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Equipment Boards => Track => Topic started by: MPaine82 on June 11, 2015, 03:39:16 PM
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Curious about this ball. I have heard big things about this ball!
Available 8.18.15!
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The paradox is that the marketing says ALL NEW but its the 3rd or 4th rehash of the core..
Isnt the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result? Yep, it should be called insanity.
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The paradox is that the marketing says ALL NEW but its the 3rd or 4th rehash of the core..
Isnt the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result? Yep, it should be called insanity.
Core density has changed to increase differential.
And according to the guy pimping AMF/Global on here that is everything. Just because they used the Brunswick Inferno core it is completely different because of the densities used.
Yes and no. It is the same core, with different intentions. All companies do it, it doesn't make it new, just modified. Companies have to sell equipment and make money. Obviously Track likes this core and that explains the continued use. If it wasnt successful it wouldn't still be around....i hope.
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The paradox is that the marketing says ALL NEW but its the 3rd or 4th rehash of the core..
Isnt the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result? Yep, it should be called insanity.
Core density has changed to increase differential.
And according to the guy pimping AMF/Global on here that is everything. Just because they used the Brunswick Inferno core it is completely different because of the densities used.
Yes and no. It is the same core, with different intentions. All companies do it, it doesn't make it new, just modified. Companies have to sell equipment and make money. Obviously Track likes this core and that explains the continued use. If it wasnt successful it wouldn't still be around....i hope.
You are right, exactly right. Perhaps I'm over thinking...trying to look in-between the lines..however it costs quite a bit to come out with a new core. Figs told me in person 70k...they change the density to save cash...its a rehash. Still "technically" new but not nearly as costly as a newnew core..
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Look at all of the cores out there and how some look really cool and some look like blobs......yet they all fall in the same specs/guidlines required by usbc. Lot of hype involved with cores as with covers.
When logic is applied it takes away from some of the excitement lol
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from what I'm hearing at EBI, this is 1 special piece
from the designers to the ball testers tot he pros, it has been a hit
An asymmetric core than rolls like a strong symmetric
Basically, I have been told that the numbers don't tell the whole story anymore
There is way more to it when you combine the cover and core
I have the new Severe Delirium and on paper it looks just like the Disorder, which I also have.
I can tell you that these 2 balls aren't very close, at least like the number would indicate. the SD is longer and stronger, at least with eyes, IMO
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from what I'm hearing at EBI, this is 1 special piece
from the designers to the ball testers tot he pros, it has been a hit
An asymmetric core than rolls like a strong symmetric
Basically, I have been told that the numbers don't tell the whole story anymore
There is way more to it when you combine the cover and core
I have the new Severe Delirium and on paper it looks just like the Disorder, which I also have.
I can tell you that these 2 balls aren't very close, at least like the number would indicate. the SD is longer and stronger, at least with eyes, IMO
I'm hearing the same, they are really excited about this ball. I hope to have mine in a few days..
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The paradox is that the marketing says ALL NEW but its the 3rd or 4th rehash of the core..
Isnt the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result? Yep, it should be called insanity.
Core density has changed to increase differential.
And according to the guy pimping AMF/Global on here that is everything. Just because they used the Brunswick Inferno core it is completely different because of the densities used.
Yes and no. It is the same core, with different intentions. All companies do it, it doesn't make it new, just modified. Companies have to sell equipment and make money. Obviously Track likes this core and that explains the continued use. If it wasnt successful it wouldn't still be around....i hope.
You are right, exactly right. Perhaps I'm over thinking...trying to look in-between the lines..however it costs quite a bit to come out with a new core. Figs told me in person 70k...they change the density to save cash...its a rehash. Still "technically" new but not nearly as costly as a newnew core..
I think Steve Klompeken or Hank Boomershine mentioned something similar in past with how much it costs to develop a new core.
A perfect comparison with the core reuse is how Storm uses the Inverted Fe2 core in multiple releases. Tweaking the densities and/or using different covers is a way that they've been able to get different looks for different purposes. For the CrossRoad/FireRoad, it was modified into the Fe3 core. Motiv has done the same with the Sigma and Gear cores with tweaking densities and covers. 900 Global/AMF did the same with the Break and SRC cores. Hammer with the Gas Mask and Widow Nasty cores. Columbia 300 with the Ceramicore back in the 90's was used in a lot of balls. In many cases, it works.
On the other hand, it's probably the reason they can't kill off the Hy-Road after over 6 years on the market. That's because nothing they've made to replace it has been able to replace it. The FireRoad and CrossRoad were supposed to essentially replace it and they were discontinued within a year of release. Or in Track's case, the 9 series balls with the Legion 2 core and different covers didn't impress until the 912T.
Either way, we will see how this goes. Even though EBI didn't match up for my game, I do want to see them do well, as with all of the ball companies out there.
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Right but the tagline for the product is ALL NEW EVERYTHING, NEVER DONE BEFORE...
sorry as a consumer I didn't wanna see a reused core in an supposed ALL NEW product. But these are the same jackals that fired everybody..
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Right but the tagline for the product is ALL NEW EVERYTHING, NEVER DONE BEFORE...
sorry as a consumer I didn't wanna see a reused core in an supposed ALL NEW product. But these are the same jackals that fired everybody..
Technically you're right- it's just an updated version of the I-Core (now I-Core 2.0). Although some who doesn't follow the product line as much may think it's all new from the ground up so it must be the greatest thing ever.
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Right but the tagline for the product is ALL NEW EVERYTHING, NEVER DONE BEFORE...
sorry as a consumer I didn't wanna see a reused core in an supposed ALL NEW product. But these are the same jackals that fired everybody..
LOL @ jackals, can't think of a better word to describe them.
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I expected a wild core. I saw the ball on bowl.com, I was, oh d*mn, WTF IS THE PARADOX???? OMG!
Then I saw it was the same core shape as their last 3-4 hp balls...
Oh well...waste of a neat name if u ask me... Most of my negative hype is from the schload of marketing classes...and i guess I should applaud the marketing...its marketing something that is clearly isn't...
As Kermit said...well, that's not of my business..
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I expected a wild core. I saw the ball on bowl.com, I was, oh d*mn, WTF IS THE PARADOX???? OMG!
Then I saw it was the same core shape as their last 3-4 hp balls...
Oh well...waste of a neat name if u ask me... Most of my negative hype is from the schload of marketing classes...and i guess I should applaud the marketing...its marketing something that is clearly isn't...
As Kermit said...well, that's not of my business..
Marketing = skilled liars and evaders, at least thats we called them college.
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I can provide a list of wild @ss cores that sold bowling balls if any of the bowling guys who sell bowling balls want it.
Someone needs to look at:
Good/bad they were still intriguing, and got the buyer interested!
Past: continuum, RAD, inferno, fury/twisted fury
Present: gas mask, catalyst, impulse, tri-sphere, nucleus, mission 1.0,
Future: not the i-core any.0
But I'm Kermit.
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What if we couldnt see the core, only the specs? Would it change anything?
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What if we couldnt see the core, only the specs? Would it change anything?
If I could turn back the clock to before he official announcement, yes, I was still hyped! Track was ALMOST cool again...it was cool before the ebi buy out...
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I loved Track prior to Ebi. I like Hammer more since being bought by Ebi
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I loved Track prior to Ebi. I like Hammer more since being bought by Ebi
Yes I as well.
Also, C300 I don't like, but I feel they are just as popular as they were but with other players in the game now. I was a c300/track fanboy before the buyout..I got that terrible resurgance, and had some of the new track stuff and only liked the kinetic...inliet that ship sail and moved on to the bolts n stars in 2008..
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I tried tried the 505a and it was a heck of a ball. Was more interested in what i saw in the 3 and 5 series vs the other releases.
Now that the number names are gone maybe some more cool stuff is on its way
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I tried tried the 505a and it was a heck of a ball. Was more interested in what i saw in the 3 and 5 series vs the other releases.
Now that the number names are gone maybe some more cool stuff is on its way
I shot a couple 300s with a 910A but I had a 505c2 that got a lot more use.
The Legion is definitely my next purchase. I don't have the need for a Paradox right now but I'm gonna start going to tournaments in Vegas since I'm only 1 1/2 hours away so I might end up getting one or a Warrior.
With the new releases, I think EBI is taking a big step in the right direction so far. The success of the balls will ultimately decide still
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I like/liked a lot of Tracks stuff under EBI, but I was also a big fan under Phil and then Del too. I really like the 3,5 and 7 series. I had three 9's but only liked the 910a.
I really like the Tour x and Sic. I think I might get the Tour solid. Got the Paradox coming just for fun.. Like what they are doing as well as EBI in general.
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Just got back from Bowl Expo and this ball was the talk at the Demo.
The Ebonite Warrior also looked like a winner.
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I helped out at The Showcase. Was at the Ebonite station. Folks liked the Paradox above all, then the Warrior. Tom Blascoe was killing it in the BPAA Pro Shop tourney with one of the Demo balls. He said, We are gonna sell a lot of Paradox Balls.
I picked Vernon Peterson. He won $2500. he used his own equipment, lol
FORGOT, GO #TEAMEBI
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I helped out at The Showcase. Was at the Ebonite station. Folks liked the Paradox above all, then the Warrior. Tom Blascoe was killing it in the BPAA Pro Shop tourney with one of the Demo balls. He said, We are gonna sell a lot of Paradox Balls.
I picked Vernon Peterson. He won $2500. he used his own equipment, lol
FORGOT, GO #TEAMEBI
I think you meant Tom Laskow. I spoke with him yesterday and he told me he used one of the Paradox demo balls and averaged 260 in the tournament with it. He did have a lot of good things to say about the Paradox, as well as the Warrior. The Paradox is probably way too strong for what I see but I may have to try one.
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Tom Laksow averaged 260 in the qualifying portion of the tournament.
I did not stay after qualifying to see what else he shot.
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With some more videos popping up on YouTube of the new balls, I definitely have to say that the Track Paradox looks to be in its own league. The description has a lot of hype but in my eyes with the videos I've seen, it looks to be true
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Yes, it is Laskow, brain fart. Vernon beat the lefty that took out Tom.
Tom had a pretty noisy cheering section. :)
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Well after throwing this ball on a few different patterns, I can honestly say that I am impressed with it. I was a little skeptical with all the hype that it had in Bowl Expo, but it really rolls great going down the lane. This ball is clean through the front, and you can see how the ball is strong in the midlane & very nice continuation in the backends, which does NOT stop moving through the pins. Last night after league, I had a few of my league bowlers throw my ball on the USBC Nationals pattern that we were bowling on during the summer, and they all were impressed with the motion they saw on the lane. I had 2 guys say that this is much stronger than any of the balls they have in their current line up & wish this was available to order now.... needless to say, they both pre-ordered this ball last night.
I will have to say that this ball is definitely for the heavier medium to heavy lane patterns and rolls really strong throughout the lane. You will be impressed with the motion this ball has on the lane!
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Plowboy - how does this compare to the Bad Intentions?
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Plowboy - how does this compare to the Bad Intentions?
Hooks about 5-6 more overall than the Bad Intentions... I ended up bringing my Bad Intentions surface up to a 800 & FF polish for when the lane break down... Between the Red Legend Solid & Paradox... I have what I need for the heavier lane patterns!
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Plowboy - how does this compare to the Bad Intentions?
Hooks about 5-6 more overall than the Bad Intentions... I ended up bringing my Bad Intentions surface up to a 800 & FF polish for when the lane break down... Between the Red Legend Solid & Paradox... I have what I need for the heavier lane patterns!
Out of the Red Legend Solid and Paradox which would you prefer and why?
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Plowboy - how does this compare to the Bad Intentions?
Hooks about 5-6 more overall than the Bad Intentions... I ended up bringing my Bad Intentions surface up to a 800 & FF polish for when the lane break down... Between the Red Legend Solid & Paradox... I have what I need for the heavier lane patterns!
Out of the Red Legend Solid and Paradox which would you prefer and why?
Both are great balls... the Paradox is a little more in the backends with the Red Legends a little earlier with strong continuation throughout the pin decks... Right now, I like the Paradox a little more for what I am currently bowling on... Allows me to get a lot on the ball & will come back strong... the Red Legend Solid is a little too strong (early) for what patterns I am bowling on currently! Hope this helps...
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So, I got my hands on 1 of these and was able to try it out yesterday.
And let me 1st say that I wouldn't even consider this piece because its just looks way to strong.
I'm about 16.5 and 400 rpm with a medium to medium high track.
I was on a 39' house pattern on high friction surface, I was expecting to throw a few shots and have to put it away because it would be way to strong.
left it OBB finish, pin above fingers approx 5" from PAP
If I didn't see it with my own eyes I wouldn't have believed it.
that ball gets through the heads and is just incredible through the pins
I wasn't incredibly deep, maybe 15 to 5-6or so
If you were able to watch Stefanie Johnson on xtra frame last week PWBA stop, she ran away with the tournament using this piece.
I was planning on doing some testing with it and getting rid of it just because I figured there would be nowhere to throw it
Now, Its for sure staying in my bag.
And just wait to see whats next.........equally as good if not better out of Hopkinsville!