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Traumabill

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Comparison to V2 - help please!
« on: November 12, 2003, 08:37:12 PM »
I'm looking to drop from 16# to 15# for various reasons.

I'm currently throwing a V2 Sanded which I happen to like.  I throw
relatively fast (19+ mph) with very little hand (unfortunately, but working on it).  I play between the 5 - 8 board standing on 19.

Curious to what I should be looking at in the Track line that is real similar to the V2 I currently have and really like .  I'd like to evaluate both at their merits.  (currently the V2 is drilled Label leverage w/ no hole).    I'd like a tick more backend if possible... For house shots and 'heavier' oil...

I also had a chance to throw the Apex Obsession at Demo Days, which I liked...What is comparable to that given the same conditions? The Ebonite Rep stated I may want to consider a 'heavier' oil ball as the first one out given the house shot and my lack of hand....


Any thoughts or suggestions would help,

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Bill

 

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Re: Comparison to V2 - help please!
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2003, 11:59:41 AM »
OR YOU CAN WAIT FOR THE STORM SUPER CHARGE THAT IS COMING OUT THE END OF THIS MONTH. ANOTHER THAT IS CLOSE OR EVEN BETTER IS THE PARTICLE DIESLE BY HAMMER.
you also can check out the Track Crunch.

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Re: Comparison to V2 - help please!
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2003, 01:08:10 PM »
Is the Phenom Unleashed (particle) similar to the V2.  But honestly, if you liked the V2 solid (reactive), try the Player, same cover (reactive) propeller core, great ball and I don't care for Ebonite customer service.

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Re: Comparison to V2 - help please!
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2003, 02:59:18 PM »
Sorry to say, but the phenom unleashed is NOTHING like the V2 sanded...the unleashed is truely unique....if you want to compare the Unleashed to something, it would have to be the freak out, but with a 1500 smooth surface.

Traumabill.....if your looking to replace your V2 sanded, then drill up a CRUNCH! that is the best replacement on the market, considering that the Crunch was specifically made to be mimic the V2 sanded, but better, since they added the rev sphere. The Crunch will give you more move on the backends than the V2, and a strong finish with lots of carry.

I had a V2 sanded, and it was a great ball, then once i switched to Track, I drilled the Crunch similar to the V2 and I honestly find that the Crunch takes the cake!

I threw the ebonite player and it wasnt all that great...

For your Apex Obsession, and lack of hand, you'll find amazing resaults with the Super Freak.....the Super Freak starts rolling right off your hand..

If you wanna know more details, then just msg me.

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Re: Comparison to V2 - help please!
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2003, 04:49:08 PM »
Mr Track,

Thank you for your input.  Don't agree with your opinion about the Player and I normally don't say anything good about Ebonite, but the Player is n outstanding medium oil ball that plays down and in and also a great swing ball.  But thats my opnion.  I never threw the Crunch so I can't compare but I have two Freak Outs and there is no way I can compare a polished particle Freak Out to a sanded V2 and why would I want to sand the Freak Out down, just get a sanded ball to start with that is not a pearl.

I see TWOHAND834 also compared the Crunch to the V2.  I might have to try it myself since I like the V2 and th Player.

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Re: Comparison to V2 - help please!
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2003, 09:31:04 AM »
Nicanor...

about the player, i just didnt like it when i went to demo day.  i found the the savage flip was a better swing ball for me.

about the freak out, i never said the sand this ball, i just said that the unleashed is like the freak out, but with more surface and backend.  Also, i wasnt comparing the Freak Out to the V2.

"Sorry to say, but the phenom unleashed is NOTHING like the V2 sanded...the unleashed is truely unique....if you want to compare the Unleashed to something, it would have to be the Freak Out, but with a 1500 smooth surface."


if i were to switch out of track, i would go back to ebonite...they have good products.


try the crunch, you'll be amazed

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Re: Comparison to V2 - help please!
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2003, 10:55:36 AM »
Mr Track,

I throw almost all track myself now, slowly moving away from Lane 1.  I actually got the Unleased to compare against the Raging Inferno.  I have three Freaks, Super Freak, Mutant, two Freak outs, Voo Doo, two Easy Moneys and the old Assassin. But I use the Player as my favorite reactive dull/matte control ball and the Shooter for my medium/light ball.  But I am also working with the Raging Inferno, Inferno and soon the Blazing Inferno to compare differences in manufactuers.

I read that you said the Unleashed is unique, but neither time did you mention how it is unique.  I think with all the limitations that ABC buts on the ball, no one ball is unique anymore.

When I went to Ebonite/Hammer Demo days I also liked the savage Flip, but I liked the control and the carry of the Player better. It was just easy for me to compare the V2 and the Player because they use the SAME coverstock and the core in the V2 wasn't the strongest so it wasn't flippy in most bowlers hands.  

If I continue with Track, I will probably try the Crunch.  The one thing that concerns me about Track is that it is a Columbia coverstock and they don't hold up for anything.  but on all my new equipment I did use Doc's Elixir and the bowling balls do seem to be holding up better.

But other then spin rate, there is no way I could compare the Freak Out and the Unleashed. It might be a good one two combination with the Unleashed for med/heavy oil and the Feak Out working on med/light oil, but everybody throws the ball differently so what might work for one person, might not work for another.

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Re: Comparison to V2 - help please!
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2003, 11:22:22 PM »
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If I continue with Track, I will probably try the Crunch.  The one thing that concerns me about Track is that it is a Columbia coverstock and they don't hold up for anything.  but on all my new equipment I did use Doc's Elixir and the bowling balls do seem to be holding up better.


I will have to disagree on this statement I have a bunch of Track balls and a few Columbia balls and they all have held up quite nicely.

Columbia

Pearl Beast 1000+ Games
Aftershock   800
Red Pulse    750

Track

Heat        1000
Contender    700
Pearl Stomp  500
Hex          200

All but the Heat and Beast I still use and they work just like the day I got them.  I also have not treated them in any way outside of cleaning and polish.
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Re: Comparison to V2 - help please!
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2003, 02:27:31 AM »
nicanor.....out of your equipment, you only stated 3 reactive balls

VooDoo
Player
Inferno

I only know ebonite/hammer and track covers and cores.....i PERSONALLY dont like the player, but that's only in my hands..in someone elses hands, it would most likely be a keeper.
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Re: Comparison to V2 - help please!
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2003, 09:45:16 AM »
Mr Track,

I did only mention reactive bowling balls, but I probably have about 60 reactives and 40 particle and 10 urethane and 6 plastic. I must have had the V2 solid to compare it (and I do) but I haven't thrown the Unleashed yet, so I can't compare it to anything.

But the question was, what was/is unique about the Phenom Unleashed? I probably won't throw it till Monday, Sunday if I'm lucky, but I'm going to compare it to the Raging Inferno.

I don't think anything is unique in bowling balls anymore.  Many differences is core/coverstock combinations but the friction rate can only be so much and the hardness can only be so much and the RG also have minimum and maximum differences so I can't see how the Unleashed can be unique.  Please explain.

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Re: Comparison to V2 - help please!
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2003, 10:49:26 AM »
The V2 doesn't have a major core so its not flippy ball and the coverstock is very versatile.  I know that some can get the ball to move a ton, but I always thought is was a great control ball. I think that is one of the reasons it wsa a popular ball n tour for quite a while.  I know its being used a lot even today.

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Re: Comparison to V2 - help please!
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2003, 11:00:33 AM »
Tbill,

If you like your V2 Sanded but would like something a little more aggressive as your first ball out, have you considered the V2 Strong.  Did you get a chance to throw that ball during the demo day?  Take care....JS

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Re: Comparison to V2 - help please!
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2003, 06:23:28 PM »
JS,

They didn't have them at demo days but I seen several bowlers throw that ball and I was very impressed.  I might try one if the Unleashed doesn't work out.

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Re: Comparison to V2 - help please!
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2003, 08:46:28 AM »
nicanor,

thats alot of balls man...i know this one guy who buys like every ball...he was a good bowler, until he started to devote his money into bowling balls.
he has just as much balls as you, but his avg. is only 180.

just throw the unleashed and find out for yourself....btw, show me a core that is almost similar to the morpheus core, then i'll retract my statement about this ball being unique.
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Re: Comparison to V2 - help please!
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2003, 09:10:31 AM »
Nicanor,

I'm not Mr. Track but please let me offer some things that make the Unleashed unique.  They strengthened the MB.  If you look at the specs, it has a lower Determinator Spin time than the Phenom and possibility the lowest on the market.  They also lowered the RG differential into the .047 range.  This creates a ball that will flare less through the heads and mids, which creates length but with the stronger MB, a MUCH stronger change of direction.  The Unleashed (and Phenom) are oil balls that will open up the lane downlane and can turn the corner which is a rarity.