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jhutch769

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Ok, here it is *RISING VIDEO*
« on: October 25, 2007, 02:56:57 PM »
http://media.putfile.com/The-Rising

I threw the first 18 shots on our THS and the last 20 shots on the SHark pattern.

I ran lane number four with the shark pattern twice, then ran the house pattern on number 3 twice..  I think I ended up with too much oil in the brush because 3 was not reacting like it normally does..  I tested a few shots on 1 afterwards and there was a ton more backend and a lot more room to swing the ball..

We laid the ball out of the recommended drilling from the box and left the cover in box condition.  I threw the ball 3 games on Wednesday night, cleaned it, then took the videos...

So far, I am liking what I see.  We drilled one for a fellow employee, same drill, strong backend motion.  We will be getting a few more in, I think my dad will be doing one and one of my teammates is going to get one..  So I will let you know what they think and what drills they use when they get them..

Any questions/comments, let me know / pm me here..
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Re: Ok, here it is *RISING VIDEO*
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2007, 12:04:52 AM »
Looks good but, it sure looks like it dosent have the continuation to play deeper than 3rd or 4th arrow. I have seen a few videos of it and it looks like it quits unless, you are playing straight up or a small bump. Thanks for the video but, between the few videos of it I have seen, it looks bland and it dosent seem to do anything special.
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Re: Ok, here it is *RISING VIDEO*
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2007, 01:42:34 AM »
I was surprised when I threw it today..  It reacted totally different than it did wed night...   I should have taken a few videos of it on lanes 1-2, but was pretty tired by the end of my session..
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Re: Ok, here it is *RISING VIDEO*
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2007, 06:07:53 AM »
seemed like you were leaving a lot of splits
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Re: Ok, here it is *RISING VIDEO*
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2007, 09:49:40 AM »
^^^^

1) It's not "totally new" technology. The 360 drilling has been around for a while; nobody has really used it though. Of course, you will say, but the core, the core, the core! Well, it's not "totally new" either. It's bigger, yes. And it has a large mass bias, yes. But that doesn't make it "totally new"...

2) "Once everyone learns the ins and outs"...and I love your saying the other drillings will really help...how long do you think it will be until everyone learns the ins and outs, given the brand's hesitance to release the other drillings? Oh, yes, some pro shops can join the Fast Tracker thing...but that's not exactly allowing bowlers to understand the product. If you want to talk about how your technology is going to revolutionize drillings/balls, show me at least a bit of non-marketing ridden, technical evidence.

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Re: Ok, here it is *RISING VIDEO*
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2007, 10:52:40 AM »
I sincerely hope you weren't trying to mock me with the "burning curiosities" comment.

What I meant was that, rather than just say "oh, this ball's technology will do X for your game and the sport," what if you said, "oh, this ball's technology will do X for your game and the sport, because of Y." You could then go on to say, "see, we have this chart/graph/something of our testing, and this clearly shows X." Obviously, I'm assuming that you have something like this, and that the folks at Track didn't just throw some stuff together and say, "wow, look what this ball does."

I've been to trackbowling.com -- the one subject most closely connected to the 360 degree drilling ended with the standard "No. 1 is the best for the majority of bowlers" comment.

Why the need to keep drilling layouts secret? What is the reason for this? Does it help anybody? I don't understand why a company would do this -- it puts the educated bowler/driller off, and it further prevents people from understanding a company's ball technology.

Just my .02 cents.
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Re: Ok, here it is *RISING VIDEO*
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2007, 11:10:43 AM »
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1) It's not "totally new" technology. The 360 drilling has been around for a while; nobody has really used it though. Of course, you will say, but the core, the core, the core! Well, it's not "totally new" either. It's bigger, yes. And it has a large mass bias, yes. But that doesn't make it "totally new"...



360* has been around for a little bit, yes.  I'm curious as to why you think nobody has really used it.  As for the core...You're right.  I'm going to say "The Core".  It is totally new.  7+ pounds of single density core has never been used.  The shape of the core has never been used.  No variations of the core have ever been used.  Therefore...I'm going to stick to "totally new"

 
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2) "Once everyone learns the ins and outs"...and I love your saying the other drillings will really help...how long do you think it will be until everyone learns the ins and outs, given the brand's hesitance to release the other drillings? Oh, yes, some pro shops can join the Fast Tracker thing...but that's not exactly allowing bowlers to understand the product. If you want to talk about how your technology is going to revolutionize drillings/balls, show me at least a bit of non-marketing ridden, technical evidence.
 


Everyone has the opportunity to learn about this ball.  Yes, Fast Track is the easy way to do it.  However, if you and everyone else would come over and visit us at trackbowling.com, there is plenty of information available and help for bowlers of all levels.  As far as the "non-marketing ridden" comment, are you suggesting that manufacturers shouldn't market their new releases?  Should they just make the ball and release it with no announcements, no ball talkers, no demo days?  What type of technical evidence would you like to see?  Lane #1 has their physics report.  Are you suggesting that we should do the same?  I'd really like to see your burning curiosities satisfied.
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sir,  i think he and many others are interested in the TOP SECRET drillings that track keeps talking about.  you know,  get the CODE.

a few people have told me,  that when they asked track about it,  they where told, "go to a seminar".   thats rather crude!!!

so to me,  i believe that is the so called technical support some are talking about.

you want pro shops to sell your ball, and hopefully drill it properly.
then release the codes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
at this time of the year sir!!!!!  it may not be possible for all pro shops to close and attend a seminar.  you see,  some have customers to take care of!!!

this is not june/july!!!!!!

from reading many , many many post on this site about this ball,  i must say that many of the things we heard,  are not coming true.  such as 1-2" pins etc.

yesterday i heard from another pro shop, who said that his dist. told him, that if he gets a rising with a longer pin,  it is a defect.  now that is simply not true,  yet, this is what some have been hearing.
that is not good!!!!

yesterday we drilled a rising with a 5"pin,  a little off the targeted specs:

no problem>>>> ball was a monster.   thanks carl and rick.

but a few pro shops that i have talked to,  are getting fed up with this fast track,  code stuff.  you want pro shops to sell your balls????????????

give them the info and stop playing secret agent man!!!!!!!!!!!!

next week,  we are going to a seminar.   so we don't want to hear, that their is no code at the seminar!!!!!!

pro shops are too busy at this time of the year,  stop playing games and release the info needed for drilling.  and let the pro shops decide for themselves,  which drilling will suit their customers.

all you seem to be doing so far, is making a big project out of this ball.
keep it up, and pro shops will simply not sell them.  to much confusion about the drillings.

if a guy gets one drilled a-sym,  and leaves a 10 pin,  some 220 hot shot will look at his ball and tell him,  "its drilled wrong"  " not drilled according to the drill sheet"  and now,  mr average bowler believes his brand new $200 ball is screwed up.  why, cause he left a 10 pin!!!!

the attitude shift is coming sir,  and its very driller friendly.

and when you ask storm a question,  their tech support people, answer it.
and they don't say>>>>"go to a seminar".

pro shops know that there are so many QUALITY balls on the market right now.
so stop playing secret agent man, or you may find out that some pro shops will simply not recommend this ball.  i allready know of a few that have said that!!!





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Edited on 10/26/2007 11:12 AM
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Re: Ok, here it is *RISING VIDEO*
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2007, 11:19:49 AM »
omg, I agree with jls...is the world ending?
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Re: Ok, here it is *RISING VIDEO*
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2007, 11:22:02 AM »
quote:
I sincerely hope you weren't trying to mock me with the "burning curiosities" comment.

What I meant was that, rather than just say "oh, this ball's technology will do X for your game and the sport," what if you said, "oh, this ball's technology will do X for your game and the sport, because of Y." You could then go on to say, "see, we have this chart/graph/something of our testing, and this clearly shows X." Obviously, I'm assuming that you have something like this, and that the folks at Track didn't just throw some stuff together and say, "wow, look what this ball does."

I've been to trackbowling.com -- the one subject most closely connected to the 360 degree drilling ended with the standard "No. 1 is the best for the majority of bowlers" comment.

Why the need to keep drilling layouts secret? What is the reason for this? Does it help anybody? I don't understand why a company would do this -- it puts the educated bowler/driller off, and it further prevents people from understanding a company's ball technology.

Just my .02 cents.



well said sir,

and if they keep this up,  why would some small pro shop want to risk drilling their "secret agent balls"  for he might drill a 4" pin using the #1 layout,  and then when the bowler leaves a 10 pin,  he will be told, by mr, know it all,
that his ball is "drilled wrong"  cause as we all know,  only 1-2" pins should be drilled this way<  right?????

sometimes i wonder,  do any of this tech people,  really get out and see what really goes on in a real pro shop, with real bowlers as customers?

get a code>>> please

you see,  real bowlers who BUY these balls with their hard earned money,  can not afford to buy 3 or 4 of them and have them drilled up differently.
so they would like it DONE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME!!!!

codes<<<<<  no lets keep the codes a secret, so pro shops can GUESS.

ya, i can see many small pro shops doing that,  lets take a chance on a rising and hope its right,  or lets just drill brand X { the codeless brand }  and not have to worry about it.

where does track come up with this stuff????

unbelievable.
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Re: Ok, here it is *RISING VIDEO*
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2007, 11:28:39 AM »
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omg, I agree with jls...is the world ending?



i always agree with you buddy.  even when your wrong<<< just kidding.

but this is a dam good ball,  but so far this week,  you can not believe all the crap we have heard about it.

do this, don't do that,  drill it this way,  stand on your head and drill it that way.

get the code,

way to much B.S.

it would be nice if these tech people would join planet earth,  and realize that most bowlers do not have the money to buy 3-4 balls and experiment.

if these tech people HAD TO PAY FOR THEIR BALLS, they might understand!!!!

us pro shops,  deal with the real bowlers,  who don't want to hear,  plug it and redrill it this way,  or buy another $200 ball.

these tech people just don't get it!!!!!!!!!!!

codes>>>>   dumbest thing i have ever heard.

"hears our new ball"  but you will need a code { after buying these balls from your dist, }  to drill it..

unbelievable.




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Re: Ok, here it is *RISING VIDEO*
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2007, 11:46:01 AM »
I was leaving lots of splits because I was playing less that desired lines with different hand positions...  and also I was on a sport pattern on the right lane

I don't edit out all the bad shots, I try to show most of them, if I release the ball the way I wanted..

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Re: Ok, here it is *RISING VIDEO*
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2007, 06:56:22 PM »
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I don't edit out all the bad shots, I try to show most of them, if I release the ball the way I wanted..

 


Cheers for jhutch769......I wish everyone did this with their videos. It gives more of an actual picture of what a ball does. Watching videos showing nothing but strikes does nothing for me.

Edited on 10/26/2007 11:55 AM


Word.. And finally somebody that knows what "good" music is.. Thank you jhutch..
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Re: Ok, here it is *RISING VIDEO*
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2007, 07:28:51 PM »
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And finally somebody that knows what "good" music is..


What?  Is that a typo?
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Re: Ok, here it is *RISING VIDEO*
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2007, 07:29:03 PM »
Sorry.
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Re: Ok, here it is *RISING VIDEO*
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2007, 07:50:19 PM »
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And finally somebody that knows what "good" music is..


What?  Is that a typo?


No.. Anybody that listens to music knows that Fort Minor is one of the more creative groups because they do their own beats, rhymes, and schemes of music.. They aren't what you normally hear.
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