Author Topic: You pick it (part 2) (Read 3362 times)

C-G ProShop-Carl · « **on:** February 05, 2005, 03:07:57 PM »

OK, if you have read my mini review of the GP2 you know that I currently have 3 of them. This ball is awesome-----so I bought another one.

Here are the current layouts on the 3 I have:

1- Pin above ring finger....MB right against the right side of the thumb. This ball is useable on league patterns, I have adjusted the surface a bit (2000 grit sand).

2- Pin below the bridge, MB close to VAL. The surface is currently at box. This ball will cover just about any heavy league pattern I will see....and it does awesome when carrydown takes my line away....it ignores the carrydown.

3- Leverage pin.....MB on VAL. The surface is box. This ball will cover any heavy oil I will see in tournaments, probably too much for any heavy house pattern.

YOUR JOB: Suggest another layout. I already have one in mind (and have discussed this with Rick). I want you to suggest a layout for me, and the reason I should try it. FYI-------I do not want something for dry lanes...this ball is not meant for that and I have that condition covered with other equipment.

Let me know....as I will probably drill it up mid next week.

-EX-
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srlunatic · « **Reply #1 on:** February 05, 2005, 11:27:35 PM »

Ex...

How about pin centered below fingers...

mb just right of thumb.....

or maybe something with mb kicked into track??

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Re-Evolution · « **Reply #2 on:** February 05, 2005, 11:32:25 PM »

If I had the 3 like you already have I would go with a 4" pin to CG and place the pin over bridge and the MB on VAL 1-1.5" below PAP. Length but still smooth off the break point, not sure on balance hole location but I would want about .25-.5 oz finger weight.
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #3 on:** February 05, 2005, 11:32:54 PM »

I have considered pin low.....about 4 inches from PAP....and mb just left of the thumb.

The other layout that I discussed with Rick was going with the pin like 1 1/2 to 2 inches from PAP with the MB right of the thumb. The hopes of this layout was that I would be able to square up well on a house shot and not have the ball overreact in the backend.

-EX-
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srlunatic · « **Reply #4 on:** February 05, 2005, 11:37:15 PM »

Ex....

Of course there is the 315 drilling for giggles.....

Maybe something to polish up and see how long can get it even though particle??..would be an interesting experiment..

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stanski · « **Reply #5 on:** February 05, 2005, 11:51:03 PM »

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The other layout that I discussed with Rick was going with the pin like 1 1/2 to 2 inches from PAP with the MB right of the thumb. The hopes of this layout was that I would be able to square up well on a house shot and not have the ball overreact in the backend.

-EX-
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I was going to suggest a similar layout (mine was going to have the mb nick the left side of the thumbhole), so this one gets my vote. I would like to see if this ball burns up with this kind of a layout, and its different enough that we might be able to see the versatility of the ball. This should give you a much different look than the other balls, and might create more of a controll look for you when the backends are really snappy. If you put the pin in the track, the ball might really lose energy fast, and really need a lot of headoil/ snappy backend to be effective, which would not work well. changing the mb slightly would alleviate this need for snappy backends, which i think would make this ball different/ give you a different look.

1 1/2 inches from pap, and mb just right of thumb in box condition should be a ball that would allow you to play more up the boards, but I wonder if it will burn out on you? Might have to go up to a finer grit sandpaper to make this ball work/ use a tiny amount of polish.

A question: What happens when the mb is placed inside the thumbhole. Where does the mb move to, if it moves anywhere, and how does the ball react? does it create a more/less symmetric ball?
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #6 on:** February 05, 2005, 11:57:05 PM »

stanski

in the past MB in thumb for me created more of a "best of both worlds" kind of reaction. Meaning....between the control placement MB in track offers....and the strong breakpoint reaction that the MB right of thumb offers.

The main positive with asymmetrical is that the MB does not move. Drilling through the MB, the mb remains in that position. I have never heard that it creats a symmetrical ball.

-EX-
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stanski · « **Reply #7 on:** February 06, 2005, 03:53:43 PM »

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The main positive with asymmetrical is that the MB does not move. Drilling through the MB, the mb remains in that position. I have never heard that it creats a symmetrical ball.

-EX-
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Neither have I, I was trying to use my intuition (me thinking= not good lol) to guess what would happen.
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JohnP · « **Reply #8 on:** February 07, 2005, 09:39:41 AM »

EXCALIBER -- What are your PAP measurements? -- JohnP

C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #9 on:** February 07, 2005, 12:00:14 PM »

5 1/4> and 5/8^
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bowler257628 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 07, 2005, 12:03:34 PM »

hey carl, why not just for fun, drill it for legenth? see if you can have it push down the lane fore you on a house pattern without adjusting surface.
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #11 on:** February 07, 2005, 12:05:31 PM »

Pin above the ring and MB against the right side of the thumb gets down the lane nicely. Even with the box finish it got down the lane very well.
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JohnP · « **Reply #12 on:** February 07, 2005, 01:58:38 PM »

EXCALIBER -- OK, medium high 3/4 track, good revs and speed. You've already got the longer pin to PAP's covered, roughly 3 1/2". 4 1/2", and 5", so to get you something considerably different we're going to have to go shorter. How about a 2" pin to PAP with the mass bias about 3" right of the center line and the pin beside the RF. Should start up earlier than what you already have with a hard arc (not flip) to the pocket. I'll bet it will be very controllable and eat up a THS. -- JohnP

tenpinspro · « **Reply #13 on:** February 07, 2005, 02:44:28 PM »

Hey Big Me,

I still like both patterns we discussed (pin over mid or pin 1:30-2:00). Once the heads get too dry, either layout wouldn't matter I'd say due to the ball's natural strength.

Hey guys,

I have a question, Ex and I hit the BTM last year in Reno where we had a fairly tight reverse with clean backs real late. Couldn't get past 10 from inside unless you went down and in but then there was no tug or recovery from the right. I actually got the same reaction as Torgensen did last week on the show but the shot was heavier. So in your opinion, which of Ex's layouts do you feel would work better on this? Thanks in advance....
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janderson · « **Reply #14 on:** February 07, 2005, 02:53:18 PM »

Try one with the pin 2 inches from your positive axis point (PAP) and put the mass bias (MB) on your track.

A strong layout for control with hook, this ball will want to rev up early and read the midlane to give you a strong, controlled arc. The pin will still give you a decent amount of flare, though you can always tweak the pin position towards 3inches if you need more. It's good for long oil (42feet plus) or heavy oil, wet/dry or over/under with a heavy tophat in the middle, or something with splotchy/messed up back ends. This ball is not going to overreact, but will still give you hook in oil.

I've found that you can easily adjust the length of the equipment with layouts such as this with surface changes without effecting the shape (bananna versus hockey stick) of the ball's arc.
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