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Title: Xception 2nd layout
Post by: Buckwild on May 14, 2005, 08:11:40 PM

My Xception arrived yesterday. Its a 2nd (pin 4-5", 1.5 oz top weight). When I got to look at the ball, the cg was offline from the mass bias (the pin and the cg was in line, the mass bias was below and right of the cg):

pin

cg  mb



Would I have problems with this ball being drilled? Excaliber answered my original question about the specs with a layout suggestion ("for a skid flip reaction placing the pin 4 1/2 - 4 3/4 from your PAP, keep the pin above your fingers, this helps create length. Place the MB 5 inches from your PAP, it will end up in an area near your thumb hole. This is the MB placement that is going to create the most "flip" off of the breakpoint."). Would this still work?

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Buck '05

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Title: Re: Xception 2nd layout
Post by: johns811 on May 15, 2005, 04:40:25 AM

Just put the pin over your fingers and MB just to the right of the thumb. Topweight is really low anyway, I wouldn't worry about the cg. Should be fine.

Title: Re: Xception 2nd layout
Post by: ozsweet on May 15, 2005, 06:08:36 AM

It's really the CG that's out of line. The MB is 6 3/4" from the Pin. Also, to find the true CG, the ball must be weighed, you cannot really totally on where it is marked.
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Title: Re: Xception 2nd layout
Post by: Buckwild on May 15, 2005, 12:01:19 PM

WHEW! Thanks!
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Buck '05

Title: Re: Xception 2nd layout
Post by: Sactown863 on May 15, 2005, 12:18:24 PM

Buckwild--

I would drill the Rev leverage layout. Try to put the pin below the fingers and you will need a weight hole.  Layout  4x4 hole in the thuumb quad. If you use this layout you can expect a very aggressive early rolling ball.

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Title: Re: Xception 2nd layout
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on May 15, 2005, 12:26:24 PM

Buck,

When you drill these asymmetrical balls the CG is irrelevant. The reason I stated that the specs are not bad is because if the CG were to the right of the pin and MB and the TW was higher it would require a huge weight hole. Odds are you lay this ball out as I suggested earlier you will not need a weighthole.

Sac,

He did not want early revs, he wanted skid/flip.

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Youngstown Ohio

Track Intl.-Amateur/Pro Shop Staff

Title: Re: Xception 2nd layout
Post by: ashzero on May 15, 2005, 12:29:57 PM

this is a NONO for me.  you can always figure out the location of the CG when you weigh it.  but as for MB there's no way to tell unless you have the determinator.

if you don't have the determinator, i'd return that ball.  MB could very well be mis-marked and you'd not know about it.

so after you figure out the CG and MB using the determinator, if they don't align properly, you could very well have a blem or something.

i'd definitely be weary about drilling that ball (following MB/CG that might be mismarked).

Title: Re: Xception 2nd layout
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on May 15, 2005, 12:30:59 PM

ashzero,

Buck did not say that there was no marked MB.

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Youngstown Ohio

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Title: Re: Xception 2nd layout
Post by: ashzero on May 16, 2005, 12:16:36 AM

ex,  i thought either cg or mb was mismarked or out of alignment?  and there's no way to verify the validity of the marked mb without determinator (since every proshop has dodoscale).

Title: Re: Xception 2nd layout
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on May 16, 2005, 12:18:28 AM

ash,

I can see where you would think that. However, the CG being out of alignment from pin and MB is normal on asymmetrical stuff.

You are correct though, the determinator is the best way to find it if it were not marked.

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C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio

Track Intl.-Amateur/Pro Shop Staff