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Title: no more numbering system?
Post by: Dave81644 on April 26, 2015, 09:22:00 AM
couple new pieces don't have the numbers...
interesting change.
i used alot of the early numbered pieces and i could follow it for the most part until the 9 series stuff was weaker than the 7 series
but, the 5 and 7 series stuff was some great pieces
505t and 715t especially, for me anyways
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: EL3MCNEIL on April 26, 2015, 10:28:59 AM
What ball are you talking about?
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: Dave81644 on April 26, 2015, 10:44:00 AM
cant say at the moment, got a sneak peak at some new releases from EBI
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: kidlost2000 on April 26, 2015, 12:49:18 PM
Wasnt a fan of the number system but the current system seems even worst. Change would be good
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: billdozer on April 26, 2015, 01:18:30 PM
I liked the original numbering.  It seemed like it got worse as time went on...that 811ct and that first 16 ball were the only 2 good HP balls they had..

If u can't sell the high end ones you're in trouble
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: EL3MCNEIL on April 26, 2015, 01:20:50 PM
I honestly feel that just giving the ball a name or have a "line" or "series" name and work with that. It seems like it would be easier for the customer when looking for new equipment.

Always remember K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid)
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: tkkshop on April 26, 2015, 03:27:35 PM
Track will no longer use the numbering system. Which is a good thing imo.
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: EL3MCNEIL on April 26, 2015, 03:49:59 PM
Track will no longer use the numbering system. Which is a good thing imo.

Do you by chance know if they are going to go back to a conventional names or will they be making another system?
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: tkkshop on April 26, 2015, 05:26:28 PM
My 2 local Track guys said they will use conventional names. As soon as some beans are spilled on what, I'll pass the info on.
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: EL3MCNEIL on April 26, 2015, 05:44:45 PM
My 2 local Track guys said they will use conventional names. As soon as some beans are spilled on what, I'll pass the info on.

Thanks
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: Ratt_bowling on April 26, 2015, 07:17:53 PM
I also heard this from the Track staffer at my Pro Shop.
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: Perfect Approach Pro Shop on April 27, 2015, 11:26:02 AM
     My Track sales have been pretty much non-existent since they went to the numbering system. Maybe this will help sales IMO, I think Track has the best of the 4 EBI brands. Had the best success with the 508A.
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: Dave81644 on April 27, 2015, 12:29:14 PM
     My Track sales have been pretty much non-existent since they went to the numbering system. Maybe this will help sales IMO, I think Track has the best of the 4 EBI brands. Had the best success with the 508A.

can you compare the current tour sic to the old numbering system for me?
i had used Track almost exclusively for a while, then the 900 series stuff came out and it seemed that they were losing their way or ran out of numbers..
ventured over to Hammer, Columbia and Ebonite since then, have no track to speak of, except my trusty old 505T
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: SVstar34 on April 27, 2015, 12:52:46 PM
     My Track sales have been pretty much non-existent since they went to the numbering system. Maybe this will help sales IMO, I think Track has the best of the 4 EBI brands. Had the best success with the 508A.

can you compare the current tour sic to the old numbering system for me?
i had used Track almost exclusively for a while, then the 900 series stuff came out and it seemed that they were losing their way or ran out of numbers..
ventured over to Hammer, Columbia and Ebonite since then, have no track to speak of, except my trusty old 505T


I'm not completely sure, I'd almost put it as being 400 C/T
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: MPaine82 on April 27, 2015, 02:21:39 PM
I have no heard of this going away from the numbers bit... As far as the Tour SiC going off this little chart I would say putting a number on it would like a 700CT or something in that area. The LX05 if I remember correctly is almost like a 505t...
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: rvmark on April 27, 2015, 08:45:00 PM
I have had success with Track over the past 4 seasons and still keep my 300C Pearl in the bag along with a Tour X. 

Mark
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: loose5682 on April 28, 2015, 09:55:57 AM
The numbering system is still in play to a point...

HX (high rev), MX (medium rev), and LX (low rev) refer to the style of bowler that the ball is intended to roll better for

05, 10, and 16 still refer to the strength of the intermediate differential (Mass Bias) of the ball

There will still be releases outside of this system (Tour X, Tour SiC) which will serve the purpose of the "limited edition" balls of the past, like the 400A and 607A

Hopefully this helps!  If you have any more questions, please let me know!
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: kidlost2000 on April 28, 2015, 10:11:58 AM
Isnt it a bad idea to have a ball listed for a high rev medium rev or low rev player? Why limit a ball or bowler on something they can use.
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: EL3MCNEIL on April 28, 2015, 11:15:21 AM
Isnt it a bad idea to have a ball listed for a high rev medium rev or low rev player? Why limit a ball or bowler on something they can use.

I'd have to agree. Putting a label like that could dissuade someone from purchasing a ball because they believe that it's not meant for them. But at the same time that labeling method does offer the bowler additional information that could be of use to them.
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: JS on April 28, 2015, 11:24:26 AM
Isnt it a bad idea to have a ball listed for a high rev medium rev or low rev player? Why limit a ball or bowler on something they can use.

I'd have to agree. Putting a label like that could dissuade someone from purchasing a ball because they believe that it's not meant for them. But at the same time that labeling method does offer the bowler additional information that could be of use to them.

I agree.  I think they were going after "smart bowling types" but missed out on the majority of the bowling world.  For instance I told my wife she should try an HX05 and she kept insisting that the LX16/10/05 should be for her because she didn't have high revs (but she was rev dominant because of her speed).  If anything, I preferred the numbering name scheme better than the high/medium/low rev than they currently have.
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: kidlost2000 on April 28, 2015, 11:39:30 AM
Any of those balls can be used for any bowler depending on the condition and desired reaction.  Putting the int diff in the ball name is useless because smart and dumb bowlers alike have no idea what it means.  Most proshops arent much better.

When tournament bowlers put together a track arsenal are they limiting their self based on a name or will they be smart enough to look past it like others as well.
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: SVstar34 on April 28, 2015, 11:48:54 AM
Isnt it a bad idea to have a ball listed for a high rev medium rev or low rev player? Why limit a ball or bowler on something they can use.

It was a somewhat interesting experiment,  but I saw too many people that focused on the name instead of looking at the actual strength of each ball.

From weakest to strongest from what I saw and rolled:

HX05, MX05, HX10, LX05, MX10, HX16, LX10, MX16, LX16
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: soonerdallas on April 30, 2015, 06:17:07 PM
If there going away from the number system any chance the 3 new balls are the ones on the April approved ball list. Power machine, freak out, and exception 6.0 maybe try and make a splash with some updated remakes. I doubt it but it would be awesome!
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: northface28 on April 30, 2015, 06:18:46 PM
If there going away from the number system any chance the 3 new balls are the ones on the April approved ball list. Power machine, freak out, and exception 6.0 maybe try and make a splash with some updated remakes. I doubt it but it would be awesome!

I tell you what, if they re-make the Freak Out, I'm all over it.
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: soonerdallas on April 30, 2015, 06:33:51 PM
My first 800 was with a freak out. And I loved the exception and power machine. It would be cool if it happened!
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: northface28 on April 30, 2015, 06:43:17 PM
My first 800 was with a freak out. And I loved the exception and power machine. It would be cool if it happened!

Power Machine and Freak Out had cult followings, makes sense using those names to jumpstart the brand again.
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: EL3MCNEIL on April 30, 2015, 07:58:01 PM
If they brought back the Xception, they would have my money faster that I could withdraw it.
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: kidlost2000 on April 30, 2015, 09:06:55 PM
I loved Track when it was made in San Antonio
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: billdozer on April 30, 2015, 10:43:07 PM
I loved Track when it was made in San Antonio

This^
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: tkkshop on May 02, 2015, 09:34:43 AM
What does Track call it's followers?
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: billdozer on May 02, 2015, 10:06:31 AM
Legion
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: billdozer on May 02, 2015, 10:09:11 AM
I can't believe everyone is too sissy to let the cat out of the bag
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: tkkshop on May 02, 2015, 10:14:54 AM
Anybody like the 607a?
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: billdozer on May 02, 2015, 10:16:01 AM
Lol
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: tkkshop on May 02, 2015, 10:19:28 AM
Combine your answer to my first question with the 607a and you have the next release.
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: SVstar34 on May 02, 2015, 11:49:30 AM
Combine your answer to my first question with the 607a and you have the next release.

I've always wanted to throw a 607A so I'm interested
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: billdozer on May 02, 2015, 11:53:13 AM
Temper tantrum, perfect for these crybabies with 500 rpms that can't hit a THS!
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: kidlost2000 on May 02, 2015, 11:58:13 AM
Combine your answer to my first question with the 607a and you have the next release.

Same core slightly new cover and the MB rating not in the title? Track Temper^2
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: EL3MCNEIL on May 02, 2015, 12:37:56 PM
Guessing games get annoying once they reach a certain point. We will find out once someone leaks it on here or another site, or just wait until it's released.
Title: Re: no more numbering system?
Post by: tkkshop on May 02, 2015, 02:24:32 PM
Legion. It has the Legion core and same color combo 607a. Was told it was a complete remake. Also, a Tour X solid.