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Title: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: FastTracker33 on February 22, 2007, 01:37:00 PM
This is no rumor. This just came from my proshop guy, Beans' email! I can't believe it.. sorry to break the news to everyone. I've been dying to hear it myself :\ ...

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Subject: TRACK PHOENIX BALL RELEASE

 

Dear Ebonite International, Inc. Consumer Product Distributor:

 

One of the many issues caught in the Columbia transition was the Track Phoenix ball introduction. When asked, we told many of you that we would be testing that ball before making a “go/no-go” decision regarding it’s release. Testing has now been completed. We will not be releasing this ball.

 

Please cancel any orders that you may have placed for the Track Phoenix.

 

There have also been some questions regarding the new Columbia “Ten” ball that was pending introduction. This ball will not be released.

 

Please pass this information on to your pro shop customers as you deem appropriate.

 

Sorry for the abruptness of these announcements, but we felt it very important that we keep you as informed as possible.

 

CHEERS!
RWR


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-BrIan
Track Legion

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Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: manu57 on February 22, 2007, 09:58:54 PM
They are probably not releasing it because both those balls smoke the current Hammer/Ebonite line.  There was going to be a new Dyno Back Vendetta coming out too, that will be probably be squashed as well.  It just makes me ill thinking about it.  I think I might give Roto a try.  They haven't totally sold out yet.
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The only difference between Genius and Stupidity is Genius has its Limits

Edited on 2/22/2007 10:58 PM
Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: fins4ever88 on February 22, 2007, 10:07:43 PM
quote:
They are probably not releasing it because both those balls smoke the current Hammer/Ebonite line.  There was going to be a new Dyno Back Vendetta coming out too, that will be probably be squashed as well.  It just makes me ill thinking about it.  I think I might give Roto a try.  They haven't totally sold out yet.
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The only difference between Genius and Stupidity is Genius has its Limits

Edited on 2/22/2007 10:58 PM


Wow...now there's no doubt to me that these two balls ('specially the Phoenix) would be good, but that they would smoke the Total NV, Black Widow, No Mercy, and One series? Yeah, in your dreams.
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---Ryan
Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 22, 2007, 10:09:15 PM
Adam@bowlinglasvegas.com to get that rare ball if you want they got it
Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 22, 2007, 10:12:39 PM
btw buy up any track ball you love now, the rumor i hear when stock goes away any current release is done.
Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: cnimsk on February 22, 2007, 10:16:52 PM
Fortunately I just got a Power Machine. May get an Inertia soon as well.

Chuck
Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 22, 2007, 10:27:51 PM
smart move when stock goes these balls all go.



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Fortunately I just got a Power Machine. May get an Inertia soon as well.

Chuck
Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: manu57 on February 23, 2007, 05:38:05 AM
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"Wow...now there's no doubt to me that these two balls ('specially the Phoenix) would be good, but that they would smoke the Total NV, Black Widow, No Mercy, and One series? Yeah, in your dreams."


When a company has deep pockets and can pay the best bowlers in the world to use their equipment; it does not mean the balls are any good.  If it makes you feel more secure in your own bowling that is your opinion.
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The only difference between Genius and Stupidity is Genius has its Limits

Edited on 2/23/2007 6:35 AM  

Edited on 2/23/2007 6:37 AM

Edited on 2/23/2007 6:37 AM
Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: Bar5003 on February 23, 2007, 05:53:49 AM
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Adam@bowlinglasvegas.com to get that rare ball if you want they got it


problem is i did that...they quoted me a price yesterday morning which i was going to take...then i get an email later in the day "sorry i quoted you the wrong price, its actually $30 more" lol o well i understand tho, once they found out it was rare up goes the price...i honestly dont blame them...
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~Britton~
Columbia Industries=The BEST ball manufacturer
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Edited on 2/23/2007 6:51 AM
Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: shipper50 on February 23, 2007, 07:32:54 AM
Does this mean the Phoenix I have coming next Wednesday will be worth $600 like the NV that sold on ebay yesterday?

Shipper
Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: Charles on February 23, 2007, 07:35:12 AM
It just might Shipper.....need a financial partner? LOL
Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on February 23, 2007, 07:46:22 AM
quote:

When a company has deep pockets and can pay the best bowlers in the world to use their equipment; it does not mean the balls are any good.  If it makes you feel more secure in your own bowling that is your opinion.


[sarcasm]
But I thought the only thing that made a ball good was if Tommy Jones used it!  Must copy Tommy Jones at all times!
[/sarcasm]
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Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: baccala8872 on February 23, 2007, 07:56:53 AM
THAT'S right, baby!!!!!
Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on February 23, 2007, 10:14:58 AM
YEAH THAT'S RIGHT!!11 RIGHT THERE! LETS GO!!
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Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: splendorlex on February 23, 2007, 10:24:42 AM
quote:
They are probably not releasing it because both those balls smoke the current Hammer/Ebonite line.  There was going to be a new Dyno Back Vendetta coming out too, that will be probably be squashed as well.  It just makes me ill thinking about it.  I think I might give Roto a try.  They haven't totally sold out yet.
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The only difference between Genius and Stupidity is Genius has its Limits

Edited on 2/22/2007 10:58 PM


I doubt that, if the balls were great, Ebonite would release and PUSH them.  Don't forget they ARE Track/Columbia/Dyno now as well.  They're a business, not a sorority.  
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Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: strikenout on February 23, 2007, 10:27:46 AM
heck got a machine brand new never drilled 15lbs and a equation 15lbs...mmm wonder what i could get?
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Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: jkiser01 on February 23, 2007, 10:31:49 AM
those 2 are far from rare...yet, they are still on ebay and on multiple internet sites. When a ball stops appearing on ebay, then its rare!! LOL..

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heck got a machine brand new never drilled 15lbs and a equation 15lbs...mmm wonder what i could get?
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I think the great slump of 2006-2007 is finally coming to an end!!

Edited on 2/23/2007 11:29 AM
Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: trogdor on February 23, 2007, 11:24:51 AM
Are there any videos of anyone throwing a Phoenix here (for the few that have it)?  I haven't noticed anyone post one yet (unless I missed it).
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Storm Paradigm Passion
Storm Eraser Ragin' Banshee
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Edited on 2/23/2007 12:22 PM
Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: directdrill on February 23, 2007, 11:27:10 AM
Trogdor,

Yes, Carl and Scoot posted a video of the Phoenix.  Here is the link:

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=152330&ForumID=14&CategoryID=2
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Hook 'em Horns!
Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: trogdor on February 23, 2007, 11:41:12 AM
Thanks, I must have horrible searching skills or "phoenix video" wasn't a good enough search query
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Track Power Machine
Storm Paradigm Passion
Storm Eraser Ragin' Banshee
Lane#1 Crystal Diamond
Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: Xfest on February 23, 2007, 12:25:42 PM
We all knew it was going to happen.
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Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: pate08 on February 24, 2007, 01:54:06 AM
quote:
Does this mean the Phoenix I have coming next Wednesday will be worth $600 like the NV that sold on ebay yesterday?

Shipper



That's what I want to know because I'm getting one in the mail soon too
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Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: REVerse on February 24, 2007, 11:45:22 AM
That is sad news. I really like Track equipment. Forget Ebonite.

I did find this out: If you match up well with Track, give Morich a try. You won't regret it. The Awesome series are well designed/engineered balls.












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Ray
"SUPPORT A PRO SHOP OF YOUR CHOICE"

Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: cficare068 on February 24, 2007, 12:17:31 PM
Geez that sucks. The Phoenix was the First Track ball that I was actually excited about in a while.  I was actually planning on getting one.
Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: Mvpbowler on February 24, 2007, 12:26:10 PM
I believe you still can.. If you go to bowlinglasvegas.com, I believe they still have some available..
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Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: cnimsk on February 24, 2007, 12:38:35 PM
I have a feeling that it's nothing "sinister" going on. I believe that Ebonite just decided that it would be easier to cancel the Phoenix than spend the time and effort trying to match the coverstock Track came up with. Plus, given their success as of late, I have to believe that a bit of hubris might be present; the idea that "we can do better". From what I've been reading, Ebonite is going to continue the Track line but with their own formulations. For better or worse I guess. It's too bad as the Phoenix was quite interesting.

Chuck
Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: tenpinspro on February 24, 2007, 12:42:00 PM
Yes it is sad.  The ball is very nice from what Carl has been relaying to me.  He's been shooting lights out in a few different houses with this piece.  I never did receive mine.  They said they under produced due to large distributor buy ins which (business wise) if I were Ebonite, I'd fulfill these orders at San Antonio (because Col can duplicate these without a problem), keep my distributors happy which in turn would keep the public happy. After this, proceed with my own designs for the future, doesn't that make more sense instead of losing out on all the sales that your customers want?  I don't know guys....makes me think twice about joining this team.  

A piece of inside info, reps from companies are pumped to push product to distributors (not easy to do).  Distributors have learned in the past that some pieces will sell well and some don't, simple as that.  They get stuck blowing out and losing money on some pieces so when you have a very good distributor buy-in (a manufacturer's primary customer), it's very important to keep that customer happy, right?  

I feel Phil has made a very good piece here, get yours while you can.  I'm still going to try...
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Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: williewc on February 24, 2007, 02:21:53 PM
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I believe you still can.. If you go to bowlinglasvegas.com, I believe they still have some available..
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George Palumbo



yeah i emailed them and he said he had 14, 15, 16 lbs available, $175 plus shipping is the price he told me

thinking about getting one for nationals, just gotta come up with the money now lol
Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: shipper50 on February 24, 2007, 03:09:36 PM
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I believe you still can.. If you go to bowlinglasvegas.com, I believe they still have some available..
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George Palumbo



yeah i emailed them and he said he had 14, 15, 16 lbs available, $175 plus shipping is the price he told me

thinking about getting one for nationals, just gotta come up with the money now lol


If they quoted you $175 plus shipping you got a better deal than me. Don't know who you talked to, but both the owner and his helper quoted me a different price.

Shipper
Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: Djarum on February 24, 2007, 04:55:26 PM
They might not have the oil absorbtion that the one series has. :rolls eyes:

Bunch of crap.
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Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: Rev_O on February 24, 2007, 08:52:06 PM
i got the same email today, word for word, from my distributor!
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Title: Re: Phoenix, 10, Bad News :\
Post by: williewc on February 25, 2007, 10:30:36 AM
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quote:
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I believe you still can.. If you go to bowlinglasvegas.com, I believe they still have some available..
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George Palumbo



yeah i emailed them and he said he had 14, 15, 16 lbs available, $175 plus shipping is the price he told me

thinking about getting one for nationals, just gotta come up with the money now lol


If they quoted you $175 plus shipping you got a better deal than me. Don't know who you talked to, but both the owner and his helper quoted me a different price.

Shipper



the guy who emailed me was Adam

http://adam@bowlinglasvegas.com