Post by: Noy on October 15, 2006, 04:53:08 AM
I want to start bowling ABT tournaments soon. After almost of year of comparing brands that suit me and considering price
erformance:longevity ratios, I've decided to stick with Track. My Equation has done nothing but save the day whenever my Black Widow or Pain aren't giving me what I want. I've tried Storm and liked it, but too pricey. Brunswick and Columbia didn't impress me much. I liked Ebonite a lot, but I'm scared that their covers will die on me after 50 games or so. Track was the only brand that withstood my high standards. On with the show...For my 4 ball bag, I was thinking:
Mean Machine
Power Machine
Track Equation (Already have, drilled 4x2)
Spare Ball
Do you guys think that would cover a good spectrum of oil patterns or should I go with something more versatile in place of the power machine? I was at the Ebonite Demo days yesterday and I loved the One and Infinite one, but due to the low life of Ebonite covers, I'm a little scared to invest in them. All help would be very much appreciated.
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Bowling Since March 2006 - "Get coaching, don't worry about it"...blah blah balh...Just answer the questions please
Arsenal:
Hammer Pain (1000 grit)
Hammer Black Widow
Track Equation
Storm Spare Ball
Edited on 10/15/2006 12:46 PM
Post by: williewc on October 15, 2006, 01:48:40 PM
also read where Clint was saying the inertia could handle heavy oil with the polish taken off
Post by: joe 26 on October 15, 2006, 01:53:47 PM
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Post by: Noy on October 15, 2006, 03:42:58 PM
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Arsenal:
Hammer Pain (1000 grit)
Hammer Black Widow
Track Equation
Storm Spare Ball
Post by: cficare068 on October 15, 2006, 07:46:24 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on October 15, 2006, 07:50:52 PM
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Scott
Post by: Noy on October 16, 2006, 12:18:05 AM
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Noy--What ABT division? And do you know generally what kind of lane patterns they put out? I'd check into that before I picked any line of balls or particular balls.
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Scott
Its the Sacramento Chapter and possibly the Bay Area chapter as well. I got to know and befriend a couple of people that bowl ABT around here so I'll ask them what the norm is around here. I was also pointed towards the Morich Total Shock and Awe for the heavy stuff. We'll see what happens, but still, any pointers would be great.
Also, whats the motion like on a Heat Blast for Dry patterns? I was thinking of gettting another Equation with a longer or weaker drilling instead. I was practicing again today on my THS, and man, as I start to add more and more revs, my current Equation heads more and more towards the front of that head pin. So yea, any info or vids on the Heat Blast would be awesome...thanks guys!
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Bowling Since March 2006 - "Get coaching, don't worry about it"...blah blah balh...Just answer the questions please
Arsenal:
Hammer Pain (1000 grit)
Hammer Black Widow
Track Equation
Storm Spare Ball
Post by: cficare068 on October 16, 2006, 01:49:30 AM
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Did you just not give ball reviews on the Ebonite forum under Demo Days subject?
You are something else man...Get off the balls they will not make you better.
You know absolutely nothing about Ebonite balls dying after 50 games.
TAKE SOME PROFESSIONAL BOWLING LESSONS AND LEARN HOW TO BOWL FIRST!!!!!
Rod Ross in Manteca is close to you,he is a Gold Certified coach,plus he designed the Bowlers Map program.
He is not the only one that feels this way about ebonites not lasting more that 50 games. I myself and many other that I have talked to fill the exact same way. Although I have not thrown any recent ebonite equipment, I have thrown ebonite before. In my opinion the Ebonite particle balls where awesome for about 50 games and then just never got back to the way they where from OOB. At least the Apex and Apex Aggression that I have did. The Matrix Dynasty and the V2 Pearl I had where pretty good balls and the coverstock lasted well on them. I have heard some speculation that the newer ebonite balls have gotten better, but I have not thrown one.
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Post by: Noy on October 16, 2006, 01:56:00 AM
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Bowling Since March 2006 - "Get coaching, don't worry about it"...blah blah balh...Just answer the questions please
Arsenal:
Hammer Pain (1000 grit)
Hammer Black Widow
Track Equation
Storm Spare Ball
Post by: Danes07 on October 16, 2006, 03:31:51 AM
Post by: Noy on October 16, 2006, 03:51:58 AM
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Bowling Since March 2006 - "Get coaching, don't worry about it"...blah blah balh...Just answer the questions please
Arsenal:
Hammer Pain (1000 grit)
Hammer Black Widow
Track Equation
Storm Spare Ball
Post by: cficare068 on October 16, 2006, 04:47:08 AM
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Post by: Slopsurprise on October 16, 2006, 08:12:08 AM
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Did you just not give ball reviews on the Ebonite forum under Demo Days subject?
You are something else man...Get off the balls they will not make you better.
You know absolutely nothing about Ebonite balls dying after 50 games.
TAKE SOME PROFESSIONAL BOWLING LESSONS AND LEARN HOW TO BOWL FIRST!!!!!
Rod Ross in Manteca is close to you,he is a Gold Certified coach,plus he designed the Bowlers Map program.
He is not the only one that feels this way about ebonites not lasting more that 50 games. I myself and many other that I have talked to fill the exact same way. Although I have not thrown any recent ebonite equipment, I have thrown ebonite before. In my opinion the Ebonite particle balls where awesome for about 50 games and then just never got back to the way they where from OOB. At least the Apex and Apex Aggression that I have did. The Matrix Dynasty and the V2 Pearl I had where pretty good balls and the coverstock lasted well on them. I have heard some speculation that the newer ebonite balls have gotten better, but I have not thrown one.
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I feel the same way also. The new "ones" are better but, they still are not great when it comes to durability. IMO, Ebonites still die quicker than any other companys covers. Yes, I take very good care of my stuff and clean it after every time I use it. It still happens.
Post by: scotts33 on October 16, 2006, 09:20:59 AM
Noy--I'd get as much info. before you layout anything consdiering your technique, ball speed, etc. Most ABT divisions that I know of put down tougher sport conditions and your normal THS league ball lay outs will not work on a flatter condition very well.
Find out what they are putting down and get with your driller and get equipment that will work on sport conditons. Some equipmnet is better on sport conditions than others. Look at BTM reviews, get other reviews here from qualified folks and get more knowledge before you waste your good $ on stuff that won't work.
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Scott
Post by: Noy on October 16, 2006, 09:31:42 AM
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Let's get back to the question at hand.
Noy--I'd get as much info. before you layout anything consdiering your technique, ball speed, etc. Most ABT divisions that I know of put down tougher sport conditions and your normal THS league ball lay outs will not work on a flatter condition very well.
Find out what they are putting down and get with your driller and get equipment that will work on sport conditons. Some equipmnet is better on sport conditions than others. Look at BTM reviews, get other reviews here from qualified folks and get more knowledge before you waste your good $ on stuff that won't work.
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Scott
Yes, thanks for the notice and I plan on doing so. Its a good thing my driller reads those BTM's to the T and he's good with a lot of guys that bowl the ABT around here. I'm sure he'll be able to reccommend great patterns (although I had some in mind already). My worry is not having enough arsenal to cover a wider range. I'd like to replace that spare ball with something else, but you never know when a bone dry pattern will come up and rolling out your weakest ball towards then corner still wont be enough.
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Bowling Since March 2006 - "Get coaching, don't worry about it"...blah blah balh...Just answer the questions please
Arsenal:
Hammer Pain (1000 grit)
Hammer Black Widow
Track Equation
Storm Spare Ball
Post by: clintdaley on October 16, 2006, 10:29:33 AM
If I had to choose a 4 ball arsenal right now, including a spare ball:
Robo or dulled Inertia
Artillery or factory Inertia
Equation
Spare
Clint
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Post by: Noy on October 16, 2006, 11:23:17 AM
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In general, I would say a dulled Inertia or a Robo would be a better choice for a true heavy shot. The Mean, although dull, is still rective and pearl. While it may overall cover as many boards as my Inertias (dulled) do or Robos did....it does it differently, as it rolls much later than either of those 2. If you need soemthing to start up quick, then look at the Robo or dulled Inertia.
If I had to choose a 4 ball arsenal right now, including a spare ball:
Robo or dulled Inertia
Artillery or factory Inertia
Equation
Spare
Clint
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Clint Daley-Owner
Lets Go Bowling Daley
Inside Hunt Club Lanes
Salem, Ohio 44460
Track Pro Shop staff
www.trackbowling.com
www.letsgobowlingdaley.com
I NOW ACCEPT ALL CREDIT CARDS, NO MORE NEED FOR PAYPAL OR MONEY ORDERS IF WE DON'T HAVE TO....JUST PM ME TO GET MY SHOP NUMBER TO COMPLETE THE TRANSACTION!
You know Clint, I was thinking the same exact thing right before I read your post. If I went with an Inertia for heavy, what would be a good grit to bring it down to? 500?
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Bowling Since March 2006 - "Get coaching, don't worry about it"...blah blah balh...Just answer the questions please
Arsenal:
Hammer Pain (1000 grit)
Hammer Black Widow
Track Equation
Storm Spare Ball
Post by: clintdaley on October 16, 2006, 02:36:41 PM
Clint
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Clint Daley-Owner
Lets Go Bowling Daley
Inside Hunt Club Lanes
Salem, Ohio 44460
Track Pro Shop staff
www.trackbowling.com
www.letsgobowlingdaley.com
I NOW ACCEPT ALL CREDIT CARDS, NO MORE NEED FOR PAYPAL OR MONEY ORDERS IF WE DON'T HAVE TO....JUST PM ME TO GET MY SHOP NUMBER TO COMPLETE THE TRANSACTION!