win a ball from Bowling.com

Author Topic: Has the Morpheous changed the way of thinking....  (Read 1128 times)

C-G ProShop-Carl

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5825
Has the Morpheous changed the way of thinking....
« on: October 15, 2004, 05:21:29 AM »
This is probably the wrong forum for this post, but I figured I would throw it out there for people to chime in on.

Since I have started getting serious about bowling I have heard many things make up a balls reaction.
Usually the chart looks like this:
75%-coverstock 10%-layout 10%-core 5% statics

Now depending who said it, these numbers could have varied, but they usually didn't vary much.

My opinion is that the Morpheous significantly raises the layout, and core area. I am thinking that the new chart would look something like this:
45% coverstock 30% layout 20%core 5% statics.

There are those that believe that statics make up a huge amount as far as reaction. I wanted to throw this out there since I know some will chime in here.


OK, lets hear what you have to say.


-EX-
--------------------
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio

Track Intl.-Advisory Staff

Carl Hurd

Austintown Ohio (Wedgewood Lanes)

900 Global, AMF Staff Bowler

Tag Team Member #1

<b><i>TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!</i></b>/

 

C-G ProShop-Carl

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5825
Re: Has the Morpheous changed the way of thinking....
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2004, 01:47:54 PM »
Bob....great point!!!!! I overlooked that.
--------------------
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio

Track Intl.-Advisory Staff

Carl Hurd

Austintown Ohio (Wedgewood Lanes)

900 Global, AMF Staff Bowler

Tag Team Member #1

<b><i>TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!</i></b>/

omegabowler

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1470
Re: Has the Morpheous changed the way of thinking....
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2004, 02:07:49 PM »
I don't know what the number are but having owed over 30 ball and going from tweener to a strong stroker I have witnessed many things first hand.

I even had 2 unleashed at the same time so I really saw the differences.

I feel no matter what, buying a strong MB ball is the best choice due to the ability to redrill and the ball keeps the strong MB influence.

the drill pattern and coverstock finish can make the same 2 balls cover about 80% of lane conditions ( if you have some skill)

I have a teammate that is more cranker. when he throws my unleased that I have drilled for backend reaction it snaps a lot and late where as I have a hard arc.

 I know for these balls to be special and not just ordinary, you need knowledge and a skilled layout person. so I think stats and layout are in one for a strong MB ball.

50% cover,
40% layout.
10% Bowler adjustments

I present this as my case, I made a thread comparing 2 unleashed's. Now I had one drilled(if I remember correctly) with a pin 5" from pap and MB was left of thumb about 5-3/4"

polished. this ball would go loooong. ON the right lane condition I can change the number of boards covered but I can not make the ball turn over earlier. on a dry lane I can influence it more with adjustments but not change the reaction from backend to midlane.

even when Walter threw one against Smith. he changed from up the back to around the ball. the ball covered more boards but the reaction did not snap nor did it turn up earlier. it just arced more at the backend. He created a different entry angle but the overall hook shape stayed the same, it was just covering more boards.


I think one of the benefits of these balls is being able to drill a ball for a specific condition and get what you expect.

the layout is way more important in these balls than a symmetrical.








--------------------
"deserves got nothing to do with it."
-- William Munny
"deserves got nothing to do with it."
-- William Munny

tenpinspro

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4161
Re: Has the Morpheous changed the way of thinking....
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2004, 02:14:22 PM »
Yes I also agree Ex but I don't know if the percentages on cover would be considered to be below 50% yet.  I'd still have to say an 80 grit compared to 1000 (on the same ball) is a world of difference but I definitely agree on the fact that the mass bias differentials on the Morpheus cores are extremely powerful and controlling.  After drilling enough of these with the various placements of mb, I could see anywhere from an 8-10 board difference easily in hook potential by simply moving the mb from a weak position to past val.  Very interesting post Ex, I don't where technology will take us next, guess we'll just have to wait and see.  Can you imagine if/when a core does exceed surface, that would be one scary ball, you wouldn't have to worry about lane conditions anymore, just drill it to go 45ft and turn...
--------------------
Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff  
Vise Inserts Staff
Rick Leong - Ten Pins Pro Shop
Co-Founder - Tag Team Coaching
"El" Presidente of the Legion

khamûl

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 255
Re: Has the Morpheous changed the way of thinking....
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2004, 02:20:09 PM »
Ex,

I don't even bother with statics after the ball gets into "legal" range.

In strong asymmetricals, i figure 60% coverstock type & prep, and 40% core shape (which includes layout and x-hole) and final mass bias strength.
--------------------
two of nine


charlest

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24523
Re: Has the Morpheous changed the way of thinking....
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2004, 02:25:38 PM »
FWIW,
Compared to most symmetric balls, asymmetric cores with large Mass bias differentials (I'd guess around .016-.018 and above), ESPECIALLY Mo's and now some of Del's, (and probably Storm's) seem, to my eye, to act almost like on/off switches.

Symmetric cores, especially those with high differentails, can show differences in reaction as you move the pin further and closer to the bowler's axis. But their CG location movements seem to be reflect very gradual changes int he ball's reaction.

The movement of asymmetric-cored balls' Mass bias location seem to reflect extremely large changes in a ball's reaction.  This used to confuse me; now it just astounds me - the degree of change. After all, it's just the angle of the core's body with respect to the bowler's track that is changing.

All in all, I'd say that not all balls have the new percentages that Excaliber has posted, but the ones with significant mass bias differentials definitely need to be re-examined. I wouldn't dare guess, at this point in time.

--------------------
"We get old too fast, and too late, smart."
"None are so blind as those who will not see."

Aristotle

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 394
Re: Has the Morpheous changed the way of thinking....
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2004, 11:47:45 AM »
I remember back in the day I went to a few equipment lectures by Ray Edwards, and we actually got to this exact subject. It seems that the evolution of equipment seems to shake the emphasis between core and cover every decade or so. If you think about it, first it was rubber, then plastic, then urethane. The cores stayed pretty typical and aside from very few exceptions, most cores were 3 piece pancake cores. Then comes the hammer with its 2 piece core which changed the way that we think about cores, drilling, etc. Then came another radical cover change when resin was invented. There was some experimentation with cores during this time, but I would have to say that by and large, two piece consisted mainly of lightbulb shaped cores while 3 piece remained largely pancake. After this, I kinda dropped out of bowling for a while, so off hand, I don't know which came first, whether it was particle covers or asymeterical cores, but they were both involved in large shifts in importance.

tenpinspro

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4161
Re: Has the Morpheous changed the way of thinking....
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2004, 01:06:43 PM »
The first particle I know of was the Columbia Orange Dot in the 70's?(particle on a pancake) so you can imagine what that did.  Yes, it rolled out at the arrows but worked okay for some that loved to hit high back in the day or for those who had high speed.  Heard that LT-48's even had walnut shells(Minimum Bob) mixed into the inner core so if you want to consider that a "particle" additive as well.  

One of the earliest mass biased balls was the Phantom by Ray, not sure if there were any prior to that, may have been.  Del has personally told me that he and Mo were working on mass bias for over 12-13 yrs now but nobody paid attention then.  I'm sure they do now....

It only makes sense however that back then or even now for that matter, the lower the mass bias differential, the less influence it would have on a ball's reaction or shape.  The key I seem to find now is the overall strength of the mb that has changed the idea/concept of reaction.  As Charlest stated about the strength of pin placements on symmetrical balls, asymmetrical balls offer not one but 2 controlling weights to work with, thus creating the flexibility in it's overall reaction.
--------------------
Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff  
Vise Inserts Staff
Rick Leong - Ten Pins Pro Shop
Co-Founder - Tag Team Coaching
"El" Presidente of the Legion

Aristotle

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 394
Re: Has the Morpheous changed the way of thinking....
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2004, 11:34:09 PM »
I already knew about the Orange Dot, but I also knew that it was a monster flop for its time. My grandfather used to tell me horror stories about how the ball would look like a snake going down the lanes of the day. As far as the Phantom goes, I was taking these equipment lectures from Ray months after the Phantoms hit, so we really got a very large dose of what they were all about. At the time, though, they didn't really strike me as a mass bias ball, unless you consider that ring as the bias? I do know that it was the first ball that I remember throwing that had a pretty heavy flare to it other than my urethane Excalabur. Not to mention the inverted track that I got out of that ball.