Post by: Brickguy221 on April 25, 2008, 05:09:05 AM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on April 25, 2008, 01:14:25 PM
Which says that the 900global guys and the few others that bother with us should be rewarded for these efforts by buying those brands only.
Post by: FastTracker33 on April 25, 2008, 04:47:48 PM
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Yep Ebo has ruined it i hate too say, I think they have quietly letting all the staffers go they must feel that we are not all important. Yes BR is pretty much bunch of ball whores and wackos, which i fit in both slots but i have heard we are a small minority from ball reps.
Which says that the 900global guys and the few others that bother with us should be rewarded for these efforts by buying those brands only.
What he said..
I know i'll probably never buy another Track ball ever again.. Sad to say.
I've owned over 20 Track balls before the buy-out, and loved them all! They all did something for my arsenal. I tried a few of the newer ones (Kinetic and Rising especially), and was not impressed. It sucks! This forum was really popular.
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Post by: MC on April 25, 2008, 04:48:26 PM
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oh what the heck, re-release the Pheonix!
AMF already beat them to it.
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Post by: Guined on April 25, 2008, 04:50:18 PM
Well I have to totally disagree with you. I think the Ebonite buyout is one of the best things that could of happened to Track as well as Columbia. Just look at what they have done with Hammer. Ebonite has the best engineering staff in the industry with Ron and Randy. They are developing core and cover combinations that are unique to each brand and they do not intermingle between brands.
Now with Paul at the helm he has some great ideas for where he is going to take the company and it is pretty exciting to be part of it.
As far as Rick that is a dead subject and Carl is now running three pro shops plus doing tech support for Track so he is an extremely busy individual.
I have stated on here before that I am more than willing to help anyone that needs it. I do work a full time job so I don't get on here as much as I like. So send me a PM. Thats what a lot of people are doing and it makes it easier to focus on thier needs. It's much faster than surfing through all of the threads and posts.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 25, 2008, 04:53:47 PM
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Which says that the 900global guys and the few others that bother with us should be rewarded for these efforts by buying those brands only.
Barry, I am with you all the way on that one. I LOVE my Heist a bunch. It is one of the most user friendly balls I have ever had. Am thinking about getting the Code to compliment it. I am on the verge of going to an an all AMF arsenal based on my experience with the Heist and what I have seen from others that throw the Code, Night Hawk Pearl, Night Hawk Solid, and etc.
Didn't mean to spam my topic here about AMF equipment and I appoligize to all for doing so, but since the subject came up I wanted to say that their current equipment and 900 Global equipment is simply some of the best out there right now, if not the best from what I have seen.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 25, 2008, 05:13:07 PM
I used to really like some of the Track balls like the Track Heat Remake, Havoc, Triton Elite Solid, and such balls, but hated the Track balls like the Xception 5.0 and GP2. Those balls didn't suck up oil and die, but many Ebonite made balls do.
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Post by: pnj1967 on April 25, 2008, 05:44:02 PM
The part about Rick MAY, be a dead subject WITH YOU AND SOME OTHERS, BUT NOT WITH me and MANY OTHERS !!!!!!!!!!!
As far as Paul, just what has he done so far, because the Track forum here and at the "Track" web page has been dead for some time now (thats what happens when you loose some good people) !!!!!! Haven't seen too many GOOD ideas yet from Paul.
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mrbowlingnut
Well I have to totally disagree with you. I think the Ebonite buyout is one of the best things that could of happened to Track as well as Columbia. Just look at what they have done with Hammer. Ebonite has the best engineering staff in the industry with Ron and Randy. They are developing core and cover combinations that are unique to each brand and they do not intermingle between brands.
Now with Paul at the helm he has some great ideas for where he is going to take the company and it is pretty exciting to be part of it.
As far as Rick that is a dead subject and Carl is now running three pro shops plus doing tech support for Track so he is an extremely busy individual.
I have stated on here before that I am more than willing to help anyone that needs it. I do work a full time job so I don't get on here as much as I like. So send me a PM. Thats what a lot of people are doing and it makes it easier to focus on thier needs. It's much faster than surfing through all of the threads and posts.
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Post by: ElectricLeftSlider on April 25, 2008, 05:59:26 PM
Post by: pnj1967 on April 25, 2008, 06:01:51 PM
What I posted was no attack on Paul. He was appointed to the Job May 3, 2007. Again it has almost been a year, just what has he done so far ??
Working to get exposure? A couple of companies come to mind when I seen that, they were Studebaker, and Delorian.
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The Track forums are being redone to avoid getting more porn to come through on the page.
The attack on Paul is unfair because all 3 of the original balls were done before he could put his "stamp" on them.
We are working on getting more exposure for Track and this will be a new season coming up. Please bare with us and we will do the best we can.
Also I am also here to answer your question about Track Product, either pm me or you can email me at tracktechserv@yahoo.com
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Post by: 302efi on April 25, 2008, 06:58:30 PM
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Working to get exposure? A couple of companies come to mind when I seen that, they were Studebaker, and Delorian.
What about Tucker !?!?!?!
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 25, 2008, 07:46:30 PM
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The part about Rick MAY, be a dead subject WITH YOU AND SOME OTHERS, BUT NOT WITH me and MANY OTHERS !!!!!!!!!!!
Paul, you got that one right....... There are lots and lots of us here that will back you up on that one.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 25, 2008, 08:00:39 PM
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The Track forums are being redone to avoid getting more porn to come through on the page.
this topic is in reference to the Track Forum right here on Ball Reviews and not their web site.
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The attack on Paul is unfair because all 3 of the original balls were done before he could put his "stamp" on them.
Your attack on Rick was unfair also. Rick was a great person and loved by many on this site and people aren't going to forget him any time soon, if ever. I know I will NEVER forget Rick. He did more for me and helped me more than everyone else put together on this Ball Reviews Forum and he did likewise for many others here also. He was very level headed, explained things and making them so simple that anyone could understand them, would bend over backwards to help anyone in need and was very MATURE and NEVER TROLLED into other ball forums causing trouble like some of the other ball reps and staff members from other ball companies on this Ball Reviews site have done.
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on April 25, 2008, 09:15:00 PM
I really don't see much of an overall difference between pre-merger and post-merger Track. As someone already said; no representation, no promotion. Not to mention, as of right now, no one on tour is winning with Track. I can't even recall the last win. The players we did have, left when-that next year?
It's really bad when you take a ball to a shop for new grips or whatever, and the shop guy looks shocked cause he thought Track was out of business. Speaking of the pieces, I still prefer the 'old' pieces over the 'new'. Out of what I have left, I'll take the PM, Champ, Contender and Phenom against the Temper, Kinetic, Rising, and K.E. anyday.
But I guess this is why I chose Track in the first place. No matter where I go, I'm typically the only one throwing Track and I like that.
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Post by: six pack on April 25, 2008, 11:44:40 PM
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Post by: FIG on April 26, 2008, 11:25:45 AM
What has Track done in a year?
Moved a very large manufacturing facility and most of its equipment and inventory from San Antonio to Hopkinsville KY. New products take development lead time. Three totally new cores had to be developed for the Track line; the old cores from San Antonio are useless in Ebonite Internationals process. New cover stocks had to be developed and tested to assure great products (WHICH THEY ARE). The manufacturing facility which ran one shift to build Ebonite and Hammer products had to be doubled to accommodate Track and Columbia. New pouring equipment had to be installed to keep up with demand. All this was done while never missing a beat in the production of Ebonite and Hammer products. Think of the magnitude of getting this done in the time frame that the people at Ebonite International did it in and that tells you the dedication of the employees in Hopkinsville.
On the marketing side the old Track web site had to be totally redesigned that doesn’t happen overnight. We signed 40 regional staffers and had the first ever staff training camp in Hopkinsville. We signed Mitch Beasley to our pro staff. Attended 20 distributor trade shows. Conducted 40 Rising seminars all around the US, Europe and Japan.
The first on line live technical support chat forum in the bowling industry was developed and is up and running. We developed and tested a brand new bag line that will be introduced in June. Three new balls are in the process of being introduced and marketed. A new web site is being developed from the ground up. (YES AGAIN) We hired a brand new ad agency and feel for the Track brand our interactive web and forums are very important. The reason the Track forum is down currently is due to the development of the new site. I do apologize that it is not running but I feel if we can’t control outside influences such as spammers it is in our customer’s best interest to keep it down until we can keep them away. Over the next few months you will see the New Track brand rising back to the status we once held. Track is all about the people and all of you here are part of the team. I would like to say something about our current tech staff. Carl, Rob, Rick G and Michael are the best in the industry and are always here to answer any questions you have. If you would like to contact me directly you can reach me at pfigliomeni@trackbowling.com
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Post by: Slopsurprise on April 26, 2008, 01:58:43 PM
Post by: htownstaff on April 26, 2008, 04:09:24 PM
In my opinion we're stronger than ever. We are more technologically advanced than we've ever been. I liked the old stuff too, but the new Track has been great.
Track is doing things with single density cores that San Antonio couldn't do with the "add-a-piece" cores. We are the industry leader when it comes to core design.
I will surely admit that I was unsure of what was going to come of this transaction, but at this point I am confident that we are moving in the right direction.
Track has taken the steps necessary to build the brand...
The staff has received further education from the brand in classroom and on lane settings. Has anyone else in the industry taken that step? Nope...but they wish they had come up with the idea and I'll bet there are other labels who will be running a similar program for their people this coming year. All staff members are more than willing to answer questions and offer advice. Just ask! Ask here, BBE or trackbowling.com. You will always receive a timely and accurate answer.
The website issue was touched on by Paul. Rest assured, we will have a great website, but it's going to take a little bit of time.
Paul also touched on the trade shows and seminars. This is a busy schedule guys! I've seen what Paul, Tech Support and the DSM's go through. Long days of seminars and travel are lots of work. It's no walk in the park.
Hard work and dedication is what this brand has always been about. This same hard work and dedication, from top to bottom is what will drive us to the top of the industry. Nobody out there is doing what we're doing. It will continue to be this way as long as the brand is under Fig and the Ebonite umbrella.
As for the Rick issue, myself and the others have posted about this in other threads. I don't see a need to keep digging this up.
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Post by: pnj1967 on April 26, 2008, 04:20:08 PM
If you read very carefully Brickguy only mentioned Rick leaving, THATS all he said about "Rick". ONE of your "OWN" TRACK Specialist is the ONE who brought it up AGAIN !!!
It was Guined who posted " As far as Rick that is a dead subject and Carl is now running three pro shops plus doing tech support for Track so he is an extremely busy individual."
It seems that this Forum is not what it once was since Ebonite bought Track, "Rick" left Track and Carl seldom posting anymore. Up until the Ebonite buy out of Track, this forum was one of if not the most popular forums on the BR site, but not any more. Anyone else noticed this or is it just me?
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We're nowhere near "forkable"
In my opinion we're stronger than ever. We are more technologically advanced than we've ever been. I liked the old stuff too, but the new Track has been great.
Track is doing things with single density cores that San Antonio couldn't do with the "add-a-piece" cores. We are the industry leader when it comes to core design.
I will surely admit that I was unsure of what was going to come of this transaction, but at this point I am confident that we are moving in the right direction.
Track has taken the steps necessary to build the brand...
The staff has received further education from the brand in classroom and on lane settings. Has anyone else in the industry taken that step? Nope...but they wish they had come up with the idea and I'll bet there are other labels who will be running a similar program for their people this coming year. All staff members are more than willing to answer questions and offer advice. Just ask! Ask here, BBE or trackbowling.com. You will always receive a timely and accurate answer.
The website issue was touched on by Paul. Rest assured, we will have a great website, but it's going to take a little bit of time.
Paul also touched on the trade shows and seminars. This is a busy schedule guys! I've seen what Paul, Tech Support and the DSM's go through. Long days of seminars and travel are lots of work. It's no walk in the park.
Hard work and dedication is what this brand has always been about. This same hard work and dedication, from top to bottom is what will drive us to the top of the industry. Nobody out there is doing what we're doing. It will continue to be this way as long as the brand is under Fig and the Ebonite umbrella.
As for the Rick issue, myself and the others have posted about this in other threads. I don't see a need to keep digging this up.
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Post by: htownstaff on April 26, 2008, 04:34:27 PM
I think Rick G was just trying to reply to each event that Brick brough up in his initial post.
As for myself, I wasn't fingering anybody for bringing it up. I just think that what is done is done. It's unfortunate, but there isn't anything that you, me or anyone else can really do about it but wish Rick all the best in his future endeavors.
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Post by: Slopsurprise on April 26, 2008, 05:26:29 PM
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We're nowhere near "forkable"
In my opinion we're stronger than ever. We are more technologically advanced than we've ever been. I liked the old stuff too, but the new Track has been great.
Track is doing things with single density cores that San Antonio couldn't do with the "add-a-piece" cores. We are the industry leader when it comes to core design.
I will surely admit that I was unsure of what was going to come of this transaction, but at this point I am confident that we are moving in the right direction.
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Thats great but, it doesnt amount to a hill of beans of difference until people start throwing track again. Which, I dont really see them at all anymore and I used to see a ton of them. From a consumers perspective, nothing about what the brand is now, excites me or tells me to buy Track. It just seems like most of Ebonites resources are promoting Hammer, Ebonite, Columbia, and Track in last place in the Black sheep position by a good margin. When I see a difference, I will no longer say stick a fork in Track. As of right now, stick a fork in it.
Best of luck to you guys.
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Post by: htownstaff on April 26, 2008, 05:59:09 PM
Brand loyalty is big in this sport...The Legion, Sawheads, Hammerheads and The Nacion de Brunswick. In order for us to really shine, we must win over some of those who are "brand loyal" to other companies. This isn't an overnight project.
We are moving in the right direction.
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Post by: six pack on April 26, 2008, 08:46:04 PM
BTW keep an eye on 900G if you like the old Track stuff.
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Post by: trackenny on April 26, 2008, 10:24:37 PM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 26, 2008, 11:13:26 PM
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It's got to be an area thing. Around here, I'm not seeing hardly any of the new C300 or Hammer, but Track is definitely making an appearance along with Ebonite. All of the brands have good stuff. I just think it's a matter of preference.
Brand loyalty is big in this sport...The Legion, Sawheads, Hammerheads and The Nacion de Brunswick. In order for us to really shine, we must win over some of those who are "brand loyal" to other companies. This isn't an overnight project.
htownstaff, Track has never been popular around the area of Oklahoma where I bowl. If you want to buy a Track ball, the pro shops have to order it as they don't stock Track nor do the even mention-promote Track. Ebonite has been popular probably due to one pro shop that prefers Ebonite and thus pushes Ebonite. Ditto for Storm. Ebonite and Storm have presented Demo Days every 1-2 years. Never a Track Demo Day and with most people if a person mentions the name Track, they ask what kind of ball is that?
To sum it up and make a long story short, if Track wants to prosper, especially in markets where it is weak or people don't even know what Track is, then they are going to have to have some Demo-Days or something to get peoples attention. I know that using myself for example, after what has happened to Track the past 1 1/2 years or so, I would have to see some Track balls being used by others as well as trying one myself before I bought one, especially after all of the changes and turn over the past 1 1/2 years or so that Track has had. So the bottom line is.....if Track wants to prosper, they are going to have to address things like I have mentioned here
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Post by: Guined on April 27, 2008, 01:36:39 AM
You are correct about what I ment about Rick. The subject has been discusse in several threads so I don't know what else can be said.
pnj1967
I know what ever anybody says won't be what you want to here. I'm sorry there's nothing I can do about that. As far as Rick goes I respect his knowledge and ability to bring simplistic approaches to the game. He makes it easy for individuals to understand technical points of the game. Heck I had a good conversation with him about a month and a half a go. Discussing mine teams trip to Nationals. We did pretty well so I explained how we played the lanes and broke them down to score well. Hopefully he will be able to take that information to all the guys he has in the Legion group that are going to compete with him and use it to their advantage. Also if there is anything I can help you with just let me know.
I wish Rick all the best in his endevours. I know he should easily land on his feet running if he hasn't already.
Rick
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Post by: Billy Ray on April 27, 2008, 08:10:07 AM
Now with that said I appreciate everyones concern about Rick and his departure from Track. However business is business and unfortunately you cant become concerned with it on a personal level. I doubt we will ever know both sides of the story so from my persepective that issue is dead and I appreciated Rick's knowledge and hard work.
With Respect to The Rebuilding of TRACK as a leader in technology I think Fig is doing a great job. You can't rush success its takes alot of hard work and dedication and it just doesnt happen overnight to be one of the best. THe sales force and staff members are working hard to promote the brand and its been a slow ongoing process in my area. People are warming up to the BRand in my area and not just because I am representing the brand. Others are drilling the balls and finding success with them. I am looking forward to the coming ball releases and new bags as well as the company becoming a regualr strong seller out of my shop as the new companies reputation begins to grow stronger and stronger. I believe we have the right guy leading the fight and he does things very smartly and methodically.
I am here also to field questions regarding the balls and many of you have talked to me in the past or emailed me and had great results. My dedication is to help you guys (and gals) better bowlers.
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Post by: Billy Ray on April 27, 2008, 11:21:13 AM
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Billy Ray
I was not going to comment on any of this, BUT if this Rick "thing" is dead and buried, done, etc., why is it always bought back by a Tack Rep., that is being paid by Track?
Go back and read the posts it was only mentioned by Brick once about Rick leaving, but continually brought back by a paid Track Rep. It's almost as if Track doesn't want this to go away or some thing.
"Now with that said I appreciate everyones concern about Rick and his departure from Track. However business is business and unfortunately you cant become concerned with it on a personal level. I doubt we will ever know both sides of the story so from my persepective that issue is dead and I appreciated Rick's knowledge and hard work."
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Post by: htownstaff on April 27, 2008, 11:58:24 AM
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Ebonite and Storm have presented Demo Days every 1-2 years. Never a Track Demo Day
Track Demos have been a possibility. They have been available in our area. I suggest contacting the DSM for your area about a Track Demo.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 27, 2008, 05:30:04 PM
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Track Demos have been a possibility. They have been available in our area. I suggest contacting the DSM for your area about a Track Demo.
htownstaff, That is not my job to contact the DSM to see if Track would do a Demo Day. That is Track's job to do that if they are interested to have their product sold in my area. It doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I was just pointing out the fact that Track is missing around here. Ebonite is doing very well around here with Hammer not doing too bad either, but Track is missing.
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Post by: htownstaff on April 27, 2008, 05:44:26 PM
I'm assuming you still bowl in O-K-L-A-H-O-M-A. Would you attend a Track Demo at your center if they were to have one? If so, I would be more than willing to contact your DSM and refer them to your local center's shop operator.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 27, 2008, 06:02:00 PM
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Post by: htownstaff on April 27, 2008, 06:17:15 PM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on April 27, 2008, 06:19:42 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on April 27, 2008, 06:31:45 PM
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Track Demos have been a possibility. They have been available in our area. I suggest contacting the DSM for your area about a Track Demo.
Barry, Ebonite recently had a Demo-Day in the house I bowl in. I asked the shop operator if they were going to have any Track balls also and he said no, so I didn't attend as I didn't have an interest in any Ebonite balls at the time.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on April 27, 2008, 06:38:04 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on April 28, 2008, 12:24:17 AM
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