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Xcessive_Evil

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Kinetic Vs. Kinetic Energy video
« on: March 04, 2008, 12:39:53 PM »
What I was to expect/what I wanted: I expected the ball to read the midlane better than the Kinetic while using more energy, but still be stronger on the backend. What I wanted was the ball to read the midlane more than my Mean Machine, and backend just as hard(if not close) as my Rising.

The layout we went with: Pin beneath and slightly right of my ring finger, 3 7/8" from PAP, MB kicked out 50 degrees, with a small hole(maybe 1/4" in VAL for more flare/backend.
 


What I got: Exactly what I asked for and then some. On a lane after the 1st shift and still OOB at the time I had to play pretty deep and play a big angle to get the KE where it needed to be. Apparently, the KE is suitable for medium-heavy, but pending the rev rate, layout, and surface it may even be too much for a medium condition-but that's just from my point of view. I really wanted to compare it to another ball, so I decided to use my Kinetic(which is back to OOB) to show the extreme difference between the two.

I have since taken the KE down to 2000, and sits inbetween my Rising, and MM-where I wanted it to be! Many of you know the praise I have for the Power Machine, and no other ball comes close overall for me. I must say the KE is already a very close 2nd. I'd like to toss it on a PBA condition first before I can assess any further. As you'll see from my video, the KE is a pure monster!

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Re: Kinetic Vs. Kinetic Energy video
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2008, 09:04:48 PM »
very nice.
looks like those balls just desimate those pins

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Re: Kinetic Vs. Kinetic Energy video
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2008, 05:20:27 AM »
well is it the drilling or the balls?

Cause I find the Kinetic for your style drilled this way strong... but the Kinetic energy even puts some more in it...

Nice! Thanks for sharing the Vid!
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Re: Kinetic Vs. Kinetic Energy video
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2008, 09:58:47 AM »
X,

Neither one of those balls are fair in your hands, man.

I have been semi-tempted to pick up a KE, but I'm not even sure that I would be able to use it. I have a Kinetic drilled pin up with the MB kicked about 1 1/2" right of my center line and the thing is just completely uncontrolable on the shot that I bowl on. On most typical house shots, I could see where the ball would be a beast and in fact, when I get some carry down in the middle of the lane, it's simply not fair, but I usually bowl on very fresh wet/dry shots with no oil in the middle on the back part of the lane. What will typically happen with that ball is that if I get tight on a shot and get it in, it's crossing over. A pin down Temper quickly resolved that problem.

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Re: Kinetic Vs. Kinetic Energy video
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2008, 10:39:16 AM »
KENETIC IS A GREAT BALL IN THE PERFECT SITUATION..
IT HOLDS THE LINE PERFECTLY WHILE GOING DOWN THE LANE AND SETS UP PERFECTLY BUT IN MY HOUSE WE HAVE CARRY DOWN AND THAT KILLS THIS BALL...
I HAVE TRIED CHANGING EVERYTHING I CAN ON THIS BALL BUT IT JUST DOESNT WORK ON CARRY DOWN LANES...

I HAVE TO USE ANOTHER BALL THAT SETUP EARLIER...

WHY WOULD I PURCHASE THE NEW KENETIC WHEN YOU REALLY NEED THE RISING..  

I WOULDN'T WASTE MY MONEY ON THAT BALL WHEN I CAN GET THE REAL DEAL...
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Re: Kinetic Vs. Kinetic Energy video
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2008, 11:35:07 AM »
Aristotle:  I too have been back and forth with the 1st Kinetic when I first got it.  It took me quite a very long time, but with a redrill and playing a tighter line I've found a time to where the Kinetic is useful.

Grayson:  I really have to say it's moreso the ball, as it was intended to be more midlane anyway.  However, not to downplay the drill, because its a pretty strong layout as well.  

Zanatos:  I agree, the original Kinetic is a weird piece.  I do have a time and place for it now, but out of all the pieces I have, that was the hardest to find a place for.  And yes, when it comes to carry down, I wouldn't use a ball that I know is squirty in the first place.  However, I wouldn't use my Rising with the recommended layout to go long and strong with either unless I needed the most extreme angle.

However, there is a time and place when you need a strong midlane read, and that's what the KE is for.  The backend is no slouch either.  
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Re: Kinetic Vs. Kinetic Energy video
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2008, 01:40:09 PM »
I followed the instruction in the book for the most aggressive hook action and my ball doesn't move like that.  I changed the surface to 500 and med polish but it dont get that motion as the diagraham shows..  This ball is down and end like everyone has stated but can kill in a house with backend..
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Re: Kinetic Vs. Kinetic Energy video
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2008, 03:47:25 PM »
quote:
I followed the instruction in the book for the most aggressive hook action and my ball doesn't move like that.  I changed the surface to 500 and med polish but it dont get that motion as the diagraham shows..  This ball is down and end like everyone has stated but can kill in a house with backend..
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If you don't mind me asking, which ball are you speaking of?  Do you have a picture?
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Re: Kinetic Vs. Kinetic Energy video
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2008, 06:35:33 AM »
I am talking about the Kinetic
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Re: Kinetic Vs. Kinetic Energy video
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2008, 10:43:36 AM »
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Aristotle:  I too have been back and forth with the 1st Kinetic when I first got it.  It took me quite a very long time, but with a redrill and playing a tighter line I've found a time to where the Kinetic is useful.



Actually, there's not much back and forth to it for me. I really like what the ball has to offer, but for me, it more a matter of taper on the back end of the shot. The ball tends to suit me best when there is some carry down on the lane, otherwise it just really tightens up my line. With a little carrydown or some taper to the oil pattern, the ball is a beast. Without, it still hits like a ton of bricks, but I tend to get more area to play and the same hit with my pin down Temper.

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Re: Kinetic Vs. Kinetic Energy video
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2008, 10:27:29 AM »
my kenetic is great down and in or when the the backend are so fried everything else is going nuts on the back...yea i never expected to use the kenetic on flyingbackends but it works great
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Re: Kinetic Vs. Kinetic Energy video
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2008, 01:21:23 AM »
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I followed the instruction in the book for the most aggressive hook action and my ball doesn't move like that.  I changed the surface to 500 and med polish but it dont get that motion as the diagraham shows..  This ball is down and end like everyone has stated but can kill in a house with backend..
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The layout shown for the kinetic isnt for everyone. For some people this could put the pin to far from PAP such as say over 5 1/2. Then again for some people this could place the pin to close to PAP. Someone who has a pap inside 3 inches would end up having this layout be to close to PAP and would end up rolling to fast. The MB placement on the Kinetic isnt to important because of how low of a number it is. I would say to change the layout, and have it done off your PAP.
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