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dw23

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Track Freak Out vs Track Thrash
« on: May 12, 2003, 09:54:10 PM »
Easy question for the people who have thrown both. Do they cover the same conditions and parts of the lane?
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Re: Track Freak Out vs Track Thrash
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2003, 02:03:04 PM »
I can't answer, I would normally tell you how the FO although it looks like a pearl is actually the same WOW II cover as the Freak. Whereas the Thrash is the WOW II pearl which has a lower load of particles & will more than likely be for more medium to light conditions.

I would also normally tell you that the FO will be much more tweakable through drilling due to the Morpheus core & having a marked mass bias, VS. the lightbulb flipblock core in the Thrash.

I would tell you to look at people currently throwing the Threat if you want an idea of what the Thrash will do because both of them have the exact same RG, Diff, & coverstock. However depending on how you drill it the Thrash might move a little earlier than the Threat due to the flip block in it. So keep that in mind when watching people throw the Threat & relating it to the Thrash.

Finally I would normally summarize by saying the Thrash looks to be a bit weaker ball than the F.O. due to the F.O. using a higher load particle & the Morpheus core.

If you're bowling on lighter to medium patterns the Thrash may work better for you. The heavier the pattern gets, the further past the breakpoint the Thrash will tend to skid & you may want to look at the F.O. at that point.

Then again. All of this is what I WOULD have said.

HOWEVER,

Since I haven't thrown either of the balls & according to some of the people on here the only way you can help make reccommendations is by throwing the ball, all of this is rubbish & you should ignore everything I just wrote.

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BJE

Edited on 5/13/2003 2:03 PM

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Re: Track Freak Out vs Track Thrash
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2003, 02:12:21 PM »
I have not drilled up my Thrash yet, but I did recently drill up a Threat and it outhooks my Freak out by about 5-7 boards. The Threat was drilled to hook late (label leverage) and my Freak Out was drilled to hook early so its kind of hard put much merit in me saying the Threat out hooks the Freak Out.

The Threat does seem to carry much better than my Freak Out.

I will post my findings on the Thrash after I have it drilled up sometime in the next week or so..

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dw23

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Re: Track Freak Out vs Track Thrash
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2003, 03:41:48 PM »
My Freak Out covers more boards than my Threat but the Threat has a more violent snap. The Threat seems to carry better from inside while my Freak Out hits better from an outside angle with more head oil. The Threat does seem to quit on me if the mid lane dries up so I'm hoping the Thrash has a little more over all hook.
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Re: Track Freak Out vs Track Thrash
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2003, 04:25:09 PM »
Note: in comparing all of these, remember...The Freak Out and Threat have the same coverstock, one is polished the other is finished compound, so they will react differently just from the coverstock. The Threat is more of a mid-lane read ball, the taller, thinner core on the Freak Out will tend to give the most length of all these balls all other things being equal.  NOTE AGAIN, however, that the reaction of these seems very drill dependent.
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Re: Track Freak Out vs Track Thrash
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2003, 05:47:33 PM »
quote:
Note: in comparing all of these, remember...The Freak Out and Threat have the same coverstock, one is polished the other is finished compound, so they will react differently just from the coverstock. The Threat is more of a mid-lane read ball, the taller, thinner core on the Freak Out will tend to give the most length of all these balls all other things being equal.  NOTE AGAIN, however, that the reaction of these seems very drill dependent.


Term, Are you sure about that?

Please take no offense, but I don't believe that to be correct.

The Freak Out is offically billed as the WOW II coverstock, but not the pearl.

I've tried to get Track to clear this up through a few different e-mails, but have never gotten a clear answer.

I look forward to your answer.

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Re: Track Freak Out vs Track Thrash
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2003, 03:08:43 AM »
B, I asked Track the specific question about the coverstock on the Freak Out and the Threat.  The answer I was given by Track is that they are the same coverstock, the only difference being that the Freak Out is finished with a compound finish, while the Threat is polished.  Having both of them in my hands, I also checked it out.  Same coverstock, just different finishes.  The Track website is just not as precise as it should be.
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Re: Track Freak Out vs Track Thrash
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2003, 04:27:58 AM »
I have both the Threat and the Freak out and for me terminator is right on the money. The threat reads the mid lane and the Freak out goes longer and has a more pronounced move to the pocket. According to Tracks numbers the Thrash is right between the other 2 for both length and back end.


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Re: Track Freak Out vs Track Thrash
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2003, 04:48:59 AM »
Well I've seen both used on the same lanes just last night!

The Thrash is a very good ball.  Definitely the same coverstock as the Threat.

The core of the Thrash is the same as the TKO which is very similar to the Elite and Elite Pearl.

To me watching the Thrash is the same as watching the Elite Pearl with todays slightly more controlled coverstock on the slicker oils of today.

The Elite pearl had a great season in my house this year as is the Thrash now.
To me it appears Thrash is ever so slightly earlier than the Threat and develops a little more backend, (not much).

The Freak out is very similar but because of it's strong mass bias a lot can be done with drilling to change it's hook shape.  A good friend of mine has two one with the mass bias two inches from his PAP(very angular) another with the mass bias 5 inches from his PAP milder.

In strength I would say it goes.
Threat good lenght with a strong archy move
Thrasher very even with good smooth flip at end.
Freak out similar start as Thrasher more possibilities due to mass bias.

There is a lot of overlap in these three balls.

The Thrash is a great match up for many mediums, the Freak out can really be set up to max out the backend.

To give you an idea, my friend who loves heis Thrash says this is his best reaction since his Demolition Zone(his best ball ever both for himself, and for his customers. He said he couldn't drill a bad one).  He needs balls that supply him a little extra backend and that he can put the petal to the metal speed wise and they still hook for him.

REgards,

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Re: Track Freak Out vs Track Thrash
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2003, 08:33:24 AM »
Thanks for the clarification Term.

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Re: Track Freak Out vs Track Thrash
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2003, 05:23:49 AM »
Let me just say I think the track website.

www.trackbowling.com does a great job of comparing these three balls.

From their site.
Threat = length 7 backend 6.5
Thrash = length 6 backend 8
Freak out = length 5.5 backend 9(if drilled to take advantage of mass bias._)

This perfectly describes what I thought I had seen of these balls.
All 3 cover very similar lane conditions but the Threat will handle fresh better and the Freak out will handle carrydown better.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS obviously thrash dead in the middle of both!!

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