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Equipment Boards => Track => Topic started by: ajensen on January 24, 2017, 11:08:47 AM
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This is the best bang for your buck when it comes to asymmetric and over all hook potential. This ball is one of the most hard hitting balls I've ever thrown. When this ball hits the pins it grabs everyones attention. The Track Kinetic glides thru the front end and responds very well down lane. It gives you a sharper entry angle to the pocket with control. Due to the modified Kinetic asymmetric core. As the Track Mako starts to eat up the oil. The Track Kinetic takes over and delivers a great 1-2 punch and devour your competion. Both the Mako and Kinetic will perform well together on your typical house shot and also the Open Championships.
Andrew Jensen
Manager at Bowlersmart Cherry Valley
Inside Of The Cherry Bowl
Track Staff
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Wasn't the Kinetic discontinued along time ago?
Do you, by chance, mean the new Kinetic Emerald?
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Not really assym. But whatever I'm not a staffer lol
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Sorry for the mix up. Was trying to emphasize how excited I am with this ball. Not trying to discuss previous older balls. I can see how that would confuse people. So I changed the title. Thank you.
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The ! at the end of the subject makes it honest.
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http://www.trackbowling.com/products/balls/mid-performance/kinetic-emerald
It is an asymmetric ball. I am leaving this link so you can check it out.
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.005 is an assym? Isn't that below the limit that technically makes it a viable assym?
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Not sure. There is a marking on the ball for the Mass Bias. The description on the side of our website also declares it as asymmetric. Just thought I would show you why I posted that.
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Sorry for the mix up. Was trying to emphasize how excited I am with this ball. Not trying to discuss previous older balls. I can see how that would confuse people. So I changed the title. Thank you.
A friend just got one and he is equally enthusiastic. Rant away; this ball may very well deserve it. :)
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.005 is an assym? Isn't that below the limit that technically makes it a viable assym?
But once drilled, I'd bet 95% have intermediate differentials in the .015" range!!
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This is getting sad....
"[Enter Ball Name Here] is one of the best balls I have ever thrown! [Enter Company Name Here] has really grabbed the attention of bowlers with this one. With the [Enter Cover Name Here] wrapped around the [Enter Core Name and Specs Here] you have a ball that gets through the heads with ease and make a strong continous move through the pocket leaving nothing in sight!"
I know it's all marketing but can companies stop forcing staff members to write reviews?
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.005 is an assym? Isn't that below the limit that technically makes it a viable assym?
But once drilled, I'd bet 95% have intermediate differentials in the .015" range!!
Where's Mo when you need him??
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.005 is an assym? Isn't that below the limit that technically makes it a viable assym?
But once drilled, I'd bet 95% have intermediate differentials in the .015" range!!
Where's Mo when you need him??
making asymmetric symmetric cores!
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.005 is an assym? Isn't that below the limit that technically makes it a viable assym?
But once drilled, I'd bet 95% have intermediate differentials in the .015" range!!
Where's Mo when you need him??
making asymmetric symmetric cores!
Seems legit.
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They mark It on the ball so you can be "technical" all of the kenetics, 505's have the exact same mass bias markings...Usually pin/cg/mb are all in a line cuz it's just a marked virtual mass bias.
It's a track thing.
However this core is probably my favorite out of all the Kentucky balls.vety happy to see it back. Let's hope the cover is any good...
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.005 is an assym? Isn't that below the limit that technically makes it a viable assym?
But once drilled, I'd bet 95% have intermediate differentials in the .015" range!!
I just happens to be the most symmetrical assymtrical core made I think...With out holes that is.
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My $.02 worth.
This ball has a quicker responding cover IMO
on a defined wet/dry shot, it reacts quickly when it sees friction
I have plenty of hand and this wasn't good for me
It stood up fast and early, wouldn't go through the pins properly
Adding surface, moving into a more blended area of the pattern, now I had something.
Now the motion downlane was much better
I may re work the cover and put 500 + polish and see if that changes anything
I feel like there is definitely a spot for this in my bag, but most likely on more blended patterns -- for ME that is
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.005 is an assym? Isn't that below the limit that technically makes it a viable assym?
But once drilled, I'd bet 95% have intermediate differentials in the .015" range!!
Go one step further, for many that applies to bowling balls with no int diff prior to drilling. Undrilled is what the industry goes off of….. And Motiv knows that all to well now. My Columbia Throwdown has an int diff of .004 that isn't marked and it wasn't an issue.
I am however excited about this ball just on color and price point. Similar bowling balls like the Rebel, GB2, Sideswipe etc (from any manufacture) are some of the best bang for buck bowling balls. Much more user and condition friendly.
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I was under the impression (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) that the MB marking for the Kinetics, 503s, 505s, (and other assyms rated .010 and below) was not a "true" MB marking but simply a spot 6.75" from the pin thru the CG.
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I was under the impression (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) that the MB marking for the Kinetics, 503s, 505s, (and other assyms rated .010 and below) was not a "true" MB marking but simply a spot 6.75" from the pin thru the CG.
I don't know. I guess a Track technical support person should have the answer.
But even if the asymmetry is slight, less than the magic Pinel number of .008", once drilled, wouldn't even these balls have an enhanced degree of asymmetry?
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This is probably the most exciting release for me personally. I still have (and use) the original Kinetic and I was drooling when I heard about this ball.
The Kinetic core (and modified versions) have been my favorite cores since the first started using them.
Now they have given this proven core a little tweak and wrapped it in a spectacular coverstock, that is truely eye candy, and oh boy!
I stayed true to my favorite layout and put the pin straight up between the fingers, a little bump towards my PAP with the mass bias, and an extra hole for static balance.
This ball is my new favorite. Great length with minimal effort and a strong angular backend. It is strong enough to use on fresh oil, and versatile enough to work through the transition.
The shape of this ball is wicked. On the backend, it just doesn't quit. A couple of solid 9 pins stared me in the face, soon to be tomahawked out by savage messengers.
This ball brings a smile to my face, and strikes on the board.
Enjoy-
Jason Taylor
Klamath Falls, OR
The Epicenter Bowling Complex
Wile E's Corner Pro Shop
Track Staff
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My $.02 worth.
This ball has a quicker responding cover IMO
on a defined wet/dry shot, it reacts quickly when it sees friction
I have plenty of hand and this wasn't good for me
It stood up fast and early, wouldn't go through the pins properly
Adding surface, moving into a more blended area of the pattern, now I had something.
Now the motion downlane was much better
I may re work the cover and put 500 + polish and see if that changes anything
I feel like there is definitely a spot for this in my bag, but most likely on more blended patterns -- for ME that is
Keep us posted about any surface adjustments you do with this. I have a feeling I won't be seeing too many in my area and would really like to know what the Emerald looks like with surface (anywhere from 1000-2500) if you ever try it for an extended period of time. This is something I have my eye on to get down the road.
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So, with some games on it and today,a surface adjustment before a local tournament
took it to 500 - added powerhouse clean n sheen polish, which is a matte gritty polish
roughly 1500 Matte finish when done.
Ball now had the same hard cornering, but rolled somewhat earlier and had a bit more controlled arc off the friction.
Was on a bit more volume, but threw 10-7 on the fresh and it was really good
Also had good recovery and energy at the pins when I missed out a couple of times
I will not hesitate to put this in my bag when I need something that corners hard
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I was under the impression (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) that the MB marking for the Kinetics, 503s, 505s, (and other assyms rated .010 and below) was not a "true" MB marking but simply a spot 6.75" from the pin thru the CG.
That's what I was getting at. The pin cg mb was always inline too..Which I have never seen with an assymtrical ball. Usually the cg gets kicked one way or another during their curing process
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I'd have to disagree with you guys. I had a 607A that was a weak asymmetrical ball, that did not need to have the MB marked, that had a kicked out CG from the pin and MB. It was clear that the MB marking was not a spot 6.75" from pin through CG.
But whatever, unless you put a ball on a DeTerminator (http://www.jayhawkbowling.com/Products/DeTerminator.html) you can only rely on the manufacturer that the markings are accurate/correct. Hint, sometimes they are not...
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Did you guys see dom barrett video on it. Boy he makes it look easy.
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Liz Kuhlkin had another monster series tonight with 879... and the front 33. Left a 2-pin on the first ball of the 10th frame in the third game. She was using the Kinetic Emerald.
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bowling against same team she shot the 890 a few months ago....
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I'm sure this is a great ball, but it looks like it may be very close to the Mx05 which has been discontinued. Both have the modified Kinetic core, 2.48 rg, .041 diff. and finished at 500/1000 with factory polish. The main difference is the Kinetic has a hybrid cover stock and the Mx05 has a pearl. Will the difference in cover stock make a huge difference between these balls?
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The difference is really in the color of the coverstock
They don't have a "pearl" or solid or hybrid coverstock per say
It's really the chemistry of the pigments/colors
That being said, the reds are a slower responding cover vs the green/black on the new Kinetic
The numbers aren't as defined as they used to be, they don't mean as much as they used to
They still give you an idea of the general ball
The Kinetic is probably the hardest Cornering piece in the EBI lineup. But it's generally a weaker piece. To answer your question, I feel like the Kinetic is different enough as to where you could have both pieces in your bag
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The difference is really in the color of the coverstock....
It's really the chemistry of the pigments/colors....
That being said, the reds are a slower responding cover vs the green/black on the new Kinetic
Are you insinuating that red bowling balls are slower responding compared to their green or black brothers? So each of the Mission Unknowns performed differently?
If color had as big a deal in performance as you say, then all bowling balls would be one color.
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It's not that cut and dry, it's certainly part of the equation
I was on a factory tour a few months ago and they talked about it
The eruption pro hybrid, slower responding cover, red & orange
The kinetic emerald, green and black, quicker responding cover for me
The blue tundra, quicker responding for me
The track heat, slower response for me
I don't know all the details by any means, but color does play a bigger role these days in the cover technology than in the past
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You will not be able to convince me that color plays a significant role in the performance of today's bowling balls.
For every green fast reacting cover there are just as many red ones (and vice versa for slow).
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It's what we were told at the factory
And by others we met there
Tend to believe the place that makes them
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The mission unknowns did perform differently. As the red and gold are pearls and the black one was a solid. Got that straight from ebi. Secondly color does have an effect on reaction. The color red for instance. Is a softer pigment therefore softer shell gaining more traction. Not a significant effect but an effect none the less
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I picked up a Kinetic Emerald last night. My thoughts on a limited sample size of shots:
- It's more arcing than skid/flip. Speaking in terms of newer releases, the Kinetic Emerald's ball motion reminds me of the Eternal Cell. Very smooth for a polished ball, even in the dry the ball did not make a sudden change in direction.
- I have the same layout on it as the Code Black and the Code Black goes more sideways off the spot while covering just about the same amount of boards. I now have two options for different ball motions in the same range of hook potential depending on what the lane is dictating.
- In terms of total hook potential, it feels like a true medium ball to me. In terms of my arsenal, it slots above the HyRoad, next to Code Black, and below the Phaze II. On nights that I start with the Phaze II, I can see the potential of stepping down to the Kinetic Emerald without having to move (how nice is it to be lefty?).
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One of my lefty buddies put together a new 4 ball arsenal on Sunday with a Mako, Rebel Solid, Kinetic Emerald, and a Black Hammer. Shot 300 last night with the Kinetic. Ball rolls so nice