The paradox is that the marketing says ALL NEW but its the 3rd or 4th rehash of the core..

Isnt the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result?  Yep, it should be called insanity.

Quote from: bautch24 on June 14, 2015, 04:57:09 PM

Quote from: billdozer on June 11, 2015, 11:59:03 PM

The paradox is that the marketing says ALL NEW but its the 3rd or 4th rehash of the core..

Isnt the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result?  Yep, it should be called insanity.

Core density has changed to increase differential.

And according to the guy pimping AMF/Global on here that is everything. Just because they used the Brunswick Inferno core it is completely different because of the densities used.

Yes and no. It is the same core, with different intentions. All companies do it, it doesn't make it new, just modified. Companies have to sell equipment and make money. Obviously Track likes this core and that explains the continued use. If it wasnt successful it wouldn't still be around....i hope.

You are right, exactly right. Perhaps I'm over thinking...trying to look in-between the lines..however it costs quite a bit to come out with a new core. Figs told me in person 70k...they change the density to save cash...its a rehash.  Still "technically" new but not nearly as costly as a newnew core..

from what I'm hearing at EBI, this is 1 special piece
from the designers to the ball testers tot he pros, it has been a hit
An asymmetric core than rolls like a strong symmetric
Basically, I have been told that the numbers don't tell the whole story anymore
There is way more to it when you combine the cover and core
I have the new Severe Delirium and on paper it looks just like the Disorder, which I also have.
I can tell you that these 2 balls aren't very close, at least like the number would indicate. the SD is longer and stronger, at least with eyes, IMO

Quote from: kidlost2000 on June 14, 2015, 05:05:09 PM

Quote from: bautch24 on June 14, 2015, 04:57:09 PM

Quote from: billdozer on June 11, 2015, 11:59:03 PM

The paradox is that the marketing says ALL NEW but its the 3rd or 4th rehash of the core..

Isnt the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result?  Yep, it should be called insanity.

Core density has changed to increase differential.

And according to the guy pimping AMF/Global on here that is everything. Just because they used the Brunswick Inferno core it is completely different because of the densities used.

Yes and no. It is the same core, with different intentions. All companies do it, it doesn't make it new, just modified. Companies have to sell equipment and make money. Obviously Track likes this core and that explains the continued use. If it wasnt successful it wouldn't still be around....i hope.

You are right, exactly right. Perhaps I'm over thinking...trying to look in-between the lines..however it costs quite a bit to come out with a new core. Figs told me in person 70k...they change the density to save cash...its a rehash.  Still "technically" new but not nearly as costly as a newnew core..

I think Steve Klompeken or Hank Boomershine mentioned something similar in past with how much it costs to develop a new core.

A perfect comparison with the core reuse is how Storm uses the Inverted Fe2 core in multiple releases.  Tweaking the densities and/or using different covers is a way that they've been able to get different looks for different purposes.  For the CrossRoad/FireRoad, it was modified into the Fe3 core.  Motiv has done the same with the Sigma and Gear cores with tweaking densities and covers.  900 Global/AMF did the same with the Break and SRC cores.  Hammer with the Gas Mask and Widow Nasty cores.  Columbia 300 with the Ceramicore back in the 90's was used in a lot of balls.  In many cases, it works.

On the other hand, it's probably the reason they can't kill off the Hy-Road after over 6 years on the market.  That's because nothing they've made to replace it has been able to replace it.  The FireRoad and CrossRoad were supposed to essentially replace it and they were discontinued within a year of release.  Or in Track's case, the 9 series balls with the Legion 2 core and different covers didn't impress until the 912T. 

Either way, we will see how this goes.  Even though EBI didn't match up for my game, I do want to see them do well, as with all of the ball companies out there.

Right but the tagline for the product is ALL NEW EVERYTHING, NEVER DONE BEFORE...

sorry as a consumer I didn't wanna see a reused core in an supposed ALL NEW product.  But these are the same jackals that fired everybody..

Technically you're right- it's just an updated version of the I-Core (now I-Core 2.0).  Although some who doesn't follow the product line as much may think it's all new from the ground up so it must be the greatest thing ever.

I expected a wild core.  I saw the ball on bowl.com, I was, oh d*mn, WTF IS THE PARADOX? OMG!

Then I saw it was the same core shape as their last 3-4 hp balls...

Oh well...waste of a neat name if u ask me...  Most of my negative hype is from the schload of marketing classes...and i guess I should applaud the marketing...its marketing something that is clearly isn't...

As Kermit said...well, that's not of my business..

I can provide a list of wild @ss cores that sold bowling balls if any of the bowling guys who sell bowling balls want it.

Someone needs to look at:
Good/bad they were still intriguing, and got the buyer interested!

Past: continuum, RAD, inferno, fury/twisted fury
Present: gas mask, catalyst, impulse, tri-sphere, nucleus, mission 1.0,
Future: not the i-core any.0

But I'm Kermit.