Author Topic: Track's new naming system(edited original post, please read) (Read 6737 times)

C-G ProShop-Carl · « **on:** June 13, 2009, 06:39:21 AM »

OK folks, I am posting this with the hopes of avoiding silly posts. Lets try to keep this as an informative thread, please.

What kind of questions do any of you have about it? Your thoughts?

I for one love this system. As a bowler and forgetting that I own a pro shop- these balls will give me all of the info on a ball that I need to know...without asking the pro shop operator.

How often as a consumer do you walk into a pro shop (and I understand that you br.com folks are very well informed, I am speaking the average bowling consumer) to purchase a particular ball reaction? There are pro shop operators out there that load up on one particular ball and that is the ball that gets pushed at everyone that comes in the shop. Well our new naming system tells the bowler everything:

Series:
5-7-9 tells us the coverstock strength. Naturally the 9 series coverstocks is the strongest, the 7 series coverstockes are next and the 5 series coverstocks are not as strong as the other series.

The second number:
This number essentially informs them of the asymmetric strength of the core. Many of us call this the "horse power" of the ball.

The letter:
A-C-T I view this as informing us of the characteristics of the coverstock on the ball. A- being angular, C- being control and T- being traction.

So the example I am going to use is the soon to be released 715A

7 is the series (which will be in roughly the same price point as our older Kinetic Line), the 15 indicates the MB strength with is .015 (strong asymmetry) and the A indicates that coverstock being more skid/flip in character.

It is without question, different than anything that any other company is doing as far as a naming structure for bowling balls. I look forward to see how it is recieved this season by bowlers.

It also allows us an advantage in the future, one I will touch on at a later date. This advantage would really promote the pro shop operator paying more attention to the bowler that they are drilling the ball for. Ultimately (as a consumer) I would want everything being done to my bowling ball to be about "ME" and how I throw a ball. Wouldn't you want a ball that you are purchasing from a pro shop to be about you, and your style of game? This can be done in more aspects than just drilling holes in it.

I hope this helps, but please do not hesitate to ask any questions that you may have.

Thanks,
-Carl
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Xcessive_Evil · « **Reply #16 on:** June 14, 2009, 07:10:59 PM »

Very good post. I didn't look at it that way, but at the same time, I know that it isn't going to look the same because of my PAP. I guess with that said, and I stress as long as both the bowler and pro shop are knowledgeable, then a drill sheet really isn't necessary.

That is pretty cool that that Track does have tech support like that. I will admit I've not taken advantage of it. I'm glad you brought up the versatility of the 505C. I have a question that I will PM to you.

Lastly, I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea. I definitely wish Track success. I've been using their equipment longer than most and want to continue doing so.

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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #17 on:** June 16, 2009, 12:19:48 PM »

In the original post I stated the number of the series indicates price point, when it is better stated that it actually gives the strength of the coverstocks in relation to the other series'.

-Carl
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with locations in:
Austintown Ohio (Wedgewood Lanes)
and
Boardman Ohio (Camelot Lanes)

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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #18 on:** June 16, 2009, 12:25:53 PM »

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Why couldn't track put "715a" on one side of the ball and a cool, catchy name on the other side.

I had the same exact thought. You need a good, catchy, marketable name that people can remember, but you also need a good way to differentiate between the many balls they offer. This would solve both problems in my opinion.

Xcessive_Evil · « **Reply #19 on:** June 16, 2009, 07:00:10 PM »

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Why couldn't track put "715a" on one side of the ball and a cool, catchy name on the other side.
I had the same exact thought. You need a good, catchy, marketable name that people can remember, but you also need a good way to differentiate between the many balls they offer. This would solve both problems in my opinion.

I agree also. I may not be too fond of the name scheme, but out of the line coming out, I will be giving the 505C a try. This will dictate whether or not my next product will be from Track or Ebo. I'm really impressed with their medium line.
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pnj1967 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 16, 2009, 07:10:00 PM »

To "me" the name doesn't mean any thing. The numbers are what is important to me .

Carl has given a good explanation . I cant wait for the 715A, and the Spare ball.
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kidlost2000 · « **Reply #21 on:** June 16, 2009, 07:26:22 PM »

It is an ok idea that I don't think will work or last very long.

But it would probably be better if instead of the MB rating have a more basic system and rate your cores on a scale of 1-10 or 90-99 for core strength.

The Rising core would be the strongest lets say a 10 so you would have it in the 9 series of balls because its the high performance. Say it has the Rising SE cover which would be an A maybe???

So it would be 910A

High series of ball the 9, strong core 10, skid snap cove/angular A.(big b uses SS so I guess that option is out)

The Tantrum would be like a 505A?? Midline ball, medium aggressive core, and angular cover.(for me it was)

Having the MB doesn't mean much for most bowlers and as someone drilling a ball I don't put a lot into it because it will change by the time you put some holes in it to be something different. I'm more concerned with getting the other weights where they need to be and proper weight holes where needed for maximum performance.

The spare ball would be a 301C

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It would be a little more easy for a larger group of people to understand what it is.

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dw23 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 16, 2009, 08:45:56 PM »

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To "me" the name doesn't mean any thing. The numbers are what is important to me .

Carl has given a good explanation . I cant wait for the 715A, and the Spare ball.
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I totally agree with this statement. I didn't really like any of the first releases except the UpRising but I look forward to trying some of the new stuff.

I don't remember the Cell having much appeal until people started winning with it and then everyone wanted one. It is not the pretty ball on the shelf nor is the name cool. But if a ball works and wins bowlers will by it. If the colors are good casual bowlers will buy it regardless of the name.

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MC · « **Reply #23 on:** June 16, 2009, 10:53:45 PM »

I am on the fence with this one. I see the idea behind the numbers. I like it. I understand the "hesitance" that some have expressed. There are alot of our fellow bowlers that don't understand covers and cores. This idea was brought up in Global's forum, and Phil's idea for why he did not "like" the idea of numerical naming system was that so much of bowling is number based, ie: 300, 800 etc. So with that in mind who is going to want a 510 ball, since that is a lower series total. I understand and see that. BUT it works for a lot of products, BMW, Porsche, Boeing, why not bowling balls?
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Xcessive_Evil · « **Reply #24 on:** June 16, 2009, 11:08:58 PM »

Though I do not like the names, nor the idea behind it, I've gotten past it. I'm going to see what the 505 does this weekend. And that will decide what I intend on doing with Tracks' future products.
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Billy Ray · « **Reply #25 on:** June 17, 2009, 08:24:16 AM »

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Though I do not like the names, nor the idea behind it, I've gotten past it. I'm going to see what the 505 does this weekend. And that will decide what I intend on doing with Tracks' future products.
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My guess is you will really enjoy the reaction and the versatility. Having 2 of them I was really impressed that a lower priced performance ball can be this good. It's my favorite and first ball out of the bag right now. The 715A's should be in soon for the staff members and I know I am really looking forward to them as alot of us have already thrown them.
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tenpinspro · « **Reply #26 on:** June 17, 2009, 02:26:07 PM »

After watching all the feedback, I'd figure I'd throw in my 2cents.

Been talking to Carl about this subject the last few days and I personally like it. From a pro shop guy's perspective(and I think for knowledgeable bowlers), it helps us know what the ball is (in regards to ball's performance strength "and" mb strength) so I don't have to go thru endless amounts of paperwork/drill sheets to find info when I'm looking at a customers old ball and layout to compare to.

I also respect and understand Juggernaut's comment on the "Cool Factor" but honestly, my customers don't even call a Black Widow by name, it's known more so as the "Spider" ball (black one, red/blk one or grey). So honestly, the occasional bowler has left the name out as is, "they" made it obsolete.

The other comment I would like to bring to light is whether or not we are leaving the recreational bowler behind, I don't think so. If anything, this will bring awareness to the shop driller and customer because now the shop has to at least make an attempt to define what mass bias is and then explain what it does. If your driller does not or cannot do this for you, you shouldn't be in that shop to begin with. Poor service and lack of knowledge is what makes for bad layouts and match ups which in turn can create a bad reaction. A bad reaction will cause a bowler to put blame on the ball and company which is not necessarily the case.

Every manufacturer makes good pieces (been saying this for years), it's a matter of matching the right ball for the condition and then also matching a layout desired to help create the proper reaction needed per individual bowler.

Let me propose one question, would you rather have a piece that works with a "name" you don't like or a piece that has a "cool" name but not effective? I am biased in this arena as I am numb to names as everybody has run out of ideas and there are only so many different words in our English language we can utilize. Track "is" a tech company and this is a step in the right direction.
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kidlost2000 · « **Reply #27 on:** July 08, 2009, 02:38:37 PM »

Most shops have the ball talker cards/displays that has the balls weights, RG, Diffs and MB ratings. You would be better promoting that then putting it in the name.

Plus since Ebonite makes all of the same equipment they could go across the board for Columbia, Hammer, Ebonite, and Track with this new naming system and we could compare over half of the market in bowling balls equally.

Then your wouldn't need 4 different companies names and logos you could just combine it to one. It all comes from the same place, and same people.

THEC presents the 1000, 3000, 5000, and 7000 series.

(extra numbers for extra meanings if needed)

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