Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 09, 2007, 07:02:47 AM
Thanks,
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Post by: HAMMERDOWN103 on July 09, 2007, 03:32:22 PM
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Post by: YetAnotherTenPin on July 09, 2007, 03:45:17 PM
- gp2 (for some original rules) replacement? What is going to come close to that monster? if the answer is get a ebonite/hammer thats fine, just which one?
- Are all the track drill sheets going to be 360' like the ebonite ones?
Post by: Curt_Dupre on July 09, 2007, 04:29:59 PM
Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on July 09, 2007, 08:15:47 PM
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Post by: six pack on July 09, 2007, 09:20:36 PM
but anyway here's my question.will we see anymore particle covers?one of the things I hated about Ebo/Hammer was that they droped all the particle covers and even though they have covers that soak up the oil it's not the same as a good particle ball.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 09, 2007, 11:20:46 PM
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Might have already been answered but... What is going to happen to all the other Track equipment? Like the Machine line and all the others? Will they continue to make them or did they just throw everything out the window?
The Machine line was finished when the San Antonio Plant ran its last C300 ball. The R&D team at Ebonite has some very good things in store for us.
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- Is there going to be anything to fit the dryer end of the spectrum?
- gp2 (for some original rules) replacement? What is going to come close to that monster? if the answer is get a ebonite/hammer thats fine, just which one?
- Are all the track drill sheets going to be 360' like the ebonite ones?
I do not think that Track is going to venture into the dry lane area. Ebonite and Columbia Equipment both cover that very well with the Tornados and Scouts respectively.**** The strength that the Rising has is going to SHOCK a lot of people. Word at the Product Showcase from the bowlers coming down the line was that the Rising was the strongest ball there.....and we had one of the weaker layouts on the demo balls. I would not call it the "monster" that the GP2 was, because the GP2 rolled so early.....the Rising will roll early yet it will retain more energy down the lane than the GP2 did.****Not all of the drill sheets are going to be 360*, just the Rising. The ability to drill the Rising in this manner is what makes it so unique. The heavy core and the strong MB make one dangerous combination for the pins to have to face.
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How many balls will Track make a year? I keep hearing that Track will not be on tour this year from a lot of people. I also heard that Track will only get 3 balls a year. If that is true, how will people be able to make a ball arsenal around 3 balls.
Track plans on having 6 releases before the end of the season. They will be on tour, the only PBA exempt bowler on staff is Mitch Beasely. You will see Track on television, it is going to be determined week to week if anyone throws it on TV or not. The equipment that Track has coming out is extremely strong...yet extremely versatile. The Rising for example is a very strong piece of equipment....but due to 360* layout process you can tame the ball down significantly. The Kenetic is extremely skid/flip, alter the surface though and you can have a ball that will rev up rather early. I firmly believe that a person could have a 6 balls arsenal with 5 Risings and a Kenetic. I know 5 of one ball is a bit of overkill, but the Rising is that versatile and it is that good. If someone wanted a Track arsenal it is very possible even with 3 releases.
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I used to use track stuff many years ago but moved on to other stuff.now I find myself buying up track stuff again after EBO bought them,go figure.Sixcranker turned me on to an Inertia and I've picked up a few others since then.
but anyway here's my question.will we see anymore particle covers?one of the things I hated about Ebo/Hammer was that they droped all the particle covers and even though they have covers that soak up the oil it's not the same as a good particle ball.
I understand the concern about particle covers. Ebonite's R&D team feel that they can get a particle type reaction out of their coverstocks. Folks, these covers are extremely versatile and they are the best coverstocks on the market today. As for plans of particle, I am unsure. I would not rule anything out at this point. The future is wide open for Track, and it is going to be an awesome ride.
GREAT questions so far folks, keep them coming!
-Carl
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 10, 2007, 07:29:14 AM
Track HAS been and WILL continue on the forefront in technology and high performance equipment. We were never known for how good our "dry" lane equipment was but rather the strength in equipment we could provide to the public. This is where Ron H and Randy T shine! You folks wouldn't even believe me if I told you how many veneers (thanks to Randy T) we have at Ebonite and how far advanced Ron H is in core design and what he has planned for the future of Track.
Our goal is to bring to you guys the best possible reactions that work on today's conditions to help give all of you Track fans the advantage that you deserve.
Carl and I not only being under Tech Support will also have quite a bit of input as to what our future Track pieces should look like. Please feel free to tell us what "YOU" want and we'll do what we can to provide the BEST of the BEST to you!! Thank you for being a loyal Legion member....
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Post by: HAMMERDOWN103 on July 10, 2007, 08:39:33 AM
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 10, 2007, 08:58:29 AM
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I remember someone saying that the Kinetic was only going to be made in 15lbs. Is this true? If so, why?
Not true at all Reick...all those who know me know that I can't and "don't" throw anything heavier than 14lbs....too old
Mine is 14lb buddy and there were a few more that I was trying to take until Fig *whacks me on the back of the head*...(oops, sorry boss)...but I can still out score my Tag Team partner....lol
All weights as listed.....pls lets stop the rumors. If anyone has any questions, just ask Carl or myself and we'll give you the real low down....thank you.
Hey Carl, guess we should photocopy/scan our "business" cards that we now have with Track to help stop any incorrect rumors? I'll do mine...coming very soon ladies and gents.
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Post by: Big_Daddy_357 on July 10, 2007, 01:38:05 PM
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Hey Carl, guess we should photocopy/scan our "bidness" cards that we now have with Track to help stop any incorrect rumors? I'll do mine...coming very soon ladies and gents.
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Post by: scotts33 on July 10, 2007, 08:18:03 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 10, 2007, 11:17:13 PM
This had nothing to do with Visionary. This topic was started due to all of the speculation surrounding Track Equipment. Every seems to have heard something differet. Rick and I just want to set it straight.
-Carl
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Post by: ThongPrincess on July 11, 2007, 12:21:24 AM
I will also be attending an Ebonite Demo Days August 18th to check out what they have to show and try. Thanks for any input!
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Post by: Djarum on July 11, 2007, 08:14:51 AM
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Post by: qstick777 on July 11, 2007, 10:38:40 AM
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I've been looking, but I haven't seen pics of the cores for the new balls? Are they available, or is ebo being secretive about them as well?
Dj
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Not sure about the others, but the Rising looks to be a secret....at least according to what is posted on bowlingball.com
http://www.bowlingball.com/Bowling-Ball-5627/track_the_rising-hpp-27-2-3.html
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 11, 2007, 12:53:41 PM
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I was talking with my coach today and he mentioned the problem I may be having with transition on the sport shot is due to my equipment having too much flare. I did confirm that the flare rings were quite wide on the Black Widow Monday. Anyhow, long story short, he said we may need to look at some equipment strickly for the sport shot. He was saying more agressive equipment with low flare. What, if anything in or coming from the Track line would be possibles?
An aggressive ball that has little flare is a difficult thing to find. The lowest flaring ball in our lineup is the Temper. I suspect your coach may be suggesting a high flaring ball with a low flaring layout. I know you greatly value his word, so please double check with him and see if he believes that would work. I will be able to sugget a layout to you after that point.
-Carl
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Post by: ThongPrincess on July 11, 2007, 01:18:45 PM
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Post by: Djarum on July 11, 2007, 04:34:03 PM
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Kinetic and Temper core pics are definitely out. Just got them at the shop last week.
The Rising's core(megatron) is the first of it's kind and is being kept under wraps until closer to the release date.
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Are there pics on the web anywhere?
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Post by: gmdetective on July 12, 2007, 02:48:40 PM
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What honey? No that's not another new ball, I've had that one for months.
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 12, 2007, 03:07:33 PM
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Hey Carl and Rick, Quick question on the Mean Machine, mine was lane damaged a while back, and had to be resurfaced by the in-house proshop, ever since it has not been as aggressive as before. What is a good surface to put on this ball for a stroker on a heavy THS? or how can it be brought back to OOB? Thanks for your time.
If you want to get the Mean Machine aggressive for a heavy oil house pattern I would suggest hitting it with a 500grit abralon pad BY HAND.....then hit it with 1000grit abralon pad BY HAND. If you need adjustment from that point let Rick or I know and we will assist you from there.
-Carl
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on July 12, 2007, 09:31:04 PM
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If you want to get the Mean Machine aggressive for a heavy oil house pattern I would suggest hitting it with a 500grit abralon pad BY HAND.....then hit it with 1000grit abralon pad BY HAND. If you need adjustment from that point let Rick or I know and we will assist you from there.
To piggyback off of this, I've see a insane change in my MM since I went to 1000 abralon a while back. With the reduction in length and more violent backend, if the ball isn't clocked at 18-18.5 mph at the pins(starting at 35 and rolling out to 2-3) I was going through the nose-at the least.
So hopefully, this is all you need to bring your MM back.
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Post by: astroboy on July 12, 2007, 10:45:19 PM
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If you want to get the Mean Machine aggressive for a heavy oil house pattern I would suggest hitting it with a 500grit abralon pad BY HAND.....then hit it with 1000grit abralon pad BY HAND. If you need adjustment from that point let Rick or I know and we will assist you from there.
Sorry for being off topic, but that just makes me wanna ask what's the difference between using abralon by hand and by using a spinner? And, would it make any difference by hitting the ball with 2000 first, then 1000, other than hitting it with 500, then 1000? If it does, would you mind to the differences?
Post by: six pack on July 12, 2007, 11:55:57 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 13, 2007, 12:06:38 AM
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Post by: YetAnotherTenPin on July 13, 2007, 01:20:58 AM
Post by: gmdetective on July 13, 2007, 12:52:52 PM
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What honey? No that's not another new ball, I've had that one for months.
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 13, 2007, 01:32:15 PM
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Post by: six pack on July 13, 2007, 06:14:05 PM
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Brings back memories of this one guy I used to cross with at tourneys that swore by 80grit by hand for his oily gear. It looked fugly, but it rolled well.
I have my phenom knocked down with a burgandy scotch brite,going to be my "Track Burner".
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Post by: astroboy on July 13, 2007, 09:08:55 PM
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abralon when used on a spinner gives me more of a shine then by hand.also you will get a better surface going lower grit to higher grit then higher to lower.it's all about opening up the pores on the ball then going to the final finish.
Thanks for the info.
Post by: Pinhammer on July 14, 2007, 10:19:00 AM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 14, 2007, 11:54:06 PM
Ya gotta get it right!!! I remembered my specs, but did not remember the pitches for the switchgrip.....I have changed pitches so much that I do not remember what outter sleeve took....but yes, I remember now
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 16, 2007, 05:24:08 AM
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I do not remember what outter sleeve took....but yes, I remember now
I must be rubbing off on the kid....
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Post by: jimpagemmohcom on July 16, 2007, 11:21:53 AM
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Guys/Gals I know you have heard many statements about the new Track Equipment. I have read ALOT of them throughout this entire website. If you have specific Questions please post them here. Myself or Rick will answer your questions as best we can. Both of us have had alot of exposure to the new equipment and what they do on the lanes......for every style of bowler. We will be able to answer any question you have.
Thanks,
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Carl,
I am a long time Track user from the begining, own nothing else! and was wondering what Ebonite is doing with the multi-density cores that made track what it was. Also who is making the compounds and how do the relate to what Track did with them throughout?
I have been purchasing Tracks on Ebay before you can't get them and got the Equation 2 already for this years league and tourney's and am really skeptical about Ebonite having anything to do with making Track balls.
Any advise?
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Post by: jimpagemmohcom on July 16, 2007, 11:22:15 AM
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Guys/Gals I know you have heard many statements about the new Track Equipment. I have read ALOT of them throughout this entire website. If you have specific Questions please post them here. Myself or Rick will answer your questions as best we can. Both of us have had alot of exposure to the new equipment and what they do on the lanes......for every style of bowler. We will be able to answer any question you have.
Thanks,
Carl
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Post by: Rock77 on July 16, 2007, 11:43:23 AM
Til this point in time, the Machine series is my favorite line of balls from any company ever made. I actually have a NIB Power Machine on the way due to the low pricing I've been able to find. With that said, even the mid price stuff was great. The Solutions, Heats etc...all were fantastic. In fact, Track's symmetrical stuff has been the only symmetrical stuff that really works well for me. For whatever reason, I have better luck with asymmetrical cores.
So, enough with the babbling on. How's the new stuff compared to the old stuff?
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 17, 2007, 11:41:50 PM
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I am a long time Track user from the begining, own nothing else! and was wondering what Ebonite is doing with the multi-density cores that made track what it was. Also who is making the compounds and how do the relate to what Track did with them throughout?
I have been purchasing Tracks on Ebay before you can't get them and got the Equation 2 already for this years league and tourney's and am really skeptical about Ebonite having anything to do with making Track balls.
Any advise?
Ebonite essentially makes their own coverstocks, and they are second to none in the industry. Just look at the popularity of their equipment(and hammer's) over the past couple of years). Most of that is due to the coverstocks. As for the multiple density cores vs single density......(this was going to be my hang up for Ebonite, I really liked the old cores): The single density is just as good if not better for a few reasons.
In speaking with an EXTREMELY reliable source that held a high position with C300 in the past the multiple pieces were unreliable. They were known to shift during production and it could very well have gone undetected. Quality Control was a huge issue.
As soon as Ebonite acquired C300 I began testing different Ebonite/Hammer Equipment so that I could see if there was a difference between the single density and the multi, and there wasn't. The Ebonite Equipment performed beautifully. I saw no difference in the way the single density and the multi hit the pins and the carry was equal.
Lastly, and probably the most important difference is that Ebonite has STRONG and STABLE leadership that have a vision and work daily to achieve it. Columbia 300 was LOST for a very long time. They had alot of issues and no one really worked to correct them.
My suggestion to you is to buy a Kinetic or a Rising. Allow the equipment to show you what they can do. I have both of them and they are tremendous. Each one has a purpose and they serve that purpose well.
-Carl
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 17, 2007, 11:56:40 PM
quote:
Maybe this question is a bit vague, but I want to know how the new Track stuff performs compared to the old stuff (before the buyout).
Til this point in time, the Machine series is my favorite line of balls from any company ever made. I actually have a NIB Power Machine on the way due to the low pricing I've been able to find. With that said, even the mid price stuff was great. The Solutions, Heats etc...all were fantastic. In fact, Track's symmetrical stuff has been the only symmetrical stuff that really works well for me. For whatever reason, I have better luck with asymmetrical cores.
So, enough with the babbling on. How's the new stuff compared to the old stuff?
Rock,
The new equipment is SWEET! I get in trouble sometimes because I cannot get myself to put it down. Everyone in the LEGION knows how much I loved the Power Machine.....the Kinetic is that ball only stronger! The cool thing about it is that the Kinetic is at a lower price point than the Power was. The Temper is basically the Phoenix....only it is a tad stronger in the backend with the same type of read in the midlane. The Rising is a different type of ball altogether. To have a weightblock weigh as much as the Rising's is sweet and it is definately visible at the pindeck. It seems to carry from any angle.
The new equipment compares favorably with the old stuff. The advantage that Track has gained with the acquisition is that the coverstocks available to be put on any given ball is seemingly limitless. On top of having so many to choose from the coverstocks are also much much stronger. The R&D team at Ebonite has done tremendous work developing these coverstocks and they are leaving the competition in the dust.
Ryan, try one of the new balls. I would suggest either the Kinetic or the Rising......but they do compmliment eachother very well so you may want both.
-Carl
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Post by: Rock77 on July 18, 2007, 06:52:45 AM
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Ryan, try one of the new balls. I would suggest either the Kinetic or the Rising......but they do compmliment eachother very well so you may want both.
-Carl
Just curious how they complement each other. I thought the reaction type on both of them was skid/flip. Are they each designed for different amounts of oil??
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 18, 2007, 07:25:12 AM
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Just curious how they complement each other. I thought the reaction type on both of them was skid/flip.
How do they compliment each other?..Very well The Rising isn't really skid/flip, it's probably defined better as strong arc. Typically we can't get skid/flip for any heavier oil ball due to the surface required on the ball to "handle" heavy oil. Our Delta 1 was one of the flippier pieces I've seen for med/heavy in my career.
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Are they each designed for different amounts of oil??
Yes Ryan, the Rising is designed for med/heavy to heavy and our Kinetic is designed for med to med heavy. However, with our strongest mb produced to date on the Rising (.031), we can control and dictate reaction shape to what we want but surface will still not let us get to skid/flip unless we fine it and polish it perhaps.
Remember how I stopped you from Clint's advice on the layout for the Machine (which I believe you shot 300 with) because that had a mb diff of .025? (can't remember anymore...sad)...anyway, the stronger the mb, the more we can control a ball's reaction shape.
I'm really getting impressed with the Kinetic (sold 2 already and they're not even here yet). Just haven't had any time to bowl but this ball has a very strong but controllable backend reaction for me on the wet/drys....great job Ron and Randy!
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Post by: Rock77 on July 18, 2007, 09:17:21 AM
Rick, thanks for the clarification though. And yes, I did shoot 300 with the Machine, actually, I shot 2 with it!!
Well, if the new stuff is anywhere near as good as the old stuff, I think it's safe to say that I'll like the new stuff very much.
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 19, 2007, 08:36:54 AM
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You know, I have to apologize for asking that question. I read Carl's response too quickly and thought he was saying that the Kinetic and the Temper would complement each other. The Rising is a totally different story. I can see how those balls would work well as a 1-2 punch.
Rick, thanks for the clarification though. And yes, I did shoot 300 with the Machine, actually, I shot 2 with it!!
Well, if the new stuff is anywhere near as good as the old stuff, I think it's safe to say that I'll like the new stuff very much.
No apologies necessary, not here in the Track forum. The Kinetic (being stronger and skid/flip) and Temper (a little weaker and smoother) also compliment each other well. Not only do they posses different reaction shapes, they handle different amounts of oil. As Carl stated, our Temper is basically a Phoenix with a minor adjustment in the core. Anybody ever really interested in the Phoenix, get our Temper when it comes out and you'll have it.
I would like to publicly comment on the fact that Ebonite has lived up to their word on where the Phoenix fell compared to modern day equipment. It did not meet standards as a high performance piece (and Ebonite did not feel it was ethical to charge high performance price when the ball did not perform to that price point) so Ebonite remade it and placed it in our "mid" performance line. They have "never" diverted from this assessment and they lived up to their word about this. KUDOS to you Ebonite!
What more can we ask for from a "business" these days guys/gals, truth and ethics.....they really are an extraordinary company.
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Post by: williewc on July 19, 2007, 09:08:39 AM
and im not talking about just a little death, im talking from going gutter to gutter to straight up the 10 board and barely making it to the pocket
thats one thing i liked about Tracks equipment, i have the Threat, have had it for 4 years or more and it still reacts the same as when i got it, every track ball i have reacts the same as when i bought it new
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 20, 2007, 12:58:33 PM
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i just hope the coverstocks they put on the track balls last longer than the ones they put on the ebonite balls, i have people i bowl with that clean their equipment religiously and their ebonite balls still die after 50-100 games on them
and im not talking about just a little death, im talking from going gutter to gutter to straight up the 10 board and barely making it to the pocket
thats one thing i liked about Tracks equipment, i have the Threat, have had it for 4 years or more and it still reacts the same as when i got it, every track ball i have reacts the same as when i bought it new
willie,
This is where Rick and I need to do our jobs. We have to push for maintenance on coverstocks. As a bowler I clean my equipment after every set. I deep clean to assure that the cover does not take in too much oil and have it stay there. Clean n Dull with the proper grit scotchbrite works wonders. I have 2 TNVs and each one has over 150 games now and I have not seen a loss in reaction.
I have quite a few games on my Rising and my Kinetic and I have not seen a loss in reaction at all. Just keep them clean. To be honest I do not know if the spray cleaners deep clean enough. If you are unable to deep clean your equipment at the bowling center use Power Wash at the center then deep clean again with Clean n Dull(and proper scotchbrite) when you get home to assure a clean coverstock.
-Carl
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Post by: Brunner on July 20, 2007, 01:05:15 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 20, 2007, 01:11:23 PM
quote:
What is the proper scotchbrite to use?
Brunner,
The proper scotchbrite is determined by the ball that you want to clean. For instance: if I wanted to deep clean my Kinetic I would use a white scotchbrite pad and Power House Clean n Dull. Apply the Clean n Dull directly onto the scotchbrite and wipe over half of the ball in small circular motions. The key here is to APPLY VERY LITTLE PRESSURE(this helps to make sure that you do not alter the grit on the surface of the ball, thus keeping it close to OOB) and spread the Clean n Dull to the point where it covers half of the ball. I allow it to sit for about 20 seconds and wipe it off with a dry towel. Repeat the same process for the other half of the ball.
When I am done I use a damp cloth and go over the surface of the ball to remove any residue that may remain.
If you were do this to a dull ball, such as the Ebonite GameBreaker you would want to use a grey scotchbrite pad.
Goodluck,
Carl
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Post by: Brunner on July 20, 2007, 01:17:47 PM
arsenal angular
SSPEX
triton elite pearl
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 20, 2007, 01:57:56 PM
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Will Track follow this procedure or will they go back to just the names of the coverstock with no regards to information of actual OOB surface? Columbia has names for their coverstocks, but thank god they actually have the surface prep listed as well.
Hey Six,
I believe this info will be on our ball talkers and/or drill sheets. Carl and I just went over this subject with Fig as well. I think because old Columbia and other companies bought "their" coverstocks directly that they had to rename it to not give other companies any clues as to what it was. It also could have been a marketing strategy.
However, since Ebonite creates their own veneers (which would take a genius or fantastic chemist to replicate), they don't have to worry about duplication or replication so the finish on the end product does not have to be hidden compared to the other companies.
This is a great question showing our company as to how intelligent and informed our Track bowlers are. Thanks Hitman...
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 20, 2007, 02:41:50 PM
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I knew you guys had every angle covered. I am glad you guys are helping to spearhead this new rebirth and beginning of Track. I can guarantee it is in good hands!!
Well, you know how detailed and anal I am about things...
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Post by: Big_Daddy_357 on July 20, 2007, 02:47:41 PM
quote:quote:
I knew you guys had every angle covered. I am glad you guys are helping to spearhead this new rebirth and beginning of Track. I can guarantee it is in good hands!!
Well, you know how detailed and anal I am about things...
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 20, 2007, 03:06:22 PM
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Yo Prez, where's my 'Incredibles' uniform? ...
Should we do it?...LMAO....you gotta ask the other hitmen first and get a unanimous vote. We would be disclosing high priority information...
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Post by: Big_Daddy_357 on July 20, 2007, 03:16:00 PM
quote:quote:
Yo Prez, where's my 'Incredibles' uniform? ...
Should we do it?...LMAO....you gotta ask the other hitmen first and get a unanimous vote. We would be disclosing high priority information...
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Post by: williewc on July 20, 2007, 03:36:31 PM
quote:quote:
What is the proper scotchbrite to use?
Brunner,
The proper scotchbrite is determined by the ball that you want to clean. For instance: if I wanted to deep clean my Kinetic I would use a white scotchbrite pad and Power House Clean n Dull. Apply the Clean n Dull directly onto the scotchbrite and wipe over half of the ball in small circular motions. The key here is to APPLY VERY LITTLE PRESSURE(this helps to make sure that you do not alter the grit on the surface of the ball, thus keeping it close to OOB) and spread the Clean n Dull to the point where it covers half of the ball. I allow it to sit for about 20 seconds and wipe it off with a dry towel. Repeat the same process for the other half of the ball.
When I am done I use a damp cloth and go over the surface of the ball to remove any residue that may remain.
If you were do this to a dull ball, such as the Ebonite GameBreaker you would want to use a grey scotchbrite pad.
Goodluck,
Carl
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i do this every time i bowl, so no worries about my equipment dieing, thats what im saying, i dont have any doubts about my equipment because i do keep them clean and use clean and dull on my equipment each time i bowl
have never done a hot water bath to my balls, might give it a try and see how it works
but the one guy im talking about most of all uses my clean and dull on his ebonite equipment and it still hasnt lasted, he has the Black Ice, Crossfire, V2 Sweet, and none of them reacts as good as when he first bought them, but he isnt the only one that has noticed a difference in ball reaction, but he is the only one that i know cleans his stuff like i do, because he cleans his the same way i do mine using my clean and dull
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 20, 2007, 03:58:12 PM
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Glad to hear that Rick.......Now it won't bother me to continue to insult you....lol
BO, there isn't much I haven't been called or referred to...and after being married 17 years, there's not much "anyone" can say to me that affects me...
No harm bud...all in fun. Simple rule in my life, if I don't have to go to sleep with you at nite or wake up to you in the morning?...Life goes on..I do however enjoy trash talking while we bowl or when I'm collecting my pot and bracket winnings...
This has GOT to be the busiest Friday we've had on BR...lol
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 20, 2007, 10:34:06 PM
Unless you have sanded any of those balls I would use a white scotchbrite pad OR 2000-4000grit abralon pads.
-Carl
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 21, 2007, 04:04:28 PM
quote:
Do any have symmetrical cores or are all 3 assymetrical cores?
What is the strength and spin time of the assymetric cores on each ball if any have assymetric cores?...Example .025 and 6 seconds etc. etc.
Seems I heard the Rising has an assymetric core but not sure on that. However I haven't heard anything on the Kenetic and Temper cores.
BO,
All three releases are asymmetrical, although the intermediate diff on the Kinetic and the Temper are very very low(which makes the mb placement not nearly as important as in a stronger asym).
The Temper has a intermediate differential of .003
The Kinetic's is .006
The Risings is .031
The Rising has the highest intermediate differential put into a single density core. As far as the spin time....I am unsure on that, but I will get an answer ASAP.
-Carl
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on July 21, 2007, 04:34:20 PM
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PLUS!!!!!
THE TRACK TOURNEY IS BACK ON, BABY!! AND THAT SH*T IS MINE THIS YEAR! LMAO
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I dont know about it being on you buddy, I think I might a thing or to to say about that. I plan on starting the year off like I did last year. Then keeping it going and not dieing off the face of the earth. LOL.
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on July 21, 2007, 05:06:24 PM
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Then keeping it going and not dieing off the face of the earth. LOL.
Scoot, you are too close too the ground so that may not be preventable....lol
Hey I may be little but I am not as short as rick. Yet for us shorter guys it is alot easier for us to get the ball to the flat spot. You dont hear us all the time with the "O my knee!" or "My lower back is killing me!" I hear that one alot from some people.
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on July 26, 2007, 01:32:20 AM
I'm sure that I'm getting the Rising to be the strongest piece in my arsenal, and have been considering different drills.
As you see here, this is the drill that I have on my Contender, which despite its age is the strongest ball I have, even stronger then my MM:
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5210301
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5210287
What I'd like to know is, how would a layout like this (Contender) fare on the Rising, and more importantly, is it a good layout?
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 26, 2007, 09:51:55 AM
quote:
Ok Carl, I got a question for ya.
I'm sure that I'm getting the Rising to be the strongest piece in my arsenal, and have been considering different drills.
As you see here, this is the drill that I have on my Contender, which despite its age is the strongest ball I have, even stronger then my MM:
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5210301
*Not Carl but the smaller and better looking version*
X, the layout appears to be about a 2-2.5 pin to your listed pap (in profile). What this is doing for you is that the weight block is rotating and falling faster which is why you're getting a stronger movement.
With the pin in this position, it is also offsetting some of your speed which then again allows for the earlier and stronger movement. It's all still about matching up buddy.
If you were to place this drill on the Rising? I'd have to say that you'll need some very heavy oil to be able to use it on based on your revs to speed ratio.
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on July 26, 2007, 04:20:30 PM
quote:
*Not Carl but the smaller and better looking version*
With the pin in this position, it is also offsetting some of your speed which then again allows for the earlier and stronger movement. It's all still about matching up buddy.
If you were to place this drill on the Rising? I'd have to say that you'll need some very heavy oil to be able to use it on based on your revs to speed ratio.
Lol Rick! The answer you gave me-Just what I was looking for. I think that's exactly the layout I'm going to go for with the Rising, thank you.
Now....Just need to decide on what I'm gonna do with the Kinetic...
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 26, 2007, 04:42:34 PM
quote:
Lol Rick! The answer you gave me (gotta have some fun dude) -Just what I was looking for. I think that's exactly the layout I'm going to go for with the Rising, thank you.
Now....Just need to decide on what I'm gonna do with the Kinetic...
Have fun with this ball as well, I chose to go pin over ring with the mb strong (in Tennessee) and it gives me great length with a very strong backend (completely controllable though). I pulled it out last nite with Dpat and his crew and had anywhere from 25 to about 7, 5-6 out was OB unless you went straight up)
I had to show the kids who was boss!...
Coming back tonite for Tag Team coaching (part 2), they bugged me for it...didn't they D?Ron and Randy really have done a great job with this ball.
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Post by: bowler257628 on July 26, 2007, 05:05:05 PM
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Post by: bowler257628 on July 26, 2007, 07:12:01 PM
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on July 26, 2007, 07:21:03 PM
Sorry if this has been asked already, but can we expect to see a new Track logo?
I like the one we currently have, just asking.
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Post by: spinner031 on July 26, 2007, 08:07:02 PM
Post by: spinner031 on July 26, 2007, 08:07:48 PM
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on July 26, 2007, 09:23:42 PM
Unfortunately, I still remember the 141 I shot before the 300, and the 144 I threw afterwards.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 26, 2007, 11:34:38 PM
Ofcourse I am only kidding.
Carl
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Post by: MC on July 27, 2007, 11:54:07 AM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 27, 2007, 02:21:58 PM
-Carl
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Post by: bowler257628 on July 27, 2007, 04:44:04 PM
What would happen if all the hitmen went into an all you can eat buffet?
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Post by: Big_Daddy_357 on July 27, 2007, 05:19:42 PM
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okay I gotta question..
What would happen if all the hitmen went into an all you can eat buffet?
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Post by: Big_Daddy_357 on July 27, 2007, 05:24:07 PM
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For one, you would have to check your weapons.
We would have to call 2-3 weeks in advance so they can start cooking enough for us that day.
Each one would need their own table because no one wants nubs where fingers used to be reaching for food across the table.
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on July 28, 2007, 06:37:38 PM
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Post by: bowler257628 on July 28, 2007, 08:24:07 PM
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Post by: six pack on July 28, 2007, 11:24:55 PM
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I'll give up my NO MERCY when they pry it from my cold dead hands.
Post by: Xfest on July 28, 2007, 11:27:47 PM
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well if I don't see some vids soon I'll be looking somewhere else for my next ball.so when should we expect to see the new track stuff?
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I'll give up my NO MERCY when they pry it from my cold dead hands.
Hit it up with Storm... Thats if your tired of waiting.
There stuff has been delayed up to two months behind.. And all the trackers do is wait it out.
Post by: williewc on July 29, 2007, 12:06:12 AM
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There stuff has been delayed up to two months behind.. And all the trackers do is wait it out.
thats because we dont mind waiting for the best to come out, and if you cant wait 2 more weeks then i guess you can get a second rate ball
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 29, 2007, 08:36:29 AM
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well if I don't see some vids soon I'll be looking somewhere else for my next ball.so when should we expect to see the new track stuff?
I hope to have some videos soon. I know there will be some videos on the website as well.
I know that many of you are becoming impatient, understandably so. One thing that you all need to know is that each and every one of these balls are worth the wait.
The Kinetic is due out August 13. I expect this ball to make a huge splash!
-Carl
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Post by: SteveAustin2808 on July 29, 2007, 08:55:37 AM
I'm backing up Carl on the Kinetic making that 'splash'. When I threw it at the demo I went to, it definitely gave me a reaction that is what I like to call 'Track' worthy. Plus, Figs explained the direction of each brand under the umbrella of Ebonite and Track is going in the right direction...everyone just give it some time, I promise you as Carl said, this is worth the wait!!
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Post by: Xfest on July 29, 2007, 01:58:21 PM
quote:quote:
thats because we dont mind waiting for the best to come out, and if you cant wait 2 more weeks then i guess you can get a second rate ball
I agree......That Willie knows his stuff...
Good luck. More people won with Storm last year than any other brand.
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on July 29, 2007, 02:04:53 PM
Anyway, I'm sure if you tried really hard, and shelled out some extra dough, you could get a hold of those before hand.
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Post by: Xfest on July 29, 2007, 05:25:59 PM
quote:quote:
Good luck. More people won with Storm last year than any other brand.
So what is that supposed to mean? Like Sixcranker says..." How many of us are on the pro tour"?
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Not alot, but many participate in regionals and etc.
Post by: williewc on July 29, 2007, 05:26:35 PM
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thats because we dont mind waiting for the best to come out, and if you cant wait 2 more weeks then i guess you can get a second rate ball
I agree......That Willie knows his stuff...
Good luck. More people won with Storm last year than any other brand.
but didnt the guy that had the most points on tour ... Wes Malott...use Track to get all those points?
he also finished 3rd in earnings, second in match play appearances, 1st in Championship appearances, 2nd in season average, he also cashed in every even he played in
more people using other products, only 1 person using Track for the whole season and he had the most points..hmmmm...that tells me Track was the best out there
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Post by: Xfest on July 29, 2007, 05:27:51 PM
quote:quote:quote:quote:
thats because we dont mind waiting for the best to come out, and if you cant wait 2 more weeks then i guess you can get a second rate ball
I agree......That Willie knows his stuff...
Good luck. More people won with Storm last year than any other brand.
but didnt the guy that had the most points on tour ... Wes Malott...use Track to get all those points?
he also finished 3rd in earnings, second in match play appearances, 1st in Championship appearances, 2nd in season average, he also cashed in every even he played in
more people using other products, only 1 person using Track for the whole season and he had the most points..hmmmm...that tells me Track was the best out there
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That tells me why he transfered to Columbia300.
Good one.
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 29, 2007, 05:30:07 PM
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Post by: Xfest on July 29, 2007, 05:35:50 PM
Look I have nothing on Track, or their products.. I use all kinds of products, and am thinking of drilling up the Resurgence. There was not enough products for me to support. I liked the Machine and the Mean Machine.. I just ventured off after Del Warren had left, and never came back. I recently just threw a 300 down with a Storm Secret Agent, and probably won't give up on them.
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 29, 2007, 05:39:19 PM
I am not taking offensively to anything you said. I am chiming in because of the Wes comment. Wes is an awesome guy.....extremely awesome off of the lanes. It was a great pleasure to meet him and work with him at Bowl Expo.
All I am saying is this: It is unfair for you to make a statement about him leaving Track to go to C300. You do not know the situation. If you knew the situation you would not make that type of comment.
-Carl
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Post by: Xfest on July 29, 2007, 05:48:04 PM
My contribution to this thread is that I used to be a Tracker. I used to love their products, and threw 6 of their products exclusively. What my intentions were, was that I was letting them know they are turning many off because of delayed releases. I had thoughts of drilling up a Rising and now I find out its 2 months delayed? And now I'm hearing that Staff has theirs 3 MONTHS early? Iffy if you ask me.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 29, 2007, 05:55:15 PM
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Tell me the truth at why he went to Columbia300?
This is between him and Ebonite Intl. It has nothing to do with us or the equipment. That is my final answer.
ALTHOUGH....he looked freakin' unbelieveable throwing the Kinetic and Rising at the product showcase.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 29, 2007, 06:09:19 PM
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Did you ever think the Rising might be delayed because there are SEVERAL companies in production under the Ebonite umbrella
VERY good point six....
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Post by: Xfest on July 29, 2007, 06:16:13 PM
And to the release thing, what is coming out that everyone is so worried about? To my knowledge, most of the big releases for all the Ebonite Intl. companies was released in the last month. Over how many releases? Anger, Gamebreaker, Raid, etc.. I don't get your point about that.
Post by: Xfest on July 29, 2007, 06:28:23 PM
I'm done. You all are obviously uptight about how long it has taken to release new products, and are hiding why Wes was transfered, or how he "ended up" at Columbia. Also, there must be a slew more of balls coming out huh? To my knowledge, Ebonite has released SEVERAL releases, along with Hammer, and Columbia is releasing August. Sounds like there putting Track on the back burner.
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 29, 2007, 06:32:32 PM
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That tells me why he transfered to Columbia300.
Hey Kenny,
It was in the best interest under the Ebonite family for Wes to move to Columbia vs Track. I'd prefer to not go into details and any "official" comments should come from Ebonite regarding this matter.
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Not alot, but many participate in regionals and etc.
What do you mean by "many"? Are you sure, do you have statistics and data that support your comment that the PBA or even PBA Regionals are "making" money? The unfortunate situation of the PWBA folded because of "why"? The PBA was bought and sold because....?
Please Kenny, you are a bright young man but please do not make assessments unless you can support them with some factual data.
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Post by: Xfest on July 29, 2007, 06:35:14 PM
Simply stated, Track does not have a whole lot of exposure. And when you hear pro's talk down on Track, and saying that they offered there Amateur Staff position down, obviously something is wrong.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 29, 2007, 06:37:59 PM
Ebonite, Hammer and C300s releases are hitting the market sooner because they had their brand managers in place sooner. Nothing more nothing less.
As for the Wes Mellott situation....that is his business. I am sorry if you cannot respect that. I simply came on to let you know that you were incorrect in your stance as to why it happened. It is not my place to give out the specifics.
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Post by: williewc on July 29, 2007, 06:39:21 PM
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Oh, never once did I ever say that I was more superior to anyone on these boards. I simply asked why were the releases pushed back? And then I get told I was useless posting?
I'm done. You all are obviously uptight about how long it has taken to release new products, and are hiding why Wes was transfered, or how he "ended up" at Columbia. Also, there must be a slew more of balls coming out huh? To my knowledge, Ebonite has released SEVERAL releases, along with Hammer, and Columbia is releasing August. Sounds like there putting Track on the back burner.
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Ebonite and Hammer have had their brand managers in position for years, Columbia had their brand manager a couple months before Track did, so they have had more time to work on their stuff than Track has
i used to think they were putting Track on the back burner also and it pissed me off to no end, then others pointed out those things of why they are later than the rest, im a Trackster, ive never spend money on any other brand, i do have a Columbia Action i won in a raffle, spent $3 on that ball, i love the Track gear, will continue to use and wait on their stuff until it doesnt match up with me anymore
the only other brand i have even thought about buying is Morich, and im still looking at the LevRG, its a pretty interesting ball
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 29, 2007, 06:46:18 PM
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I don't think I know it all. I'm stating my opinions of things, and trying to figure out why there was such a LONG delay for equipment that has soo much potential.
Let me try and answer this for you bud, picture the amount of people you have in your household. NOW, lets add about 15 more people that your Mom and Dad have to cook for on the same stove...
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 29, 2007, 07:04:40 PM
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Hey Rick, you and I were on the same wavelength!! LMAO
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NOW, lets add about 15 more people that your Mom and Dad have to cook for on the same stove...
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Then do a release on all 4 brands at the same time.
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So Ken, sorry bud but a little more detail..it's okay to discuss, we're just trying to help and no one is trying to pick on you, especially not me.
Back to my analogy, 15 more mouths to feed, if one person in the house gets his plate before another, does that mean they're more important than the next one?
Track is NOT on the backburner, all 15 kids would be just as important to your Mom and Dad but somebody's getting their plate last, right?
Unfortunately for me, I was the youngest and smallest so it was me....lol
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 29, 2007, 07:12:36 PM
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Hey Rick, you and I were on the same wavelength!! LMAO
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Hey Six.....That may be true, but I still waiting on Rick for my...
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 29, 2007, 08:12:19 PM
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and THAT'S why you are a HITMAN!
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And damn proud to be one too!
Attaboy...but I still have one question, shouldn't our VP also have to take a bullet for me?...HAHAHA..
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Post by: bowler257628 on July 30, 2007, 12:31:40 AM
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on July 30, 2007, 01:06:47 AM
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and THAT'S why you are a HITMAN!
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And damn proud to be one too!
Attaboy...but I still have one question, shouldn't our VP also have to take a bullet for me?...HAHAHA..
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No he is a VP. He does what the VP only does, he cast the deciding vote over what Hitman gets the last peace of cake or pie, when we can't deside amoung ourselves. I am 5'10" so I would walk in front of Rick. Yet it would have to be a few feet in front because if I did take a hit I would need falling roon. The last thing we need is Rick having me or any of the Hitmen landing on him.
Also figs I want my pull over, and you never came to the shop and I recall you saying something about a steak dinner. You can't just talk about a steak dinner around a Hitman and not come through. I think my fellow Hitmen will back me up on that. Like my grandma said the time I ordered the 22oz. New Yourk strip with the add on of the lobster tail and shrimp. "You gona eat all that mark.", I replyed, "O yes grandma and I am eyeballing that photo of the wild berry pie also."
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on July 30, 2007, 01:38:21 AM
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Like my grandma said the time I ordered the 22oz. New York strip with the add on of the lobster tail and shrimp. "You gona eat all that mark.", I replied, "Oh yes grandma and I am eyeballing that photo of the wild berry pie also."
Spoken like a true Hitman as well!!
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Well what els it there to eat at a Road House. Heck I even ate the salad they gave me first. The meal put up a good fight all the way down to the potato and then that pie. It almost knocked me out, untill I went down a loop on the ole belt. Lol.
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Post by: williewc on July 30, 2007, 05:37:11 AM
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Like my grandma said the time I ordered the 22oz. New York strip with the add on of the lobster tail and shrimp. "You gona eat all that mark.", I replied, "Oh yes grandma and I am eyeballing that photo of the wild berry pie also."
Spoken like a true Hitman as well!!
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Well what els it there to eat at a Road House. Heck I even ate the salad they gave me first. The meal put up a good fight all the way down to the potato and then that pie. It almost knocked me out, untill I went down a loop on the ole belt. Lol.
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i usually get the 24oz sirloin when i hit up Texas Roadhouse, it puts a hurtin on me with all the fixins but i have yet to leave anything when i leave lol, but i usually pass on dessert
you guys just need to hit up Texas Roadhouse and get the 32oz sirloin they have, that will put a hurtin on anyone
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Post by: six pack on July 30, 2007, 06:11:13 AM
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I'll give up my NO MERCY when they pry it from my cold dead hands.
Post by: spinner031 on July 31, 2007, 05:54:38 PM
Is the Kinetic a solid or pearl?
Post by: six pack on July 31, 2007, 06:03:32 PM
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I'll give up my NO MERCY when they pry it from my cold dead hands.
Post by: spinner031 on July 31, 2007, 06:11:19 PM
Post by: spinner031 on July 31, 2007, 06:11:59 PM
Post by: six pack on July 31, 2007, 08:15:22 PM
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Post by: spinner031 on July 31, 2007, 08:26:52 PM
Post by: six pack on July 31, 2007, 08:32:49 PM
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Could someone compare it to the Mean Machine as well? Take care of Six Pack first, but I want to know how it compares to the MM as far as overall hook and reaction shape. Any other useful notes appreciated, thanks.
I don't know if you have a MM but I would'nt consider my MM a skid/snap ball.mine is clean in the heads and has a very hard arc in the mids/backend.it hits very hard but dose'nt have the recovery on the backend like a skid/snap ball.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 31, 2007, 09:11:15 PM
I have only seen the Immortal Pearl thrown once, so comparing it with the Kinetic would be difficult. I will state this though.....I have thrown alot of bowling balls and the Kinetic turns the corner harder than anything I have thrown.
spinner,
It is alot different than the MM. As mentioned already, and I saw the same thing, the MM was an extremely strong arc in the backend. It does cover some boards down the lane, but nothing at the breakpoint like what the Kinetic will. The Kinetic is solid....
As for the low differentials: I cannot explain why a ball with lower differential would turn the corner like the Kinetic....but it does. The Temper on the other hand picks up roughly 2ft sooner than turns. In all honesty....the Temper is an improved Phoenix. It is the Phoenix with continuation.
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Post by: Weaser on July 31, 2007, 09:21:04 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 31, 2007, 09:29:06 PM
SO FAR I think with the proper layout that the Temper could be used on some drier conditions....or at the very least med/light.
The Kinetic is going to shine on mediums to medium/heavy. On the medium/heavy patterns it is going to need to be able to find friction....but when it does it will turn over very strong.
The Rising is a heavy oil ball.....that is extremely versatile. With the proper surface prep I think it would make a very good ball on mediums as well. Rarely does a company release a ball like this that will do almost anything!
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Post by: spinner031 on July 31, 2007, 09:47:57 PM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 31, 2007, 09:54:23 PM
OOB the Kinetic wants to get down the lane and prepare to expends its energy at the breakpoint. I feel that with your game you will probably need to adjust the surface a bit. I have not seen it with a different surface prep.....(thinking of trying mine at a lower grit), but I think it would be very strong. FOR ME OOB it is stronger than the Machine was.
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Post by: six pack on July 31, 2007, 09:55:44 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 31, 2007, 09:57:10 PM
It reacts like pearl bud. LONG and STRONG.
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Post by: spinner031 on July 31, 2007, 09:59:29 PM
HEY! I just got a perfect comparison! Kinetic to Black Widow Solid?
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 31, 2007, 10:04:22 PM
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Carl, and how does the Kinetic compare to the Mean Machine? The Mean Machine is supposed to be the ultimate compliment to the Machine?
HEY! I just got a perfect comparison! Kinetic to Black Widow Solid?
a few posts back i answered the question about the mean machine
I may have to take the Kinetic down to 4000 and see if the BW is a good comparison.
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Post by: six pack on July 31, 2007, 10:09:23 PM
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six,
It reacts like pearl bud. LONG and STRONG.
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interested in something I can get past drying heads and when the track area blows wide open.the kinetic is starting to sound like a no mercy or black widow.I'm also a rev dom player so a pearl would probably be better for what I'm looking for.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 31, 2007, 10:12:49 PM
LONG and STRONG......skid/flip.....that is not a no mercy or bw. I guess the best option is for you to view it on the lanes.
I hope to have videos up soon, on the new website.
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Post by: six pack on July 31, 2007, 10:18:41 PM
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six,
LONG and STRONG......skid/flip.....that is not a no mercy or bw. I guess the best option is for you to view it on the lanes.
I hope to have videos up soon, on the new website.
Carl
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well now that you know what I'm looking for and still think it's what I'm looking for then I'll wait.some vids would be very helpfull I guess.how would you compare it to an intense inferno?if you have ever thrown one ofcourse.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 31, 2007, 10:20:31 PM
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Post by: six pack on July 31, 2007, 10:24:43 PM
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More length than the Intense, much much cleaner through the heads.....and more backend.
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well now that's what I want to hear!can't wait to see the vids,hopefully soon.
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Post by: NJStroker on July 31, 2007, 11:31:50 PM
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Post by: pate08 on July 31, 2007, 11:59:07 PM
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Super Trooper
Power Groove
Power Machine(2)
Action
Black Widow
Awesome Revs
White Dot
Phoenix - for sale
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High Series - 748
Post by: Xfest on August 01, 2007, 12:06:30 AM
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Is the "Ball-A-Day Giveaway" going to start up again?
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Doubtful. They are just trying to start up again, and would only have 3 choices to choose from. So, once again, doubtful.
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Post by: williewc on August 01, 2007, 02:14:14 AM
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Is the "Ball-A-Day Giveaway" going to start up again?
they stopped that when Del left Track
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on August 01, 2007, 03:07:00 AM
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Is the "Ball-A-Day Giveaway" going to start up again?
they stopped that when Del left Track
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Yes but Paul Figs is crazy, Good crazy. He want to get people on the path that we are on. I could see him doing something with ball giveaways. He wants to see Track equipment out there, because he feels that Tracks stuff is so good that once you drilled one you cant stop and you will want another.
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Post by: bgh on August 01, 2007, 03:20:30 AM
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Yes but Paul Figs is crazy, Good crazy. He want to get people on the path that we are on. I could see him doing something with ball giveaways. He wants to see Track equipment out there, because he feels that Tracks stuff is so good that once you drilled one you cant stop and you will want another.
Yep, Amen, I was lucky enough to win 2 Track balls on the Track-Ball-a-day-Giveaway (Green Machine and Power Machine) - Once I saw the value in the product, I then bought the Mean Machine, Equation, and a second Power Machine.
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Post by: williewc on August 01, 2007, 06:24:35 AM
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Is the "Ball-A-Day Giveaway" going to start up again?
they stopped that when Del left Track
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Yes but Paul Figs is crazy, Good crazy. He want to get people on the path that we are on. I could see him doing something with ball giveaways. He wants to see Track equipment out there, because he feels that Tracks stuff is so good that once you drilled one you cant stop and you will want another.
i wouldnt mind them doing it again, maybe i could win another ball, won on the last one and picked the Machine, if i win this time i will get the Kinetic, as im sure ill buy the Rising in Oct, or get it as a Christmas present to myself lol
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