Author Topic: We have never seen anything like this... (Read 9692 times)

Chief BK · « **on:** July 01, 2009, 06:02:29 AM »

I drilled up my first 930T this past Friday. I opted to go 4x3x3. The reaction shape of this piece is something that we haven't seen. The ball picks up and reads the mids very well. The shocker is at the bottom of the pattern...the ball flies off the spot. The fact that there is no loss of energy with this cover is remarkable. I suspect that this ball will out hook and out hit anything we'll see this year. Those who bought Cells and Virtuals will forget that they ever owned them. This very well could be the Ball Of The Year.

To the gang at the factory...I honestly think we've done it. This is a grand slam piece.

Myself and other Staffers will be reporting back very soon with detailed reviews of the 930T.
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Reverendwaz · « **Reply #16 on:** July 02, 2009, 09:59:03 PM »

To this point I have owned 4 track balls and the result has been the same in each one ... Ball Death the covers just went away so fast . I'm not bashing please don't take it like that but for me ever to buy another track ball its really really going to have to be a great piece. Altho the 930t sounds rather exciting why does it have to be a hook monster. I guess it will be good for some if that's the case great. Oh and also the ball death was before and after ebo

dw23 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 03, 2009, 03:53:27 AM »

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To this point I have owned 4 track balls and the result has been the same in each one ... Ball Death the covers just went away so fast . I'm not bashing please don't take it like that but for me ever to buy another track ball its really really going to have to be a great piece. Altho the 930t sounds rather exciting why does it have to be a hook monster. I guess it will be good for some if that's the case great. Oh and also the ball death was before and after ebo

I Just don't get it. I have owned hundreds of ball and have only seen ball death in a couple. I have old Track equipment from the 1990's that have been sitting in my closet for years. I gave a few of them to up and comming youngster in the area and they still look and hit great.

I have not matched up well with the new Track stuff but I still haven't seen any ball death from any of the Ebonite companies. Guess I am just lucky.

Chief BK · « **Reply #18 on:** July 03, 2009, 10:00:07 AM »

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just what the bowling world needs, another hook monster. those are some mighty strong claims, i look forward to seeing it compared to a virtual or a jigsaw.
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From what I hear, that's already been done at Expo...
Result...930T by 5 boards at all parts of the lane.
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flounder6639 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 03, 2009, 06:08:27 PM »

Im gonna chime in and say this ball at 4000 will still give you length and pop if you sand the cover down it will hook a ton. This being said some guys will leave it at 4000 for the length and pop some will lower the cover for earlier roll. Me i drilled mine 4 x 4 1/2 pin above ring box surface i bowled on our ths with a lot of carry down the gentlemen beside me was throwing a cell drilled strong (double thumb) i drilled it his revrate is a little lower than mine his ball wouldnt rinkle i was swinging mine. this ball recovers and hits very well it will be a great piece for this upcoming season. I would say its about 5 to 7 boards stronger than a vg. give it a try you wont be sorry.
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flounder6639 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 03, 2009, 08:55:12 PM »

Riddler im not comparing the 930t to the vg or the cell all im saying is this is the first particle ball that reads the mid lane and still backends. We as staffers are not trying to say 1 company is better than another. We are just letting people know how balls roll and how we think they compare to other companys products so you will have somthing to use as a gide when and if you decide to drill one.
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louf846 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 03, 2009, 09:19:58 PM »

As staffers, if we make BS comments and make stuff up to sell balls and the ball falls short of those expectations, we lose are credibility and run the risk of potential damage to the brands reputation as well. I am not getting the massive amounts of hook that some people are seeing with the 930T but I never get that much hook with high mass bias balls. What I am getting from the 930T is more continuation, predictability, and midlane read than I normally get with similar core numbers and the carry is above average.
I also don't believe the VG and Cell were huge hookers either. I think if I were to throw those balls, the 930T would compare very closely in terms of overall hook.
Also, don't forget, it is nice to be on staff and get to throw these balls for free but the majority of the staff are tournament bowlers and they wouldn't be using the product if they didn't think it was as good as anything else they could be throwing. I am fortunate to represent Track and believe that our product stacks up against anything else in the industry. We are just getting the word out.
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Chief BK · « **Reply #22 on:** July 03, 2009, 09:42:28 PM »

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The 930T is crazy. It out hooks the Virtual from storm by a mile.

Ill believe this when I see it. And if it is true, who needs a ball that strong? Most people don't see enough oil for their virtuals let alone something that outhooks it by a "mile"

Did ebonite international tell all their staff members to say how much more each of their new releases hooks more than storms or roto grips cause that's all I'm seeing. I'm sure this will be a great ball but is all the Bs marketing hype really needed?

Also did these staff members actually throw the balls compared to a virtual? If they did, isint that a breach of their staff contract?

Sorry I'm done ranting now

One thing people need to understand about the industry. Everyone looks at a ball of the year and thinks..."How can we do this and do it better?"

If the SE was ball of the year, everybody out here would be comparing their new stuff to the SE. It's the nature of the industry. For now, our job is to give the general public an honest opinion on our brand's equipment. I feel that the Staff has done just that. If it wasn't as strong as a VG, somebody would likely say so, but still focus on other positive traits of the ball. This just happens to be a case where...as noted in the thread title "We've never seen anything like this."

Take it for what it's worth, but don't knock it until you've tried it.
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louf846 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 03, 2009, 09:44:35 PM »

Riddler, the mass bias strength on the 930T is much higher than that of the VG or Cell. With the proper layout, this can enhance the balls response to friction compared to a similarly drilled ball with a lower mass bias rating. Put this layout in the hands of some bowlers and they will see significantly more hook. I would say, for speed dominant bowlers, they could see 3-5 more boards of hook.
I can't utilize these stronger layouts on high mass bias balls due to have slower ball speed, I use much weaker mass bias positions and wouldn't see this increase hook potential like some other bowlers could.

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DP3 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 04, 2009, 09:52:14 AM »

How is this ball through actual transition in a tournament setting? I think the biggest selling/design point on the Virtual Gravity is a strong/big hooking ball that still gets through the heads clean enough to use through longer periods of transition but still have angle on the backend. Sure OOB monster hook is cool for some people to see, but if you have to put it up after 9-12 frames after the initial 15 minutes of practice then how beneficial is the ball really when you're only getting a 1 game score out of it.

I'm not criticizing the ball as I have not thrown it, just trying to see what else it has to offer besides the seemingly vauge "IT HOOKS" staff information. To me, the Rising and Rising SE were extremely impressive for how much they hooked when nothing else did, but after a game or game and a half the ball was pretty useless as it did not correspond well to drying transitions in the midlane.
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Coolerman · « **Reply #25 on:** July 04, 2009, 10:43:30 AM »

I think I have seen this movie before,just another year.Each year we think we have never seen a certain ball reaction that is beyond belief.I just want everyone to get in their way back machine and, travel back in time to view these super, jaw dropping, never seen and never will again mega monsters. 1.1995 Columbia-Cuda/C 2.1996 Brunswick-Danger Zone 3.Faball -Hammer-3D 4.1996 Storm-Thunderstorm ,1996 Ball of The Year and one of the largest flaring balls ever made 8"plus . 5.1998 Storm- El Nino 6.2001 Track-EMB-XF 6.2004 Brunswick-Ultimate Inferno 7. Ebonite-The One 8. 2008 Roto Grip-Cell 9.2008 Storm-Virtual Gravity .Just want to say ,that when you think you have seen something different in hook ,ball reaction and shape the ball takes on the lane ,think again.

C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #26 on:** July 06, 2009, 10:11:51 AM »

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Also did these staff members actually throw the balls compared to a virtual? If they did, isint that a breach of their staff contract?

I do not know if any have, but this wouldn't be a breach of contract.....contracts specifically state "during any competition". So testing against another ball doesn't put them in breach. I doubt many staff guys are out doing this though.

There are some newer folks on here that may not have read any threads or posts I have made. We had this credibility issue in the past when Mr Leong and myself would post things. I still stand true---------and speak for myself. When I say something that is my word, and my word is very important to me and to the success of my business.

In defense of staff players there are a few things that people do not understand. These guys are not paid to throw those balls. Most of them throw Track Equipment because they feel that the equipment can help them bowl better. I do not think a bowler would choose to be a staff member if they felt that it was going to hurt their bowling.

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Chief BK · « **Reply #27 on:** July 06, 2009, 10:59:29 AM »

DJ,

I used the ball this weekend and survived the transition. It's not a one game piece. You'll definitely have longevity. I also had the chance to throw it in an ugly mixed league carrydown situation (I was the only person throwing a ball from the reactive era). The ball handled the drag like a champ.

To those who think they hype isn't true and that we're doing this only because we have to... I can only say one thing. Don't knock it until you've tried it. We wouldn't be here if we didn't think the balls were that good.

As for seeing the movie before, think of all the balls you listed as sequels that keep getting better. This is the sequel. This IS the next big thing.
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Brian Krantz
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Chief BK · « **Reply #28 on:** July 06, 2009, 11:22:29 AM »

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For me it is the best HP Track ball for a long time even back to San Antonio days.

We have a real winner here, it just has to get in enough hands to realize it

I'll second that! I was telling a local shop owner the same thing.
This is exactly what we needed. The 930T will be to Hopkinsville what the Heat was to San Antonio.
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Brian Krantz
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Coolerman · « **Reply #29 on:** July 06, 2009, 10:24:13 PM »

Chief BK ,I could not agree more about the movie sequel,that was the point I was trying to make.Every few years something great comes out on the market,and we think we have not seen any thing like it but we have ,but only a little better each time.Also, BRAVO to all you Track staff members and all staff members off all the ball companies. One, for all the hard work it takes ,then to have the companies recognize your talent and then take a chance by making you staff members.BRAVO also for you believing in the company and its products.I live in the metro Detroit and have numerous friends,men and women on staffs including family.The staff members more often than not ,promote their company but will also recommend another company if they think another ball might fit better into someone's arsenal.So just being a good staff member give's you a bad image just for being loyal so be it. It's better to be loyal ,than have no moral sense of pride,belief, and loyalty. So guy's continue keeping everyone up to date on the next new ball.

Strider · « **Reply #30 on:** July 07, 2009, 05:53:51 AM »

Strong mass bias balls want to get the core to get to it's most stable position very quickly (rolling, no longer tumbling). I certainly haven't thrown them all, but my experience with high mass bias balls has never had the term flippy associated with it. That, along with the fact that you drilled it strong makes it hard to believe is flies off the spot. Any chance toy could put up a video?
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Author Topic: We have never seen anything like this... (Read 9692 times)

Chief BK

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Reverendwaz

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dw23

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Chief BK

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flounder6639

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Coolerman

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