Post by: tenpinspro on August 28, 2004, 02:49:19 AM
Animal(4x3.5mb 1.5 above midline) - shows the ball rolling up sooner than the Rule and played a little tighter, watch where my left foot ends up in comparison to Rule 1 or Rule 2 vid
FreakaZoid 1(4x3 1.5 above midline) - about 12-13 boards tighter than the Rule hitting about 13 to 7
FreakaZoid 2 - couple of boards tighter than FAZ1, about 12 to 8
Rule 1(4.25x4mb 3 above midline)- easy stroke shot from inside, notice the late breakpoint and easy recovery strength from very little effort
Rule 2 - another shot, straighter angle to see the hook better
Rule 3 - moved deeper and added a little turn to see the ball still enter high
Rule 4 - (Icetink's favorite)
from deep inside to about 6 board with hit and it falls in the left hand gutter in front of the 7, per Ice...a must see...Untamed(4.75x2.75mb 4 above midline) - same line as Rule 1 and 2 but this shows it doesn't recover to the pocket like the Rule does
Having problems viewing?..go to divx.com and download the divx codec file
Thanks again Roy and Icetink.....
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http://teamtempest.us/ftp/dino/bowling/Ball%20Reviews/_Rick%20Leong/Rick-Animal-1.avi
http://teamtempest.us/ftp/dino/bowling/Ball%20Reviews/_Rick%20Leong/Rick-Freakazoid-1.avi
http://teamtempest.us/ftp/dino/bowling/Ball%20Reviews/_Rick%20Leong/Rick-Freakazoid-2.avi
http://teamtempest.us/ftp/dino/bowling/Ball%20Reviews/_Rick%20Leong/Rick-Rule-1.avi
http://teamtempest.us/ftp/dino/bowling/Ball%20Reviews/_Rick%20Leong/Rick-Rule-2.avi
http://teamtempest.us/ftp/dino/bowling/Ball%20Reviews/_Rick%20Leong/Rick-Rule-3.avi
http://teamtempest.us/ftp/dino/bowling/Ball%20Reviews/_Rick%20Leong/Rick-Rule-4%20-%20got%20pins.avi
http://teamtempest.us/ftp/dino/bowling/Ball%20Reviews/_Rick%20Leong/Rick-Untamed-1.avi
Edited on 10/9/2004 9:32 AM
Post by: Ernie McCracken on August 28, 2004, 12:16:34 PM
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Evolutionary. Revolutionary.
Post by: seadrive on August 28, 2004, 12:21:27 PM
quote:
COderDECOder
Actually, it stands for COmpressor/DECompressor...
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seadrive
Cogito ergo bowl
Post by: Mr Track on August 28, 2004, 01:17:40 PM
I love how my Rule goes 50ft before breaking too...
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BOC Bowling Supplies
Track Intl. Advisory Staff
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on August 28, 2004, 02:25:32 PM
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16 years and still going strong! 16 years old that is!
The names Warrior Princess, Xena..Warrior PrincessAnd why would I "saw" pins in half, THATS A WASTE OF PINS!
Post by: Jeffrevs on August 28, 2004, 08:16:04 PM
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JEFF
There is doing in not doing
Post by: Rock77 on August 28, 2004, 10:38:34 PM
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I just close my eyes and throw the ball
Post by: icetink on August 28, 2004, 10:43:06 PM
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Post by: tenpinspro on August 29, 2004, 12:50:55 AM
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Looks good Rick, but whats up with that stutter step in your approach?? Looks a little funny. And man, you are pretty short arent you?!?
LOL...I knew I was gonna get it. You're supposed to be looking at the ball!..lol The stutter probably comes from trying to generate momentum for the vertically challenged(pleases moderator) position I was given...
Now you know "WHY" Ex gives me such a hard time!Jeffrevs, download the codec file. Time you got windows media "98"..
Waiting for a few more from Roy Munson, enjoy the show....
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on August 29, 2004, 01:55:17 AM
I cannot view this thing.
BTW....just think of Rick's height like this: If he had hair he would probably measure up to about 4'9
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C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio
cgproshop@yahoo.com
Track Advisory Staff
Post by: Siniak on August 29, 2004, 03:06:41 AM
Post by: Rock77 on August 29, 2004, 09:01:31 AM
On edit, once you download the divx package, you can also play video in Windows Media Player too.
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I just close my eyes and throw the ball
Edited on 8/29/2004 8:57 AM
Post by: pnj1967 on August 29, 2004, 09:44:59 AM
Rick, Video looks great also, thanks for posting.
Post by: tenpinspro on August 29, 2004, 01:42:09 PM
My layout was 4.25 x 4mb 3 inches above midline. Offhand I can't remember what the statics were, I'm in Chicago right now...will get back to you when I get home tomorrow.
Yeah, sorry guys, wanted to see if I could meet a few of you here but just here for the weekend(no time), leaving in the morning. Heading to Woodfield Mall I think though...drove past Willowbrook Lanes...wife would have killed me if I stopped..
Just added the Untamed link to the top...
Edited on 8/29/2004 1:42 PM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on August 29, 2004, 05:15:56 PM
Rick, are you really that short OR did AMF just put really big ballreturns, pins and lanes in that place?
On a serious note....great comparison. Just from watching Rick use the Rule and having seen him bowl in the past, I think the Rule is the "answer" for all of you that have been worried about Track's highend rolling too soon, and not having enough backend because of the strong midlane. The Rule stores energy for the backends.
Guys,
Rick does not have a ton of hand, and for him to be able to play that deep and get that kind of reaction on the backends....this thing can recover, and recover strongly.
Good going Rick. Talked to Sean some, we may be putting of vids of balls soon, I will see if I can get my proprieter to put smaller ballreturns, pins and lanes in so I look bigger than I really am.
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C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio
cgproshop@yahoo.com
Track Advisory Staff
Post by: tenpinspro on August 31, 2004, 07:15:15 AM
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And man, you are pretty short arent you?!?
quote:
just think of Rick's height like this: If he had hair he would probably measure up to about 4'9
quote:
Rick, are you really that short OR did AMF just put really big ballreturns, pins and lanes in that place?
"Though he be little....he is FIERCE!".....Shakespeare via Seabiscuit...
Post by: Jeffrevs on August 31, 2004, 08:13:37 AM
quote:
Jeffrevs, download the codec file. Time you got windows media "98"..
Windows XP for Business!
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JEFF
There is doing in not doing
Post by: Re-Evolution on August 31, 2004, 07:20:16 PM
quote:
http://homepages.pathfinder.gr/Defiant/Rick%2DRule04%20%28%2E%2E%2E%2Eanywhere%2E%2E%2E%29%203%2Eavi
I get a "file not found" error when I try this link.
Did you remove it?
Anyone else having trouble with this one?
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STORMIN1
Post by: CharlieBrown on August 31, 2004, 07:56:38 PM
THANKS!!
Post by: WSUstroker on September 01, 2004, 08:37:22 AM
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Dan Chambers
Winona State University Bowling
Post by: tenpinspro on September 01, 2004, 10:03:23 AM
I'm still having problems also pulling in FAZ3 and FAZ4. Is it possible the server is down or slow? I don't know who owns WedidToddracing, can he be of some help maybe? Thanks...sorry guys.
Rick
Post by: icetink on September 01, 2004, 11:00:36 AM
If anyone is having problems downloading, you can try:
http://teamtempest.us/ftp/dino/bowling/Ball%20Reviews/_Rick%20Leong/
or
ftp://216.221.59.88 (<--not sure if it works)
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-icetink
Edited on 9/1/2004 3:12 PM
Post by: tenpinspro on September 01, 2004, 02:15:39 PM
FAZ1 - This shows my foot finishing about 19-20, crossing 12-8 at the breakpoint. That's about 13-14 boards right of where I finished with the Rule in a stroking mode.
FAZ2 - I moved about 2 more right and played even more direct down the lane. The FAZ allowed me to square up quite a bit. It gives me a very nice controlled look...
Rule3 - I moved even further left (finished about 5-6 left) and hit this shot a little more to show why I had to stroke it to the pocket in the other vids. If I applied "any" type of lift, the Rule just took off on the backend. I believe the ball crossed around 21-22 (vs 17-18) and still got out to about 5-6 before making it's move and STILL went high. (vid #'s used are the ones from IceTink)
The shots with the FAZ show that the lane did have some oil and that they weren't fried. The Rule is that strong off some decent dry boards. Thanks very much to Roy Munson for his time and Icetink too for putting these up as well. Hope this helps you guys some, feel free to ask any questions that haven't been answered for you already. Actually, if you guys feel this has been helpful, please let me know and I'll try to continue this in the future with new equipment for comparison. (Roy, coming back to the States anytime soon?)
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff
Edited on 9/1/2004 2:22 PM
Post by: icetink on September 01, 2004, 03:43:12 PM
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Post by: kjl456 on September 01, 2004, 03:59:25 PM
Ken
Post by: icetink on September 01, 2004, 07:25:31 PM
Here are the links:
http://teamtempest.us/ftp/dino/bowling/Ball%20Reviews/_Rick%20Leong/Rick-Animal-1.avi
http://teamtempest.us/ftp/dino/bowling/Ball%20Reviews/_Rick%20Leong/Rick-Freakazoid-1.avi
http://teamtempest.us/ftp/dino/bowling/Ball%20Reviews/_Rick%20Leong/Rick-Freakazoid-2.avi
http://teamtempest.us/ftp/dino/bowling/Ball%20Reviews/_Rick%20Leong/Rick-Rule-1.avi
http://teamtempest.us/ftp/dino/bowling/Ball%20Reviews/_Rick%20Leong/Rick-Rule-2.avi
http://teamtempest.us/ftp/dino/bowling/Ball%20Reviews/_Rick%20Leong/Rick-Rule-3.avi
http://teamtempest.us/ftp/dino/bowling/Ball%20Reviews/_Rick%20Leong/Rick-Rule-4%20-%20got%20pins.avi
http://teamtempest.us/ftp/dino/bowling/Ball%20Reviews/_Rick%20Leong/Rick-Untamed-1.avi
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-icetink
Edited on 9/7/2004 5:03 PM
Post by: Re-Evolution on September 03, 2004, 12:31:11 AM
I got one a month or so ago and love it so I would like to try some other Track equipment. It would make my decision much easier if you do.
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STORMIN1
Post by: tenpinspro on September 03, 2004, 03:40:25 AM
Roy Munson did all these vids for me, unfortunately he's back in Greece now. I'll have to find out what procedure and what software I'll need to do this, may take a little while until I figure it out.
Roy, come back...we have a request. Oh yeah, Vasilis fired you huh?...
Post by: icetink on September 07, 2004, 05:11:01 PM
http://teamtempest.us/ftp/dino/bowling/Ball%20Reviews/_Rick%20Leong/Rick-Rule-4%20-%20got%20pins.avi
Rick with the Rule; cranker style!
........what that...........
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-Dino
Edited on 9/7/2004 11:24 PM
Post by: Ernie McCracken on September 07, 2004, 10:58:04 PM
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Evolutionary. Revolutionary.
Post by: tenpinspro on September 08, 2004, 04:41:00 AM
quote:
http://teamtempest.us/ftp/dino/bowling/Ball%20Reviews/_Rick%20Leong/Rick-Rule-4%20-%20got%20pins.avi
Who says I can't turn the ball!
Now you guys know why I kept saying that I was fluffing the other shots. It's taken me years to learn not to hit...thank you again Roy and IceTink. (I'll hold that camera for ya anytime you want)Rick
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on September 08, 2004, 10:47:22 AM
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C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio
Track Advisory Staff
Post by: MC on September 09, 2004, 08:18:20 AM
Post by: tenpinspro on September 20, 2004, 08:10:26 AM
No offense George or Andy, not trying to rub it in.
Post by: tenpinspro on September 21, 2004, 07:06:19 AM
Yes, you should polish it up like your Money and see how much more length it gives you. Remember, the longer we can delay the energy of of a bowling ball, the more powerful it is when that energy is released. So yes, you would get better length and finish by polishing it up. If you ever encounter any heavier conditions, just bring it back. Track's covers have been very friendly to adjustments. (just had an feeling of deja vu)...(twilight zone music begins...)
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff
Post by: icetink on September 27, 2004, 05:45:44 PM
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-Dino
Post by: tenpinspro on September 28, 2004, 08:13:58 AM
I agree on vid #4, it's the ball...not me.
Post by: BornToBowl on September 28, 2004, 09:08:19 PM
Post by: tenpinspro on October 03, 2004, 01:43:09 PM
Did you get these to work? Like Roy said, we just need the correct codec file.
Rick
Post by: tenpinspro on October 03, 2004, 08:58:57 PM
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How on earth do you manage to fit 5 footsteps into approach from end of ball return !!
I think I'd foul on my second step from there !
And I dun think you look short btw
Stav
Hey Stav, actually our approaches and ball returns in the U.S. are abnormally larger in comparison to others.....LOL...(just kidding)..had to try it....
Post by: tenpinspro on October 09, 2004, 09:43:30 AM
Rick
Post by: a_ak57 on October 10, 2004, 03:22:57 PM
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ANDY
There is doing in not doing what you weren't doing but doing in what you weren't doing to do what you were doing but not doing and doing as well
So don't do it!
Post by: tenpinspro on October 13, 2004, 09:59:07 AM
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Finally watched these....that rule is a beast!
Na, it's the bowler, baby....
Post by: tenpinspro on October 15, 2004, 08:58:14 AM
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff
Post by: dirtbikebowler on October 15, 2004, 11:31:12 AM
I couldnt belive the rule going all the way across into the left gutter.
what was the pattern? just a normal house shot dry outside?
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Tom Kelleys Pro Shop
Post by: tenpinspro on October 18, 2004, 02:41:03 PM
The pattern was 38 buffed to 42? a little black and white(for me) with lite hang outside 5. If you watched the FreakaZoid, you'll notice they're not completely fried so the Rule IS that much stronger.
quote:
um you have a different style of spin on the ball
This took years of changing my release from strong to weak to throw the higher tech equipment. I increased my tilt which creates a ton of skid for the THS. Turning it on and off for heavy oil is another story but overall, I don't see that many floods around.
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff
Post by: tenpinspro on October 21, 2004, 08:57:57 AM
Here ya go...
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Rule 1(4.25x4mb 3 above midline)- easy stroke shot from inside, notice the late breakpoint and easy recovery strength from very little effort
All my patterns are listed on the original post if anyone else is interested.
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff
Post by: lilphyzx on October 21, 2004, 09:32:34 AM
Post by: tenpinspro on October 22, 2004, 05:52:25 AM
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Untamed(4.75x2.75mb 4 above midline)
Hey lilphyzx, this is my layout on the Untamed. It for early revs and control on the back, surface was OOB. I just polished it however to get a better separation from the Rule. Hope this helps..
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff
Post by: lilphyzx on October 22, 2004, 08:02:59 AM
Post by: tenpinspro on October 23, 2004, 11:03:23 AM
It's a little hard to say without knowing some of your personal info. Sometimes trying to utilize someone else's drill pattern is not the best for you because you may not roll the ball the same way. It is more important to have the ball laid out for you to your track, revs, tilt and so on. A pattern that works for one guy does not necessarily work for another, especially when we're dealing with higher tech asymmetrical balls. It may be a little closer sometimes for symmetrical balls because the main influence is only the pin itself. If you can get some personal details (pap) and how this ball(pin and mb) lays out to your pap, I can tell you what to expect out of it as is. Hope this helps bud...
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff
Post by: JCD on October 23, 2004, 04:54:08 PM
Post by: tenpinspro on October 25, 2004, 09:49:32 AM
The FreakaZoid is meant more for medium conditions. Unless you have a lot of turn or very slow speed, it will be pretty hard to make this a heavy oil ball. We can help suggest a drilling if you supply us with some personal stats/details of your game (pap, revs, speed, rotation..etc) Just post them and one of us will try and help, thanks.
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff
Post by: tenpinspro on November 01, 2004, 04:35:21 AM
Post by: J_Mac on December 28, 2004, 01:13:28 PM
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Everyone is entitled to be stupid but you're abusing the privilege.