Post by: Ghost on December 18, 2005, 11:58:59 PM
This past saturday I purchased a 15.2 lbs., Top 2.5, 4" Pin Rule Delta 1, and a friend of mine bought a Lane # 1 H2O Buzzaw, almost same specs.
I noticed the h2o has the pin, cg and offset nugget marks almost "in line" , maybe this pic explains this better:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/Alenquer/Bowling/H2O.jpg
In my Delta the pin,cg and mb forms a "triangle", being the cg mark on the left side here´s the pic :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/Alenquer/Bowling/RuleDelta1.jpg
My question is:
Is this correct, or the cg is mismarked ?
I read the famous "cgnomaddah" threads, but I really need your help on this ball, if it's not good, I will return the ball to the pro shop.
If there's no problem I will keep this baby, I like it a lot !!
By the way, I thought about drilling it pin below fingers, cg in palm, MB on position 2 of Track's sheet,no balance hole if possible,I'm right handed,track high, med. revs. and maybe like 18 of speed, I haven't measured my pap, what do you think about this layout ?
Thanks in advance
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Post by: Slopsurprise on December 19, 2005, 08:07:24 AM
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Post by: Jeffrevs on December 19, 2005, 08:18:15 AM
in a strong mass bias ball like the Delta1 you ignore the CG when drilling....put the mass bias where you want it ....then afterwards figure out where you are for weights, then drill a hole if needed.
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Post by: Slopsurprise on December 19, 2005, 08:32:14 AM
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no it doesn't limit your drilling options......
in a strong mass bias ball like the Delta1 you ignore the CG when drilling....put the mass bias where you want it ....then afterwards figure out where you are for weights, then drill a hole if needed.
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JEFF
"A Mayhem and a couple of Hercs.......uhm.....Nice!.."
hmmmm....interesting. Not to hijack this thread but, if you put the pin and MB where you want it and the CG is on the left side of your center line if you are a right hander, wouldnt that work against the rest of the ball? Or, is there a creative place to put a hole to combat that??
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Post by: Jeffrevs on December 19, 2005, 08:39:44 AM
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no it doesn't limit your drilling options......
in a strong mass bias ball like the Delta1 you ignore the CG when drilling....put the mass bias where you want it ....then afterwards figure out where you are for weights, then drill a hole if needed.
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JEFF
"A Mayhem and a couple of Hercs.......uhm.....Nice!.."
hmmmm....interesting. Not to hijack this thread but, if you put the pin and MB where you want it and the CG is on the left side of your center line if you are a right hander, wouldnt that work against the rest of the ball? Or, is there a creative place to put a hole to combat that??
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Nothing hits like a Hammer!!
Yea.....nothing hits that bad!!!
He wants MB position number two...sharp break point....that'll be to the right of his thumb...shouldn't be any issues.
Ignore the CG on strong mass bias balls
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JEFF
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Post by: clintdaley on December 19, 2005, 08:50:04 AM
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Post by: Ghost on December 19, 2005, 09:06:48 AM
Thanks again
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Post by: Ghost on December 19, 2005, 09:09:03 AM
It does not matter ? LOL
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Post by: clintdaley on December 19, 2005, 09:19:03 AM
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Post by: clintdaley on December 19, 2005, 09:20:49 AM
Clint
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on December 19, 2005, 09:23:09 AM
Everyone is correct in what they have said......cg does not matter on this ball.....HOWEVER----if you place it negative and you wish to alter reaction via a weighthole you will not have that option.
The CG is not mismarked....that is just how some of them end up being after production. The ball is not a blem.
Personally if I were having someone drill that ball for me I would have the pro shop operator play around with possible layouts that can keep the ball with some positive side weight. I feel this way because I love the option of placing a weighthole in a ball. In order to accomplish this you may need to have the MB slightly futher right than you were expecting----------this is not a bad thing for the Delta......because you can place the MB further right of your thumb and it will still backend very well (which sounds like what you are wanting the ball to do).
If you have any other questions, let me know. We did get that Rule working pretty well for ya
-Carl
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Post by: Ghost on December 19, 2005, 09:37:26 AM
Hey Carl, the Rule works great ! But the Cg on the Rule is opposite to the Delta's, it's on the right of pin and MB, here's a pic :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/Alenquer/Bowling/NLRule5.jpg
And yes, I want kick in the backend
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Post by: tenpinspro on December 19, 2005, 01:07:27 PM
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CG is mismarked or it's that different manufacturers mark the balls different.
Hey Ghost,
The guys are correct in their definitions. But as Excaliber stated, it may limit your patterns some as you may not want to shift to the negative side of the ball when drilling.
Track balls are pre-spun from the factory to find the true mass bias and that's why you may some of the balls with pin-cg-mb not in alignment. Correct me if I'm wrong but I read somewhere here on BR that Brunswick (which produces Lane 1) attaches a riser pin directly from the center of their mass bias extending to the surface of a ball which shows the center of the mass but may or may not truly be the mass bias after the curing process. Some weight blocks shift during the curing process of a ball causing the actual weights to shift as well. Hope this helps explain some....
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Post by: Ghost on December 20, 2005, 08:48:17 AM
Last night I drilled the ball, after a good talking with the driller, we made this layout :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/Alenquer/Bowling/RuleDeltaDrill.jpg
I suppose (I'm not expert LOL) that I will have good control, but a nice kick in the backend, opinions ?
I didn't have the chance to test the drill, but I will try to do it to tell you the results.
Thanks in advance.
P.D. Thanks Carl
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Post by: chitown on December 20, 2005, 09:20:39 AM
Post by: Matt Fortney on December 20, 2005, 09:39:11 AM
most of the other track mb balls that i've seen have had the "line" just that...a line. is there some reason for this in the delta 1 specifically? just curious.
matt
Post by: Ghost on December 20, 2005, 09:50:57 AM
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you know i've probably seen about 5 delta 1's in person, and every single one of them seems to have the cg way outside the "line" formed by the pin and mb. whether it's to the left or to the right, that varied, but i have yet to see one in line.
In my Rule the CG mark is on the right, on the Delta is on the left, I assume that CG "nomaddah" in these balls. LOL.
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Post by: Jeffrevs on December 20, 2005, 10:34:46 AM
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you know i've probably seen about 5 delta 1's in person, and every single one of them seems to have the cg way outside the "line" formed by the pin and mb. whether it's to the left or to the right, that varied, but i have yet to see one in line.
In my Rule the CG mark is on the right, on the Delta is on the left, I assume that CG "nomaddah" in these balls. LOL.
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how many guys do you need to tell you the same thing ? drill it, the ball is fine!
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Post by: Ghost on December 21, 2005, 08:37:49 PM
I appreciate a lot all people's responses to this topic
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Post by: shelley on December 21, 2005, 09:06:59 PM
It seems to me that having the CG out of line will only limit your options in certain circumstances. I can see how that Delta One would be difficult to lay out for a lefty. If you wanted the MB in the #2 or #3 position, the size of the weight hole would be astounding. I haven't seen many out of line the other way, since they'd be almost impossible to drill for a righty (and hence would have a tiny market).
SH
Post by: Ghost on December 21, 2005, 09:19:15 PM
As I've been told the way I drilled the Delta will have a strong breakpoint and good backend, I have not tested it yet, but I think it will work right --------------------
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Post by: shelley on December 21, 2005, 10:02:09 PM
However, as with the Brunswick vids this past summer, some of the drillings required a weight hole and I don't know how that affected the reaction. A buddy of mine has an AU where the CG is out of like like your Delta One and going by the pin/CG, it's almost a label drill while going pin/MB it's more of an early-roll drill with the MB out near the VAL. Guess what type of reaction he gets. Early, smooth rolling.
SH
Post by: Jeffrevs on December 22, 2005, 06:05:57 AM
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Hey Jeff, the ball is already drilled, I posted a pic on 12/19/2005 10:37 AM , you can see it 5 post before this one, my last post was just to share with Chitown and Mfortney, don't get angry
I appreciate a lot all people's responses to this topic
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I wasn't angry ......and I mis-read it in the first place ...sorry about that....looks like all is well then.....hope it works out
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JEFF
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Post by: chitown on December 22, 2005, 06:58:36 AM
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Hey Jeff, the ball is already drilled, I posted a pic on 12/19/2005 10:37 AM , you can see it 5 post before this one, my last post was just to share with Chitown and Mfortney, don't get angry
I appreciate a lot all people's responses to this topic
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Your ball is going to be strong with a huge backend. I have 2 Delata 1's and both have out of line cg's. They really don't matter with asymmetrical balls. I like the layout you have on yours. The Delta that I have dulled has the cg on the grip line in the palm and the mb is kicked further right than your about 2" more right. Plus I have the pin under my ring finger. This one for me has a strong arc to it.
My second Delta has the cg about 1/2" right of the grip line with the mb in about the same position as yours but my pin on that ball is above my ring. This Delta I have polished with magic shine and has a monster backend to it. A lot more than my other Delta.
I feel your will have a strong backend to it. Let me know how it works for you.
Post by: chitown on December 22, 2005, 07:02:33 AM
Post by: Ghost on December 22, 2005, 09:10:22 PM
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I wasn't angry ......and I mis-read it in the first place ...sorry about that....looks like all is well then.....hope it works out
It's all fine Jeff, thanks for your response and good wishes
Hey Chi, looks like you have two monster Deltas right there !
Thanks again guys, you're great !
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