Author Topic: The Rising Drill Sheet (Read 12017 times)

jhutch769 · « **on:** October 23, 2007, 11:38:36 AM »

Hello,

We just got in a few Risings on Monday and before we drill mine, we wanted to take a closer look at the 360 degree drilling technique. Any idea where we can get more information on that? It says to look up trackbowling.com on the drill sheet, but neither my dad nor I were able to find further information.

We feel that the recommended drilling may be a tad too strong for me.

If anyone has any suggestions, it would be greatly appreciated.

I think my speed is 17 mph and RPM is 375-425.. can't quite remember all the numbers are on the other computer.. Have not computed my axis tilt.

Here are some links to some of my videos..

http://putfile.com/jhutch757

Thank you,

Joe

302efi · « **Reply #61 on:** October 28, 2007, 12:04:15 AM »

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By the way, noticed, half way though the first game, the bridge was cracked.. didn't even have 5 games on it yet..

Welcome to the wonderful world of Ebonite made balls !

Enjoy your stay !

The bad part is, since its the bridge that cracked, Track will say it was the driller that messed up !
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Mark T. Trgovac · « **Reply #62 on:** October 28, 2007, 12:19:50 AM »

The fact is most shops (MOST), dont even take into account the customers PAP when they layout a ball or use a drill sheet layout. The layout given on the drill sheet will work for 95% of the bowlers out there. The slight move left for those with lower tracks or a val/pap that is under the 4" mark or the move right for those further then 5" will make the suggested layout work for them. If your bowler rolls the ball more but is in the 95% area just add some polish. Most bowlers (MOST) dont keep a ball consistantly at box anyway. They let the ball get dirty or polish it.

Nobody said the customer had to buy a package. The shop should by a package deal, because it is in fact a deal. You get three balls none that should sell fo under $130, for only $240. I mean that is the one package and that is a deal. I dear you to find a better one out there where each ball could really sell under the high price point.
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revTrex · « **Reply #63 on:** October 28, 2007, 12:28:37 AM »

PACKAGE DEAL DOES NOT EQUAL AN EXCUSE TO NOT SUPPLY CODES OR DRILLING INFORMATION TO THOSE WHO DON'T BUY THE PACKAGE.

I still want to know about the leverage comment. How is leverage not equal to 3 3/8" on the Rising?

Mark T. Trgovac · « **Reply #64 on:** October 28, 2007, 05:56:47 PM »

For the info on leverage not being 3 3/8 you would have to ask Ron H. That is what he said when he was asked is Leverage was still 3 3/8. He said no it is 4 on this ball and that is why the layout they give on the sheet is given.
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C-G Pro Shop
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Youngstown, Ohio

Finishing THS book ave: 200
Finishing PBA Experence ave: 176
Finishing Composit ave: 194

Track HITMAN.

Tag Team Coaching Success Story.

Atochabsh · « **Reply #65 on:** October 29, 2007, 02:01:51 PM »

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By the way, noticed, half way though the first game, the bridge was cracked.. didn't even have 5 games on it yet..
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Welcome to the wonderful world of Ebonite made balls !

Enjoy your stay !

I've used a lot of Ebonite equipment and have never had a cracked bridge. In fact, I've used mostly Ebonite, but also a few Morich and Columbias and never had a cracked bridge. But then I've always used the same driller.

Erin

shelley · « **Reply #66 on:** October 29, 2007, 02:04:33 PM »

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For the info on leverage not being 3 3/8 you would have to ask Ron H. That is what he said when he was asked is Leverage was still 3 3/8. He said no it is 4 on this ball and that is why the layout they give on the sheet is given.

That must be why the pin is 1" up from grip center. The Rising actually changes your PAP to be just under 4" over with no vertical component. What a ball!

SH

tenpinspro · « **Reply #67 on:** October 29, 2007, 03:29:42 PM »

Ladies and Gents, (I hear you guys and understand your concerns)

My superiors have been informed of all your concerns and our 3 recommended layouts "will" be posted very soon and available to everyone on trackbowling.com

In regards to the trick layouts, we are working feverishly to ensure that reaction is consistent for everyone. We will not and cannot release this information until we are satisfied with the data. This ball is truly different....

Please feel free to ask Carl or myself for any layout assistance on trackbowling.com Thank you very much for your feedback, we still do listen and are trying our best to do the "right" thing for our bowlers.
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revTrex · « **Reply #68 on:** October 29, 2007, 03:42:49 PM »

^^^

Rick, thanks! Do you know anything about leverage being different on the Rising? How can it NOT be 3 3/8"???

jls · « **Reply #69 on:** October 29, 2007, 04:10:44 PM »

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^^^

Rick, thanks! Do you know anything about leverage being different on the Rising? How can it NOT be 3 3/8"???

revtrex, two additional drillings are now listed on track's web site.

we used one of them last week on a rising. it was a monster!!!!

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revTrex · « **Reply #70 on:** October 29, 2007, 04:17:23 PM »

Alright, just took a look at the updated drillings. Looks good.

Now, I have to ask...when might we really see the "wild" or "exotic" layouts possible with the Rising? You know, the full use of the 360?

Not that I want to make a big deal about this...just wonderin'

tenpinspro · « **Reply #71 on:** October 29, 2007, 04:25:12 PM »

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^^^

Rick, thanks! Do you know anything about leverage being different on the Rising? How can it NOT be 3 3/8"???

Scientifically, it boils down to the contour rings and shape of movement. It truly is different once we push mass bias past .030 (saw it on CAD), it's not the same. Symmetrical movement is even and consistent, right? We can picture that....asymmetrical balls became elipitical in movement.

However, this ball does something completely different and unique due to its core and cover strength.

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revTrex · « **Reply #72 on:** October 29, 2007, 05:21:33 PM »

Alright, that kind of makes sense, Rick. So what you are saying is that the ball achieves maximum flare at a different pin-PAP distance due to a large enough mass bias...in other words...if an asymmetrical rotates more and more in an elliptical path, the mass bias and core geometry is now large enough/designed to exaggerate this change to a noticeable level?

Am I getting this right, or completely missing the point?

On edit: If I am right, that the large (past .30) MB changes the leverage pin-PAP distance, will this distance continue to change on even higher MB balls? Let's say it was .035...would it move up to like 4.05 inches rather than 4.0? Is there any way to predict these sort of things, or introduce drillers to this new thinking (if I am right, of course)?

Edited on 10/29/2007 5:31 PM

tenpinspro · « **Reply #73 on:** October 29, 2007, 05:42:00 PM »

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Alright, that kind of makes sense, Rick. So what you are saying is that the ball achieves maximum flare at a different pin-PAP distance due to a large enough mass bias...in other words...if an asymmetrical rotates more and more in an elliptical path, the mass bias and core geometry is now large enough/designed to exaggerate this change to a noticeable level?

Am I getting this right, or completely missing the point?

On edit: If I am right, that the large (past .30) MB changes the leverage pin-PAP distance, will this distance continue to change on even higher MB balls? Let's say it was .035...would it move up to like 4.05 inches rather than 4.0? Is there any way to predict these sort of things, or introduce drillers to this new thinking (if I am right, of course)?

Edited on 10/29/2007 5:31 PM

Hey rev,

You are definitely on the right path, even I don't know what's going to happen with .035-.040, my major was not physics....I was in CS and accounting. But what I am seeing and understanding in the business is that core weight and strength must present some type of balance or else our mb diff would/could end up overpowering our core, right?

On edit: great discussion btw, thanks rev and everyone.....
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Edited on 10/29/2007 5:50 PM

Edited on 10/29/2007 5:56 PM

revTrex · « **Reply #74 on:** October 29, 2007, 05:59:02 PM »

Thanks for the info, Rick. Granted, my current major isn't physics either, so...the literature and philosophy guy here will be hard at work thinking about this some more, and maybe asking a few friends.

tenpinspro · « **Reply #75 on:** October 29, 2007, 06:35:18 PM »

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Thanks for the info, Rick. Granted, my current major isn't physics either, so...the literature and philosophy guy here will be hard at work thinking about this some more, and maybe asking a few friends.

You HAVE two new friends....Carl and myself...anytime guys. The Tag Team is always here.....
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Edited on 10/29/2007 6:36 PM

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