Post by: tenpinspro on February 20, 2007, 06:25:13 AM
When I joined the Track forum 4 yrs ago, we were 5th in popularity in BR. With the help of Carl, Anthony Chapman (achappy), George Frilingos, Clint Daley and many others. We've boosted Track to 2nd, I think that says a lot for the work we've done here in customer support and satisfaction. I feel we could do the same in any respective forum if given the chance.
1.Brunswick
2.Ebonite/Hammer/Col/Track/Dynothane
3.Lanemasters
4.MoRich
5.Storm/Roto
6.Visionary
7.Other...
Thanks for your time....
On edit: I told Carl that this would be the 1st time we don't have to wear a Track shirt and I have a few Storm/Roto balls I stashed that I liked the reaction of to use in league tonite. Just a weird feeling, that's all...
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Post by: a_ak57 on February 20, 2007, 02:32:14 PM
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Post by: Hogsharley on February 20, 2007, 02:34:34 PM
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3 holes of fun!!
Post by: directdrill on February 20, 2007, 02:34:51 PM
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Hook 'em Horns!
Post by: splendorlex on February 20, 2007, 02:35:33 PM
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Mr. Lebowski, this is Bill Salnicker with the Southern Cal Bowling League, and I just got a, an informal report, that a member of your team, uh, Walter Sobchak, drew a firearm during league play. If this is true of course, it contravenes a number of the league's by-laws, and article 27 of the league...
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Post by: Rev_O on February 20, 2007, 02:41:01 PM
I'd say check out Storm, and then Brunswick/Morich. I think these by far are the most popular and versatile companies at the moment. I ordered a couple Storm balls friday that should be here tomorrow!!
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Post by: FastTracker33 on February 20, 2007, 02:41:04 PM
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"Track...you Just can't Beat That!"
Post by: fins4ever88 on February 20, 2007, 02:46:57 PM
With that being said, if I had the opportunity (really the money, since you just pay to get on the test staff), I would buy a membership to Visionary's test staff. They do not produce balls like the bigger companies have, but the fact they fly under the radar with some great equipment is the best part about them.
Many that have thrown Visionary can testify that they are not exactly out there creating the biggest hooking monsters that they can. The Gargoyle series was not a huge hooking series, but they were mostly control balls that could get you out of a bind on the tougher patterns.
I know it's not exactly the most desirable company, especially with the big three pumping out innovation after innovation. But to me, Visionary has that kind of "charm" that I look for. It's like choosing the girl next door over the supermodel. The supermodel may be the best looking, but the girl next door just has that something you're looking for.
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Post by: tenpinspro on February 20, 2007, 02:47:39 PM
FAT MAN and LITTLE BOY...
At least I thought they were named after us.Thank you guys for your vote, keep'em coming.
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Visionary has that kind of "charm" that I look for. It's like choosing the girl next door over the supermodel. The supermodel may be the best looking, but the girl next door just has that something you're looking for.
Nicely stated Ryan...I like that.
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Post by: fins4ever88 on February 20, 2007, 02:49:22 PM
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There was a company that even had balls named after Carl and myself.....
FAT MAN and LITTLE BOY...
Thank you guys for your vote, keep'em coming.
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Pshh, screw my last post. Here's what you do...
1. Buy a lottery ticket.
2. Win the lottery.
3. Buy a manufacturing plant.
4. Make your OWN equipment!!!
Now it may take a bit of time to win the lottery...but in the end it may just be worth it!
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Post by: MC on February 20, 2007, 03:10:59 PM
I would love you guys to go to Visionary. They seem to make quality equipment. They are still a "small" company that is family oriented (unlike other companies). And I think that they would really boom with the knowledge that you would bring to the table. Also they don't produce balls just to produce balls, they see a gap in their line up and that is what they fix.
And in their forum it is hard to get a lot of good feedback now.
After them I would say Morich.
PS:
I am thinking of getting back into the Test Staff with Visionary.
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Post by: cnimsk on February 20, 2007, 03:23:05 PM
Chuck
Post by: kgee15 on February 20, 2007, 03:47:30 PM
Rick, you already know my choice, but for discussion sake, I'm hoping you both go to Roto. I haven't been using them long, but I already have 4 of their balls in only a short amount of time since using my first Roto ball (which was the Battle). They make quality equipment and I know you said you matched up well with them in the past. Storm would be my 2nd choice for you guys.
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Post by: charlest on February 20, 2007, 03:51:05 PM
Right now, personally, I use Visionary for light to medium oil and Lanemasters for medium to heavy oil, with one Roto-Grip ball thrown in for good measure. However, I have a couple of Track and Brunswick balls I will never get rid of.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 20, 2007, 03:53:16 PM
Edited on 2/20/2007 4:51 PM
Post by: newguy on February 20, 2007, 04:42:58 PM
quote:quote:
There was a company that even had balls named after Carl and myself.....
FAT MAN and LITTLE BOY...
Thank you guys for your vote, keep'em coming.
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*El Presidente of the Track Legion
Pshh, screw my last post. Here's what you do...
1. Buy a lottery ticket.
2. Win the lottery.
3. Buy a manufacturing plant.
4. Make your OWN equipment!!!
Now it may take a bit of time to win the lottery...but in the end it may just be worth it!
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I'm in.....
Post by: newguy on February 20, 2007, 04:43:47 PM
1. Buy a lottery ticket.
2. Win the lottery.
3. Buy a manufacturing plant.
4. Make your OWN equipment!!!
Now it may take a bit of time to win the lottery...but in the end it may just be worth it!
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I'm in..... for #3 and #4
Edited on 2/20/2007 5:42 PM
Post by: smash8-10split on February 20, 2007, 04:48:46 PM
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hold my hammer, while i NAIL your girlfriend.
Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 20, 2007, 04:51:51 PM
Post by: newguy on February 20, 2007, 04:59:30 PM
#3 buy a manufacturing plant
#4 make your own equipment
where did it say buy another company....
Post by: DanH78 on February 20, 2007, 05:02:46 PM
quote:
Pay attention now !!!!
#3 buy a manufacturing plant
#4 make your own equipment
where did it say buy another company....
If my guess is right, I hope you can make that come true. That'd be awesome. Good luck
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 20, 2007, 05:03:02 PM
quote:
Pay attention now !!!!
#3 buy a manufacturing plant
#4 make your own equipment
where did it say buy another company....
Post by: jodyk24 on February 20, 2007, 05:11:46 PM
Wow.. The bowling Company's are becoming just about like the automobile companies. A few companies and a lot to pick from. This being said it comes down to what you like a Ford, GM or Other's as to what to fit your needs.
I have used Track equipment for a long time now and still use some older Track equipment on a weekly basis.This is just my take, there is not a lot of difference in most of the equipment coming out now. Big weight blocks, soaker coverstocks, go long and hook hard. Who ever can advertise their equipment the best and yes if a lot of bowlers see them Sunday on TV, this will sell bowling balls. If both of you could stay with the new/Ebonote/Hammer/Track/Columbia/DT, this would be a good fit for you if possible. I do know what ever company you decide to go with, will greatly benefit from your knowledge and patience with their customers. I know you will make the right decision whatever it may be.
Good luck to both of you and keep us posted.
jodyk24
Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 20, 2007, 05:16:52 PM
then you can release the following line:
The Beginning
The exodus
then finally a ball just called holy Sh1t lol
Post by: clintdaley on February 20, 2007, 06:36:40 PM
You need to sign with a company that matches up to you and has an appeal for the everyday person as well. It also has to be a product that you can push and have faith in. If you don't believe in a product, then you honestly can't push that the way you really want to or could.
Right now, I am tossing Visionary and have loved their stuff....all of the Gargoyles, Ogre, Blue/green Centaur....the covers hold up well....
My vote is Visionary....but you guys need to do what is right for the shop and yourself.
Clint
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Post by: Rileybowler on February 20, 2007, 06:52:44 PM
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Post by: Slopsurprise on February 20, 2007, 09:17:01 PM
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The stuff i like other than Track might be Lanemasters, MoRich, or Brunswick .. they're all good. I would stay faaaaar away from Ebonite. I don't trust their coverstocks, never did, never will. Sorry to the people who do like them, this is only IMHO.
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Inertia, EQuation , DEsert HeAt
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"Track...you Just can't Beat That!"
You are reading my mind on all points of view. I will agree and give you a +1 for the voting.
Post by: Brickguy221 on February 20, 2007, 10:17:15 PM
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When I joined the Track forum 4 yrs ago, we were 5th in popularity in BR. With the help of Carl, Anthony Chapman (achappy), George Frilingos, Clint Daley and many others. We've boosted Track to 2nd, I think that says a lot for the work we've done here in customer support and satisfaction. I feel we could do the same in any respective forum if given the chance.
Rick, Track may be second in number of posts, but you guys boosted them to #1 in terms of help, advisement, knowledgeable posts and etc. I have been a member of BR for 4 years now and I have learned more and received way more help/advisement in the Track Forum than I have in any other Forum on BR.
As for companies to try to go with since you and Carl are now "free agents", I would really-sincerely like to see you guys hook on with Legends/Lanemasters. They have some really good products and I will go so far as to say I think they have some of the better products on the market today. I have a couple of their balls and love them both and would have more if people like you and Carl were on their staff, but I quit after two balls because of the lack of help when needed from Legends/Lanemasters. With people like the two of you in their Forum plus Charlest whom is already there, help would be available for everyone all of the time and it would be a huge movement towards increased business for Legends/Lanemasters. Galen Gentry is great, but he doesn't have the time to devote to the Legends/Lanemasters Forum. I would like to see you guys look at the following companies in the order listed.....
Legends/Lanemasters.... (Rick, they are almost in your backyard)
Ebonite..... (Good company and good products)
Storm....... (an ok company, but they have some shake-ups now and then)
MoRich......(Becoming more popular, but they are a long way from you)
Visionary....(not as well known as othr companys)
Brunswick....(they have some good products but too crowded over there)
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 20, 2007, 11:23:38 PM
quote:
Pay attention now !!!!
#3 buy a manufacturing plant
#4 make your own equipment
where did it say buy another company....
What kind of cores and coverstocks would these new balls have? UM....probably not manufactured south of the border?
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Youngstown Ohio
Tag Team Member #1
TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder
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Post by: rymacatthedisco on February 21, 2007, 02:03:14 AM
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Post by: pnj1967 on February 21, 2007, 04:24:46 AM
Legends/Lanemasters
Ebonite
Storm
MoRich
Visionary
Brunswick
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Users I wont deal with ;
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Post by: stardude on February 21, 2007, 04:42:46 AM
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Pay attention now !!!!
#3 buy a manufacturing plant
#4 make your own equipment
where did it say buy another company....
I'm surprised that more haven't commented on this statement.
Is this something that is a possibility for him?
Post by: tog831 on February 21, 2007, 05:19:55 AM
Post by: trogdor on February 21, 2007, 06:24:16 AM
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Track Power Machine
Storm Paradigm Passion
Storm Eraser Ragin' Banshee
Lane#1 Crystal Diamond
Post by: Laybzz74 on February 21, 2007, 06:30:30 AM
Ask Carl about the Pro Shop Package that "L/LM" offers ... of course, I'm biased and brand-loyal.
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Post by: newguy on February 21, 2007, 07:33:35 AM
quote:quote:
Pay attention now !!!!
#3 buy a manufacturing plant
#4 make your own equipment
where did it say buy another company....
What kind of cores and coverstocks would these new balls have? UM....probably not manufactured south of the border?
I do know what kind of cores it would have and what kind of cover it would have. And it would not be made south of the boarder.
I happen to have a careers worth of designs ready to launch and a myriad of cover core combinations available. If I were to do something that is...
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TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder
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Post by: Leftyhi-trak on February 21, 2007, 08:02:41 AM
As far as what you may get, go with whoever makes you happy and is the best deal for you. From a br.com reader standpoint I would point my direction to Utah. Steve K used to post on here with some great tech stuff but that forum has been very poor with information or at least not as in-depth. There are a few very good posters but still not the level of unity and guidance that you guys brought to the track forum. Visionary is a great line and the representation wouldn't hurt them at all. L/L might not hurt either but their line of communication is pretty tight into Galen although i believe there popularity has got past the point of one mans echos. I would hope Ebonite throws you guys a bone or maybe even some "new guy". He still wears a pretty big hat, even though he is a lefty. Good luck with you endeavors. As far as BigB on this site they are already pretty well advised through Nick,Verbs, RobLaw, etc. I know i as well as other have always appreciated what you have done and hope you can keep it up.
Post by: stardude on February 21, 2007, 10:43:25 AM
and let you use them.quote:quote:quote:
Pay attention now !!!!
#3 buy a manufacturing plant
#4 make your own equipment
where did it say buy another company....
What kind of cores and coverstocks would these new balls have? UM....probably not manufactured south of the border?
I do know what kind of cores it would have and what kind of cover it would have. And it would not be made south of the boarder.
I happen to have a careers worth of designs ready to launch and a myriad of cover core combinations available. If I were to do something that is...
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Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio
Tag Team Member #1
TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder
Edited on 2/21/2007 1:00 AM
Post by: Traumabill on February 21, 2007, 12:00:25 PM
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Rick,
You need to sign with a company that matches up to you and has an appeal for the everyday person as well. It also has to be a product that you can push and have faith in. If you don't believe in a product, then you honestly can't push that the way you really want to or could.
Right now, I am tossing Visionary and have loved their stuff....all of the Gargoyles, Ogre, Blue/green Centaur....the covers hold up well....
My vote is Visionary....but you guys need to do what is right for the shop and yourself.
Clint
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Not to hijack....
Clint,
What happened to the MoRich deal???
Bill
Bowling Services Unlimited
www.bsuproshops.com
Vise Inserts Staff
www.viseinserts
Edited on 2/21/2007 12:58 PM
Post by: nospareball on February 21, 2007, 12:02:20 PM
Post by: splendorlex on February 21, 2007, 12:08:53 PM
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Mr. Lebowski, this is Bill Salnicker with the Southern Cal Bowling League, and I just got a, an informal report, that a member of your team, uh, Walter Sobchak, drew a firearm during league play. If this is true of course, it contravenes a number of the league's by-laws, and article 27 of the league...
The Rev Zone (blog) http://ryanfinley.bowlspace.com/blog/
Post by: cficare068 on February 21, 2007, 12:35:47 PM
Post by: Long Roller on February 21, 2007, 01:55:16 PM
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so is new guy trying to tell us something is in the works.
yes
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Post by: MC on February 22, 2007, 11:49:02 AM
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Post by: Slick300 on February 22, 2007, 12:32:00 PM
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Post by: SteveAustin2808 on February 22, 2007, 01:03:06 PM
Sorry its taking me so long to post my opinion...I have to say, go with whoever treats you right and whoever you believe will be there for you in the long run...I think its really crappy that they didn't even have on the list of staffers which is pretty pathetic in my opinion...I have to admit as well that trying something other than Track was weird at first...I've already sold the Toxic, just didn't like the look it gave me and I'm currently looking for a bidder to take my Total NV, not much luck in league last night with it...just my two cents though! God Bless You Rick and you know you have my support with whoever you choose buddy!
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 23, 2007, 12:30:13 PM
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Post by: Rev_O on February 23, 2007, 02:54:04 PM
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Any other suggestions?
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C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio
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TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder
Start your OWN company. You guys could call it Tall and Short Bowling Inc.
Seriously, I'd say Storm then BrunsMo.
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on February 24, 2007, 12:25:56 AM
If that dont work just sign with the company you think is the best out there. I know carl already knows what I think mostly but I was so set on trying that soaker cover. I think I may end up just shopping on the rack for stuff I see left there. (most resently found a Elixer, 5-6 red pulse, and I almost had an animal but some kid beat me to it.)
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Post by: tenpinspro on February 24, 2007, 12:47:47 PM
On edit:
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Start your OWN company. You guys could call it Tall and Short Bowling Inc.
Wait man, who are you calling TALL?....I'm short but he ain't no SHAQ!...LOL
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Edited on 2/24/2007 2:32 PM
Post by: tenpinspro on February 24, 2007, 01:39:10 PM
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Post by: Hamburglar on February 25, 2007, 08:00:09 AM
STORM!!!!
They have some great equipment and the Storm forum could REALLY use a few more intelligent people to "help out" with the equipment (layouts, surface prep, etc...). That's the one thing I really miss in regards to when I rolled Track, all the knowledge I gained from reading posts made by the Track reps...
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Post by: RDS on February 25, 2007, 06:15:43 PM
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