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SprayNpray

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Machine compares to...
« on: April 03, 2006, 05:43:16 PM »
I was hoping some of you Track guys could help me here.  I am a Buzzsaw guy, but the Machine has caught my eye.  I was hoping someone with experience could tell me which Buzzsaw would most closely compare to the Machine.

I believe the Machine is a particle pearl, correct?  I am hoping for educated opinions here, i.e. people who have thrown both the Machine as well as a few Buzzsaws.

Any input is welcomed, however
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Re: Machine compares to...
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2006, 06:02:36 AM »
I can honestly say I have only drilled one Lane 1 ball this past season, a Cherry Bomb....so I can not give you a direct comparison on the lanes. However, the Machine clears the heads with ease....you know what it can do on the backend.

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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2006, 09:30:52 PM »
SawFreak,

I have had a few buzzsaws in the past: Black Cherry, Cherry, Blueberry, Uranium and none of them were like the Machine.

The Machine is very unique......in a good way. I would have no problem suggesting to anyone.

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Re: Machine compares to...
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2006, 10:41:55 PM »
Thanks for the info, guys.  I think I will go ahead and take a chance here... I am VERY comfortable with my Buzzsaws and Brunswicks, and haven't really ventured outside the realm of Big B covers.

The Machine sounds like a great ball, but the thing that really caught my eye was the LOOKS of it!  Wow do I feel shallow

I am hoping it will fit between my Scorchin Inferno and my Tsunami.

Anyone have a great deal on a new Machine?  I might just order one if I can get a good price shipped to 97756.
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Re: Machine compares to...
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2006, 03:24:33 AM »
Hey Saw,

It's a little longer than the Cherry but has more backend reaction (if drilled that way, please discuss with your ball driller or we can help too).  You won't be disappointed, great reaction and hit overall.
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2006, 11:37:26 PM »
Ok, so having been a Saw guy for a long time, I am kinda used to a rolly reaction, and like a hard arc better than a skid/snap reaction.  Length usually isn't a problem for me, because I project the ball very well naturally.

For example, I can throw my Scorchin Inferno, Strike Zone, and Solid Uranium on a medium-heavy house shot with great results.  I generally play a little deeper with these and stay in the oil, but my speed is consistently in the 17 mph range.

Not sure on rev rate, but is decent.  I could probably be described as a low end cranker or a high end tweener.  I am going to guess a rev rate of around 400, based on what I have seen from peoples videos and measurements, and comparing it to my own style.  I am a high tracker, in fact often my track inverts to where the track is further from the thumb than the middle finger.  I have seen this on several balls, including the three mentioned above.  I wish I could measure my PAP accurately to give you a better idea, but alas I am untrained in that artform.

All this being said, I am hoping to fit the Machine in between my Tsunami and my Strike Zone.  Please tell me if my thinking is wrong on this.  My 15 lb Machine is on its way, with 2.5-3.0 TW and a 2-3 pin.

I was thinking a pin below the bridge or ring finger, with the MB kicked out about an inch right of the thumbhole.  What kind of reaction would I get with this layout on a 39 foot crown with 60 units in the middle out to six on the gutters?  Again, hoping for strong arc as opposed to skid/snap.  My Cobalt does the skid/snap thing all too well.


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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2006, 03:28:52 PM »
Hey Saw,

I'd even keep the mb closer to thumb if you want more of a "rolly arc" reaction.  Our symmetrical drill for asym balls is done by placing the mb under thumb which basically puts it onto our centerline for stability.  

Depending upon where your pap is and how inverted you are, pushing the mb out towards it may help the core get started and it may result in a snappier backend.  This is due to not knowing the exact distance we'll be placing the mass bias to pap.  If I knew your pap, we could also go short of 3 inches and that would also give you a smoother and quicker revving reaction without as much snap on the backend.  Hope this helps some or just give me a holler and I'll help you out, thanks.
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2006, 12:54:47 AM »
Rick, thanks for the info.  I do need to decide what I am going to do with this ball layout wise.  Doc, so that drilling would actually put the MB left of the thumb, correct?  I have my Tsunami drilled that way and it is super even and beautifully predictable.

So now I am thinking pin below bridge, with the MB under the thumb in the midline, or pin below ring with MB slightly left of thumbhole?  I guess the lack of a PAP measurement isn't really fair if I wanna talk layouts.  So my next question is how much is this going to overlap what I now have in the bag (see profile for my arsenal and my inventory of balls)?  My only particle pearl is my Pearl Carbide Bomb, and it is unfortunately a little unpredictable.

I would like to be able to cover some boards so I can move deeper and open the lane up, but I might be asking too much if I don't want a huge skid/snap reaction.  I love to swing the ball!  Hmmm... ponderous...

Thanks to all who have replied so far.
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