9. The higher the number the more overall performance you can get. He may then say, ok then what els can you tell me. You can then say ok well this second number tells you how dynamic the core is. This one has a dynamic rating of 03 while this one has one of 32. Once again the higher the number the more dynamic. He may then say ok so what does this letter mean. You then say it tells you what kind of reaction it is to give. A mean just what you asked for length and alot of flip on the backend. This is why I point out these to. You said you wanted length and alot of flip and thats what this A means. You just gave the man all the info he needs on why these balls were recommend from the brand, and then also a idea of how much performance he can expect from them. He now knows the 503A can do what he want, get down lane and flip but the 932A can also do this but on a greater performance level. This then can help you sell the right ball for the right guy. I know we all have had the guys who come in who say they want this reaction and pick the High price ball but they stand 15 and drop the ball over 10 all night. Then come the middle of game to and all of game three their balls starts to roll out. Well that because the high price ball is now to strong for the lane condition. By having the series number you can step in and say that the 5 series model for length and flip will play longer on the lanes because its overall performance strength doesn't call for as much oil as the 9. You can then say, the 9 will do the job, however when the night goes on you may have to move outside your comfort zone or switch balls because the lanes will call for something to get through the dry a little better. This is when you point out that the lower series ball because of its less over all performance rating can get him more time on the lane maybe even the entire nite unless things get real nasty out there.
The same things can be done for if the guy is a guy who plays deep to start the night and gets further left as the night goes on, you would just switch out the balls. He might need the 9 series over the 5 to help him get the extra help for recovery down lane as he tries to play through the other lines and extra help if he hits carry down.
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Post by: J_Mac on May 18, 2009, 10:53:05 PM
quote:quote:
Those are the names. That's going to be track's new naming system.
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What's not to like? I think it's an interesting idea to use a name that tells you what to expect from the piece.
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on May 19, 2009, 01:34:14 AM
quote:quote:quote:
Those are the names. That's going to be track's new naming system.
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... Guess it's too late to rethink that one.
What's not to like? I think it's an interesting idea to use a name that tells you what to expect from the piece.
I suppose. I guess we'll just have to see what happens when they release. I for one am not that fond at all of the "names" when I can see them on the spec sheet. Ironic enough, it can be seen as a lack of creativity to not give them names, but yet creative to give them numbers. It's all in how a person sees it.
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on May 19, 2009, 09:54:26 AM
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Didnt Global start this with their cover ratings 2 years ago? I think they still use it and couple it with a name. Best of both worlds......This is a cool idea but i know my customers still like names.....Naming the ball a number can get boring after awhile. What are they going to do when they run out of MB to hit? 930.1 version 10x? Sounds like an ebonite coverstock hahahahahaa
900 didnt start this on there balls. They only listed the rating they gave there covers in terms of strength. They still named there bowling balls with some name. You also wont have a problem with running out of a MB to hit. Each series will have a range of MB strengths it can have. These ranges could also change in time due to the natual change in what MB strength can be considered HP numbers. Look at the 715A back in say 2003 a MB rating of .015 for some companys was still a rather high MB rating. Now adays it is considered on the lower side of medium for strength.
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Post by: dizzyfugu on May 19, 2009, 09:58:07 AM
Even though I can understand the system, I doubt that it has customer appeal -at least as balls' names?
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Post by: oprahsdouche on May 19, 2009, 10:13:15 AM
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If the ball rolls nice and people strike alot with it who cares what the name is. Track is not marketing to the Rock-N-Bowl market. This is a ball company for serious bowlers. Serious bowlers care about performance and color. No matter what anyone says, color is a factor.
I agree. Track has always been a techy brand. When Track was in its hayday they had techy nerdy bowlers as well as bowlers looking for a good ball. Problem is now they are alienating more and more bowlers. Think about it if a guy walks in and has no clue about this naming system they are not going to make a new customer. Serious techy bowlers are shrinking, and just because this is a serious bowler company doesnt mean they are brand loyal due to a number naming system. I have always had a soft spot for track, i just dont know how this is going to increase brand awareness...Yes it will make them different but when your chasing sometimes its better to blend in before you try to divert. this could be a huge gamble.
Post by: dw23 on May 19, 2009, 10:44:20 AM
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If the ball rolls nice and people strike alot with it who cares what the name is. Track is not marketing to the Rock-N-Bowl market. This is a ball company for serious bowlers. Serious bowlers care about performance and color. No matter what anyone says, color is a factor.
I agree. Track has always been a techy brand. When Track was in its hayday they had techy nerdy bowlers as well as bowlers looking for a good ball. Problem is now they are alienating more and more bowlers. Think about it if a guy walks in and has no clue about this naming system they are not going to make a new customer. Serious techy bowlers are shrinking, and just because this is a serious bowler company doesnt mean they are brand loyal due to a number naming system. I have always had a soft spot for track, i just dont know how this is going to increase brand awareness...Yes it will make them different but when your chasing sometimes its better to blend in before you try to divert. this could be a huge gamble.
I don't think Track is trying to be like anyone else or as big as Ebonite. They have a small focus. If they catch the hot ball or ball line at the moment (i.e. The Cell) then great. I think if they wanted to be Ebonite or Storm they would have a full line of equipment, even low end.
When non-serious bowlers walk into my pro shop the first thing the do is look at colors and then ask what does this ball do. Even if the shelf talker is not under it. I have never had one league bowler say to me I don't like the name.
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Post by: VideoBallReviews on May 19, 2009, 07:09:44 PM
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they weren't kidding when they called the 9 series core the Lego, well it definitly looks like a Lego, kinda weird, but if it works, I will buy one.
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Post by: wasted talent on May 20, 2009, 12:20:34 AM
Does your contract with Storm read that you must not only promote Storm/Roto Grip but bash all of the other brands that once gave you free equipment as well? Did you have to sharpen the knife they gave you to cut your own throat or did it come pre-sharpened? I wonder if Storm will renew your contract next year when they realize how little they are getting for their money.
Post by: VideoBallReviews on May 20, 2009, 05:08:25 AM
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Britton,
Does your contract with Storm read that you must not only promote Storm/Roto Grip but bash all of the other brands that once gave you free equipment as well? Did you have to sharpen the knife they gave you to cut your own throat or did it come pre-sharpened? I wonder if Storm will renew your contract next year when they realize how little they are getting for their money.
Wow...i make one general statement about one ball company and this is what i get? Give me a break...
Also - I'd love to see where im bashing these other brands...
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on May 20, 2009, 08:01:23 AM
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aside from the 930's comparable reaction to the uprising since they have similar rg & diff #'s, I'm awaiting to see how the reactions of the 505 compares to the tantrum( execellent ball) although they definitely picked another odd color scheme.
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The 505C out performs the Temper and tantrum. The color scheme is also very similar to the old track Xception. The 505C for me reminds me alot of the Kinetic Energy with alot more finish at the breakpoint. I feel that this ball is so great it is the kind of ball everyone could find a spot for in their bag.
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Post by: MaidenheadBandit on May 20, 2009, 08:15:43 AM
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Did you see on tracks website the description of the spare ball
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Post by: Billy Ray on May 20, 2009, 11:51:38 AM
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Those are the names. That's going to be track's new naming system.
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What's not to like? I think it's an interesting idea to use a name that tells you what to expect from the piece.
I suppose. I guess we'll just have to see what happens when they release. I for one am not that fond at all of the "names" when I can see them on the spec sheet. Ironic enough, it can be seen as a lack of creativity to not give them names, but yet creative to give them numbers. It's all in how a person sees it.
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It's already got people talking about them. And only a few of us have seen them and thrown them. So the marketing is working already.
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Post by: FIG on May 20, 2009, 02:02:38 PM
Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on May 20, 2009, 02:47:26 PM
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Wow it took 8 hours for someone to see the spare ball description. I am shocked but it is good to see that people are reading all the material. Just needed to see.
Seen it and didnt want to say anything. LOL.
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Post by: J_Mac on May 20, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
Post by: Chief BK on May 21, 2009, 11:26:26 AM
The Temper and Tantrum were go to balls for me and they never let me down.
The 505 impressed the heck out of me when we first saw it. If the cover is receptive to change like our other pieces, this ball will be far better than the Temper and Tantrum. I really expect this to be the big seller of the 3. This kind of performance at it's price point is almost unheard of!
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Post by: Billy Ray on May 23, 2009, 01:40:19 PM
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Wow it took 8 hours for someone to see the spare ball description. I am shocked but it is good to see that people are reading all the material. Just needed to see.
I thought someone was testing to see if you looked at the Website?
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on May 23, 2009, 04:10:26 PM
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Blaine...
The Temper and Tantrum were go to balls for me and they never let me down.
The 505 impressed the heck out of me when we first saw it. If the cover is receptive to change like our other pieces, this ball will be far better than the Temper and Tantrum. I really expect this to be the big seller of the 3. This kind of performance at it's price point is almost unheard of!
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Can you explain further? The 505C "appears" to be the only one I can make use of.
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Post by: kidlost2000 on May 27, 2009, 03:44:08 AM
Very similar to the Brunswick HPH, HPD, and HPC series from a few years ago.
Most people will still not be able to look at this and go 930T, Oh that must be the high line ball from Track. Plus can you imagine how messed up the story/description about what the name actually means will get?
I love the pre-ebonite Track, and kinda like some of the new Track stuff but this doesn't seem like a great idea.
Also doesn't help when the first thing that you think of when you see the logo is, Oh must be Elite bowlings new ball, I guess they replace the R43, R47, P43, and RS48.
Maybe it will catch on.
If not the next ball should be the Heat Rising-SE
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Post by: Chief BK on May 27, 2009, 12:00:13 PM
quote:quote:
Blaine...
The Temper and Tantrum were go to balls for me and they never let me down.
The 505 impressed the heck out of me when we first saw it. If the cover is receptive to change like our other pieces, this ball will be far better than the Temper and Tantrum. I really expect this to be the big seller of the 3. This kind of performance at it's price point is almost unheard of!
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Can you explain further? The 505C "appears" to be the only one I can make use of.
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Sure...which part of that would you like more of an explanation on?
Also just to clarify, I'm expecting the 505C to be a big seller locally. We have had lots of success in the past moving both Equations, Tempers and Tantrums. Mid-price gear will sell in this area when people know it will perform. Believe me folks, this ball will out perform anything in it's class.
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on May 27, 2009, 03:10:50 PM
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Blaine...
The Temper and Tantrum were go to balls for me and they never let me down.
The 505 impressed the heck out of me when we first saw it. If the cover is receptive to change like our other pieces, this ball will be far better than the Temper and Tantrum. I really expect this to be the big seller of the 3. This kind of performance at it's price point is almost unheard of!
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Can you explain further? The 505C "appears" to be the only one I can make use of.
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Sure...which part of that would you like more of an explanation on?
Also just to clarify, I'm expecting the 505C to be a big seller locally. We have had lots of success in the past moving both Equations, Tempers and Tantrums. Mid-price gear will sell in this area when people know it will perform. Believe me folks, this ball will out perform anything in it's class.
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I guess to start on how the ball will be better than the Temper and Tantrum. Is it better in terms of a touch more strength, touch less strength? Will the 505 be a true mid-perfomance ball, or will it be yet another Upper performance piece at the mid peformance price(ala what I saw in the temper and tantrum)?
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Post by: kidlost2000 on May 28, 2009, 12:24:27 AM
To me the look and color of the first rising reminded me of the Critical Mass and the Rising-SE like something from the Triton or Heat series.
I guess they are going far away from that as possible.
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Post by: MC on May 28, 2009, 03:51:46 PM
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In the 900 Global forum I asked Phil Cardinale how they arrive at ball names. It goes against what Track is doing with the numerical names:
"We look for themes if we are planning a full line extension. Hopefully we can catch a hot name that is catchy and sticks. Like years ago we had the Synergy, the Heat and the Code Red. They didn't need to have extensions.
The Break has legs and is still going strong and many extensions since the core shape has given us a wide range of options and our covers realy match up great with the design.
Colors are tricky since as you know from grade school ( those that graduated grade school) when mixing primary colors you do get secondary and many times the secondary color does not go well with the 2 primary colors.
One advantage we have is our process can really seperate colors during the pours so we can keep the pirmary colors seperate and have great looking product. The Break Pearl was a real beauty thanks to your secret process.
Since our game has value in the scoring like 300, 800, 900, and good scores like 700's it hard to use the numbering system like a car a manufacture can ( Mercedes or BMW) because numbers in the 300's, 400's 500's denote low scores and less appeal to a player. If we could that would be easy. Our next ball is the 200 series, followed by the 300 series. Unfortunately no one would buy them until they reached the award score status of the 700's, 800's 900's. And they can use single colors for the cars. Maybe we can become a can manufacturer and if things go bad get bailed out. What a concept."
Funny Phil brings up the Track stuff he was involved with. Good luck with the numerical names. They, according to Phil, will have to mean something.
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I understand what Phil is saying. But I like the idea of easily knowing what line the ball has a home in ie. 500 series, 700 series etc. vs. trying to remember the premier, fire, etc line ups like Storm's (just as an example). It will be interesting to see which view is correct. And probably only sales will be able to let us know that.
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Post by: kidlost2000 on May 28, 2009, 08:26:29 PM
The MB number doesn't mean much when it changes upon drilling. Plus most of your bowlers don't have a great concept or know what an MB is.
Something off subject that I did really like was when Ebonite put the core designs on the ball. Then later when Track and Columbia did it as well and now with Morich.
Track will still sale bowling balls but it will get tricky if they get an extensive product line like Ebonite where you have maybe two to four balls in a series. Which is why they probably tried it with Track. Since they have the smallest product line behind Ebonite and Columbia.
A least with names it can be easier to keep up with like Wave, Tidal Wave, Tidal Wave Wipeout and ect.
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Post by: Chief BK on May 29, 2009, 12:22:31 AM
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Blaine...
The Temper and Tantrum were go to balls for me and they never let me down.
The 505 impressed the heck out of me when we first saw it. If the cover is receptive to change like our other pieces, this ball will be far better than the Temper and Tantrum. I really expect this to be the big seller of the 3. This kind of performance at it's price point is almost unheard of!
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Track Staff Member
GM of Blue Ball Lanes - Blue Ball, PA
Can you explain further? The 505C "appears" to be the only one I can make use of.
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http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v690/Phoenix_RsX
Sure...which part of that would you like more of an explanation on?
Also just to clarify, I'm expecting the 505C to be a big seller locally. We have had lots of success in the past moving both Equations, Tempers and Tantrums. Mid-price gear will sell in this area when people know it will perform. Believe me folks, this ball will out perform anything in it's class.
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Brian Krantz
Track Staff Member
GM of Blue Ball Lanes - Blue Ball, PA
I guess to start on how the ball will be better than the Temper and Tantrum. Is it better in terms of a touch more strength, touch less strength? Will the 505 be a true mid-perfomance ball, or will it be yet another Upper performance piece at the mid peformance price(ala what I saw in the temper and tantrum)?
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Hope this is not Chris' blood....
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v690/Phoenix_RsX
I think overall it's going to offer a different look in that line. You're going to have the same great continuation of the Temper and Tantrum with a bit more length. Overall reaction shape from what I saw was not as angular as the Tantrum. It will be a little "smoother" in a sense.
It should be a nice piece for those who like to play a little closer to the cactus and tumbleweed section of the lane. I have to agree with you that this along with the Temper and Tantrum have surely offered Upper Performance at the mid line price.
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Brian Krantz
Track Staff Member
GM of Blue Ball Lanes - Blue Ball, PA
Post by: golfnutFL on May 29, 2009, 12:57:21 AM
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Thats interesting to know. The synergys were great. Still have two left to drill.
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on May 29, 2009, 02:22:49 AM
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I think overall it's going to offer a different look in that line. You're going to have the same great continuation of the Temper and Tantrum with a bit more length. Overall reaction shape from what I saw was not as angular as the Tantrum. It will be a little "smoother" in a sense.
It should be a nice piece for those who like to play a little closer to the cactus and tumbleweed section of the lane. I have to agree with you that this along with the Temper and Tantrum have surely offered Upper Performance at the mid line price.
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Brian Krantz
Track Staff Member
GM of Blue Ball Lanes - Blue Ball, PA
That's great to hear a true mid performance piece. I mean sure, I can take a upper/hi performance ball and put some odd neg layout on it in order to use it on lighter or shorter patterns, but I honestly don't get the point of that. Just make a damn lower performance ball. Looking forward to getting a hold of it next month.
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Hope this is not Chris' blood....
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v690/Phoenix_RsX
Post by: kidlost2000 on May 29, 2009, 02:34:58 AM
Two years ago I got an undrilled RH double helix, then 6 months later an original sapphire zone.(both 15) Just sold the sapphire about a month ago for $305 on ebay. For that kind of money I would rather sell it then drill it. lol
I still have undrilled an inertia, machine, 2-equations, and just sold a shear havoc and a triple threat.
I love the older Track stuff and can't wait to drill some before league starts back.
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" hand, don't step on the lanes without some "
Post by: bulldogg on May 29, 2009, 09:38:28 PM
If ya think bout sellin the Pearl Synergy or a Eq. let me know. I shot my 300 & won a local tv tourney (kwch ch12 goldpin challenge)with the Synergy...Man I love that ball!!!!
Post by: kidlost2000 on May 29, 2009, 10:07:34 PM
I also forgot to mention for Track stuff a 15lb Purple Solution. I have two and will sell the one of them.
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" hand, don't step on the lanes without some "
Edited on 5/29/2009 10:08 PM
Post by: jls on June 04, 2009, 01:59:47 PM
By using numbers instead of names, it might help the consumer to forget about balls named, Rising, Uprising, and Rising SE....
And that would be a good thing.................
Oh please, don't start....
They may have been the poorest selling line ever in Track History.....
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jls
Post by: kidlost2000 on June 04, 2009, 04:00:45 PM
I think The Rising SE was the most Track looking ball they have released so far. Everything else you can leave the label off of it and fit it in somewhere for Ebonite or Hammer.
Not much new Track being sold where I live. The pro shop doesn't stock it. Where as before it had a pretty good selection.
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" hand, don't step on the lanes without some "
Edited on 6/10/2009 8:09 PM
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on June 05, 2009, 11:14:12 PM
In a bit of idle banter, I asked him(stroker/tweener style) if the 505 is truly mid-low end. "As low end as Track makes" is what he said to me. He also told me that the 5 series is to replace the Temper/Tantrum series, which I know is not mid-low end. Combined with the shuttle core it's likely going to be yet another upper performance ball and a mid-low end price.
I then began to think about how my Kinetic Pearl reacted on the pattern. Even with the neg MB layout, it still turned hard as did my Kinetic Energy. So, now I'm not even sure if I'll be picking up the 505-the jury will have to deliberate longer. In person, the ball looks magnificent!
In other news, I think this regional is going to be grind. From my experience(albeit very little), it seems the Chameleon is the most demanding in terms of accuracy. One board left and it flies, one board right and it's not coming back. Maybe that what the problem was I saw when he was throwing the 930.
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Hope this is not Chris' blood....
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v690/Phoenix_RsX
Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on June 07, 2009, 12:24:49 AM
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I actually got to see the the 930 and 505 in regional practice(Chameleon)today. I must say I'm impressed with the 505. It goes very long and makes a good move to the pocket without "burning rubber". The 930 on the other hand did not impress me in the slightest bit. It went long, and just kept going. I don't know if that layout doesn't agree with the pattern or what.
In a bit of idle banter, I asked him(stroker/tweener style) if the 505 is truly mid-low end. "As low end as Track makes" is what he said to me. He also told me that the 5 series is to replace the Temper/Tantrum series, which I know is not mid-low end. Combined with the shuttle core it's likely going to be yet another upper performance ball and a mid-low end price.
I then began to think about how my Kinetic Pearl reacted on the pattern. Even with the neg MB layout, it still turned hard as did my Kinetic Energy. So, now I'm not even sure if I'll be picking up the 505-the jury will have to deliberate longer. In person, the ball looks magnificent!
In other news, I think this regional is going to be grind. From my experience(albeit very little), it seems the Chameleon is the most demanding in terms of accuracy. One board left and it flies, one board right and it's not coming back. Maybe that what the problem was I saw when he was throwing the 930.
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Hope this is not Chris' blood....
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v690/Phoenix_RsX
The MB on balls like the KP and KE is to weak for the MB left of the thumb or negative, to make much of a difference. Also on stronger stuff placing it there can give you 1 of two reactions. It can give you alot of extra length with a hard turn to the pocket or it can make a ball react real controled on the lanes. The best layout I have seen to even out the balls is to take ball and lay it out pin 1" from VAL, 1" from PAP, and everything els kicked past the VAL with a weight hole to return it to static legal weights. This really evens out the balls and tames them down on the backend alot.
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Mark "scoot" Trgovac
C-G Pro Shop
Youngstown, Ohio
Track Live Chat Tech Support
Track HITMAN.
Tag Team Coaching Success Story.
http://www.c-gproshop.com/
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on June 09, 2009, 01:30:22 AM
quote:quote:
I actually got to see the the 930 and 505 in regional practice(Chameleon)today. I must say I'm impressed with the 505. It goes very long and makes a good move to the pocket without "burning rubber". The 930 on the other hand did not impress me in the slightest bit. It went long, and just kept going. I don't know if that layout doesn't agree with the pattern or what.
In a bit of idle banter, I asked him(stroker/tweener style) if the 505 is truly mid-low end. "As low end as Track makes" is what he said to me. He also told me that the 5 series is to replace the Temper/Tantrum series, which I know is not mid-low end. Combined with the shuttle core it's likely going to be yet another upper performance ball and a mid-low end price.
I then began to think about how my Kinetic Pearl reacted on the pattern. Even with the neg MB layout, it still turned hard as did my Kinetic Energy. So, now I'm not even sure if I'll be picking up the 505-the jury will have to deliberate longer. In person, the ball looks magnificent!
In other news, I think this regional is going to be grind. From my experience(albeit very little), it seems the Chameleon is the most demanding in terms of accuracy. One board left and it flies, one board right and it's not coming back. Maybe that what the problem was I saw when he was throwing the 930.
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Hope this is not Chris' blood....
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v690/Phoenix_RsX
The MB on balls like the KP and KE is to weak for the MB left of the thumb or negative, to make much of a difference. Also on stronger stuff placing it there can give you 1 of two reactions. It can give you alot of extra length with a hard turn to the pocket or it can make a ball react real controled on the lanes. The best layout I have seen to even out the balls is to take ball and lay it out pin 1" from VAL, 1" from PAP, and everything els kicked past the VAL with a weight hole to return it to static legal weights. This really evens out the balls and tames them down on the backend alot.
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Mark "scoot" Trgovac
C-G Pro Shop
Youngstown, Ohio
Track Live Chat Tech Support
Track HITMAN.
Tag Team Coaching Success Story.
http://www.c-gproshop.com/
This may be worth a try.
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Hope this is not Chris' blood....
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v690/Phoenix_RsX
Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on June 10, 2009, 12:07:10 AM
quote:quote:quote:
I actually got to see the the 930 and 505 in regional practice(Chameleon)today. I must say I'm impressed with the 505. It goes very long and makes a good move to the pocket without "burning rubber". The 930 on the other hand did not impress me in the slightest bit. It went long, and just kept going. I don't know if that layout doesn't agree with the pattern or what.
In a bit of idle banter, I asked him(stroker/tweener style) if the 505 is truly mid-low end. "As low end as Track makes" is what he said to me. He also told me that the 5 series is to replace the Temper/Tantrum series, which I know is not mid-low end. Combined with the shuttle core it's likely going to be yet another upper performance ball and a mid-low end price.
I then began to think about how my Kinetic Pearl reacted on the pattern. Even with the neg MB layout, it still turned hard as did my Kinetic Energy. So, now I'm not even sure if I'll be picking up the 505-the jury will have to deliberate longer. In person, the ball looks magnificent!
In other news, I think this regional is going to be grind. From my experience(albeit very little), it seems the Chameleon is the most demanding in terms of accuracy. One board left and it flies, one board right and it's not coming back. Maybe that what the problem was I saw when he was throwing the 930.
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Hope this is not Chris' blood....
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v690/Phoenix_RsX
The MB on balls like the KP and KE is to weak for the MB left of the thumb or negative, to make much of a difference. Also on stronger stuff placing it there can give you 1 of two reactions. It can give you alot of extra length with a hard turn to the pocket or it can make a ball react real controled on the lanes. The best layout I have seen to even out the balls is to take ball and lay it out pin 1" from VAL, 1" from PAP, and everything els kicked past the VAL with a weight hole to return it to static legal weights. This really evens out the balls and tames them down on the backend alot.
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Mark "scoot" Trgovac
C-G Pro Shop
Youngstown, Ohio
Track Live Chat Tech Support
Track HITMAN.
Tag Team Coaching Success Story.
http://www.c-gproshop.com/
This may be worth a try.
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Hope this is not Chris' blood....
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v690/Phoenix_RsX
X, I have done this with a tantrum and a 505. The layout really evens them out. I can take them straight up the boards without having to change my normal release. If you really want to give this layout a try I will give you the layout numbers I used. Just PM me if you want them.
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Mark "scoot" Trgovac
C-G Pro Shop
Youngstown, Ohio
Track Live Chat Tech Support
Track HITMAN.
Tag Team Coaching Success Story.
http://www.c-gproshop.com/
Edited on 6/10/2009 0:07 AM
Post by: tenpinspro on June 10, 2009, 05:35:06 AM
This may work based on your pap, you have some room to play with. You can even push some pieces to past pap (dependent on varying strengths of the mb on asyms and positioning) as the track will pull back towards your thumb without clipping it with your inverted track. Hope this helps some...
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Rick Leong - Ten Pins Pro Shop
Tag Team Coaching - Co-Founder
"El" Presidente of the Legion
Edited on 6/10/2009 5:36 AM
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on June 10, 2009, 05:51:52 PM
I like the 505, as well as the boom, onyx vibe and razyr.
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Hope this is not Chris' blood....
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v690/Phoenix_RsX