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Blackphantom1985

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kinetic wobbles
« on: May 22, 2008, 01:30:33 PM »
ok i know maybe a track staffer can help me on this one.. but ive had my kinetic for about 3 months went got it cleaned tonight put it on the alley and all this thing did was wobble down the alley like it had a flat tire or something the cover is mint and there no chips or cracks in the ball.. Is it possible that the core cracked or broke inside making the ball move irractic.. i pulled out my other ball and they were fine?? i need help with this one
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Re: kinetic wobbles
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2008, 09:26:56 AM »
were you playing a different line with this ball then the others? it might have been the lanes. i know at the center i bowl at, on lane 15 about 40-43 ft down the lane right about the 8-10 board its not level and if your ball hits it it will jump about 2" and ruin your shot.
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Blackphantom1985

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Re: kinetic wobbles
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2008, 09:35:23 AM »
i was bowling on a different set of lanes but the kinetic is the only one that would jump the rising was smooth the vibe was smooth i first i thought well damn just the lanes are flooded but this is the only ball that jumped around
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Re: kinetic wobbles
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2008, 10:11:16 AM »
Another thing it could be is what your proshop operator cleaned the junk off your ball with. If he used acetone and pushed it in with an Abralon Pad he may have just killed your ball.
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Re: kinetic wobbles
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2008, 10:33:41 AM »
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Another thing it could be is what your proshop operator cleaned the junk off your ball with. If he used acetone and pushed it in with an Abralon Pad he may have just killed your ball.
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how should that be possible?

aceton evaporates real fast... and "pushing" it in with an abralon????? Not possible... it it is more possible that the surface has changed

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Re: kinetic wobbles
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2008, 10:46:06 AM »
Acetone is absolutely terrible for your bowling ball. I cannot remember Ron Hickland's exact explanation of what happens but it has something to do with plastecizers and actually makes your ball more brittle. It basically turns it into a urethane ball I think. I just know I don't let the stuff touch my equipment.

Blackphantom,

Please provide a better description of "jump around" and "wobble". Was the ball leaving the lane surface or was the reaction just different than before.
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« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2008, 10:47:38 AM »
Yes acetone evaporates quickly. But, it can make a ball so it won't absorb any oil. I'm not a chemist so I can not give you all the technical terms. but I do know acetone is horrible for a bowling ball. Ebonite has proven this, if you want more details on what acetone can do to a ball get a hold of Ron Hickland Jr. at Ebonite.
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Blackphantom1985

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Re: kinetic wobbles
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2008, 11:03:15 AM »
ok the best explaination i can give for what i saw is if you picture rolling a ball is a straight line it would move 2 boards to the left 2 boards back to the right it wasnt a smooth arc..  its hard to explain i should go video tape it this weekend or something.  or if you vibrate something how it shakes thats what the ball was doing
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« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2008, 11:18:07 AM »
Basically, like the ball was trying to hook a few different times? Sounds like a surface issue unless you can actually hear the ball making noise, we have to assume it was in contact with the lane surface. Since the only change that was made was ball surface, it has to be that. I would hope acetone wasn't used, then maybe have him start at a 500 pad, to 1000, to 2000 and then apply factory polish and this should get you to as close as possible to the OOB finish as you can get. See if this helps the reaction any.
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Re: kinetic wobbles
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2008, 12:20:43 PM »
will try im gonna go up thre tonight and have him redue the ball surface useually he cleans it and its nice and polished i thought it looked a lil different...  I do have a question though without a ball spinner how can i clean the rubber marks off and polish the ball to get the factory shine and tackness
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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2008, 12:24:54 PM »
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will try im gonna go up thre tonight and have him redue the ball surface useually he cleans it and its nice and polished i thought it looked a lil different...  I do have a question though without a ball spinner how can i clean the rubber marks off and polish the ball to get the factory shine and tackness


Any of the modern cleaners out there will take the marks off of the ball. Personally, I use Clean 'n Dull. The name is a little misleading because it does not actually dull the ball. Polished equipment remains polished while dull balls will remain dull. I have used this on all of my Track equipment with great success.
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« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2008, 12:36:09 PM »
Clean n' Dull is great. It is a gel like I said in a prior post, just put it on with a dry towel and wipe it off with a damp one. It will get those marks off and I believe it is approved for use during USBC competition as are most Powerhouse cleaners, so you would be allowed to use it unless the league or tournament has a specific rule forbidding it.
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« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2008, 02:27:51 PM »
Was the ball polished after the cleaning?
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Blackphantom1985

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Re: kinetic wobbles
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2008, 02:50:05 PM »
nope
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« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2008, 02:53:38 PM »
Did he use just the pad to clean the ball or was a cleaner/acetone/liquid/etc applied to the ball? Sounds to me like the ball was burning up on your because it was left dull. Surface adjustments make a huge difference is ball motion.
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Re: kinetic wobbles
« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2008, 06:13:20 PM »
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Acetone is absolutely terrible for your bowling ball.


If you soak the ball in acetone, yes. Otherwise, no. Just cleaning a few spots on the ball will most defintiely not kill the ball. I would not suggest regular cleaning with acetone, but virtually EVRERY pro shop uses it.

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 I cannot remember Ron Hickland's exact explanation of what happens but it has something to do with plastecizers and actually makes your ball more brittle. It basically turns it into a urethane ball I think. ...
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There is no MAGIC in applying or using acetone it's just like any other chemical.

Acetone is used up when it interacts with the plastic in a bowling ball. Urethane, polyester and resin all belong to the family of plastics. When the acetone, actually an extremely simple compound, reacts with resin, the acetone is used up EXTREMELY quickly. Besides being used up, a lot evaporates before it even gets a chance to be used up in the chemical reaction.

The amount of acetone needed to turn a resin ball into urethane is beyond your ability to pick up or to contain.

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If you don't understand the nature of the chemical reaction, someone you believe can say anything and you'll take it for fact.
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