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_Stroker_Walter_

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Brand new Rule GP2
« on: June 03, 2005, 03:06:58 PM »
Normally I am a storm guy almost all of my equipment is Storm. But today I got a GP2 drilled up for me. Our house changed lane conditions and has done away with the THS wall. It is a flatter pattern and longer oil. My Vertigo was the only ball that would move. I bought the GP2 since I wanted something more aggressive.

How has this ball worked for you on heavier oil conditions? I can't wait until my league night next week to try out the GP2.
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Re: Brand new Rule GP2
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2005, 11:11:20 PM »
The GP2 is the best ball for heavy oil I have ever seen. How did the pro shop drill the GP2...pin location and MB location. If you can, please let us know your PAP coordinates....that will let us know what the ball should do for you.

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Re: Brand new Rule GP2
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2005, 12:01:21 AM »
Well, I am a high track player with a slower speed and low to medium revs on the ball.

So I chose the high track drilling and I have the pin above ring finger at 2 O'clock. I have the mass bias at around 5 O'clock from the thumb hole and a balance hole about 5 or 6 inches from my thumb hole at 3 O'clock. I'm sorry if this is confusing but I don't know too much about drilling. I just was told today that I track high by having my ball driller look at my other balls. I have the track area around and possibly over the thumbhole.

I just used this ball on two sets of lanes. One was cosmic bowling which I left because I don't like playing in low light. The second house was a long sport pattern of heavy oil at 42 feet. I just have to say that this ball was touchy for me. Most of my striker were brooklyn strikes and I have had trouble getting to the pocket. I tried swinging the GP2 out but it just skidded and didn't hit the head pin. This sport pattern was bowled on already so maybe the outside was not touched? I know I have to slow my speed down with the GP2 as with the Vertigo to be able to play on heavily oiled lanes. I'm not used to bowling on heavy oil lanes, I'm used to a broken down THS. I'm not good at hitting arrows either, so I just use the dots on the approach and stand on different boards.
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Re: Brand new Rule GP2
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2005, 12:04:55 AM »
Stroker,

Give it a go and see how it does. I do want to comment that the layout on the ball is not really for heavily oiled lanes. The pin is more than likely too far from your PAP to make this an oil drilling, and the MB is not in a strong enough position for heavy oil. This is specifically true if your rev are on the lower side.

Once you get to use it on the condition you intended it for, let us know!

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Re: Brand new Rule GP2
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2005, 12:27:14 AM »
I did use it on the condition it was intended for which was heavily oiled lanes like that sport shot I mentioned. The lane I used it on was similar to my league house. They have done away with the dry outsides and made it a longer pattern.

I'm kind of shocked that you said my layout wasn't for heavily oiled lanes. Now I will mention that I don't know where my PAP is or what it means. I don't know how to find it out. But I clearly mentioned to my driller I needed something for heavily oiled lanes. I will be very pissed if I have to redrill this ball again. At $200 after drilling, the GP2 is my most expensive ball. I'm working on a photo of my layout.
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Re: Brand new Rule GP2
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2005, 12:50:26 AM »
Here are some pictures I took of the ball as I had it drilled today. Hope this helps. Should I have it redrilled and how? I need a heavy oil ball and I chose the GP2. Any help and advice is welcome.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid171/p4c4c1e9af8727e8be9f60b946c781016/f3d9eb0a.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid171/p51cf465f93d2807b24050aeef0e77aee/f3d9eb0b.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid171/pfcf219e4a249a2ef2bbb9fd0cedae296/f3d9eb11.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid171/pf23e738e7922be89ec1ecba2dbcf7cba/f3d9eb0d.jpg
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_Stroker_Walter_

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Re: Brand new Rule GP2
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2005, 01:10:22 AM »
Funny how you say that links don't work. I have no trouble viewing them. I payed actually $198 and change for the ball, drilling, grips and slug.
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Re: Brand new Rule GP2
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2005, 01:14:00 AM »
Message I got when trying to view the pics:


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Re: Brand new Rule GP2
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2005, 01:44:44 AM »
If you can get into the imagestation, the pass word is     rule
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Re: Brand new Rule GP2
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2005, 01:49:23 AM »
Now try this........

http://img84.echo.cx/img84/3101/gp2layout4qr.jpg

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Re: Brand new Rule GP2
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2005, 05:46:05 AM »
Give it a go, but in general, a pin above the finger line creates more length and flip in the Morpheous cores. It makes the core taller, which gives it more length. The mass bias is in a strong position, so give it a whirl and see what happens, but there is a stronger drill you could have. By the same token, if you put the strongest drill on this ball and leave the surface factory, you will only be able to use it on the heaviest conditions as it will more than likely burn early on dry.

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Re: Brand new Rule GP2
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2005, 06:21:45 AM »
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Give it a go, but in general, a pin above the finger line creates more length and flip in the Morpheous cores. It makes the core taller, which gives it more length. The mass bias is in a strong position, so give it a whirl and see what happens, but there is a stronger drill you could have. By the same token, if you put the strongest drill on this ball and leave the surface factory, you will only be able to use it on the heaviest conditions as it will more than likely burn early on dry.

Clint


Thank you Clint.  Did you have any trouble viewing the last two links?  Thanks for your advice. You mentioned that there was a stronger drilling? Please let me in on it, for if this ball doesn't work well during my league..... I will consider getting it plugged and redrilled. I bought this ball for heavy oil and to make it possible to play the medium line that is my comfort zone. The track website recommended this ball to me with the ball match maker.

Last night I had this ball out on the lane. It was a 42 ft sport shot. A shot that was already bowled on, yet there was plenty of oil. I still found the GP2 to skate beyond it's intended break point. I played a line and I threw the ball nice and easy and it hooked through the headpin, yet I played the same line with a touch more speed and it just skated past the headpin leaving something ugly. Besides drilling, do track balls take well to surface adjustments?
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Re: Brand new Rule GP2
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2005, 07:04:25 AM »
Track's covers take changes very well. As I mentioned earlier, the mass bias is in a strong spot, so about the only way you can get it stronger is a shorter pin to PAP. What I mean is the pin needs to be closer to your axis by about an inch (depends on your PAP though to make a 100% correct suggestion) and at the very highest even with the fingers. It doesn't seem like much, but on the Morpheous cores it can give you a totally different reaction.

My GP2 oil monster is drilled like this. I track very high, have high speed, little axis tilt, and my PAP is 5 over 1/4 up. The mass bias ends up on my VAL. I will try to draw as close as possible. Pin below the finger line makes the core shorter making it rev up sooner, pin is roughly 4 inches from my PAP, closer would make it want to roll sooner, mass bias on the VAL makes for a very strong early movement. I can only use this on floods!

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You only other option, one I would try first before redrilling, is possibly sanding the ball down a little. Don't go right to 400 or 600 grit, start out around 1200 or so, and then go down in small steps until you find your desired reaction. The lower grit surface will make the ball want to pick up a roll sooner, which will help on heavy stuff, but, by the same token, will take away some backend as well.

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Re: Brand new Rule GP2
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2005, 09:22:07 AM »
Stroker,

The layout does not look the way it was described, it may end up working fine for you.

One of the issues that many ball drillers have with asymmetrical equipment(strong MBs) is that for high track players they are afraid to place the pin below the finger line. Usually this makes a high track player track over the thumb or middle finger. The Morpheous and Rev Lever cores lower your track enough that they will not hit the holes if placed under the finger line.

The layout that clint posted is strongest layout you will have on the GP2 for oil. Naturally all of this depends on your PAP. For bowlers with a high track USUALLY their PAP is pretty far over.

Give the ball some more use....see if it does what you wanted it to do on oil. Your first move if it isn't what you want would be to adjust the surface before you should consider plugging it.

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Re: Brand new Rule GP2
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2005, 01:21:40 PM »
Hey Stroker,

As the guys have stated, the mass bias (little weight block logo) could be moved further right towards your vertical axis line which would help it get into a sooner roll.  Right now, I'd just go ahead and adjust the cover as Clint recommended but if the condition for you is as heavy as you say, I wouldn't be afraid to take it down to about 600 based on your description of your game.  Let us know how this goes and we'll try to help you get the proper reaction desired, thanks.
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