Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 05, 2005, 03:07:57 PM
Here are the current layouts on the 3 I have:
1- Pin above ring finger....MB right against the right side of the thumb. This ball is useable on league patterns, I have adjusted the surface a bit (2000 grit sand).
2- Pin below the bridge, MB close to VAL. The surface is currently at box. This ball will cover just about any heavy league pattern I will see....and it does awesome when carrydown takes my line away....it ignores the carrydown.
3- Leverage pin.....MB on VAL. The surface is box. This ball will cover any heavy oil I will see in tournaments, probably too much for any heavy house pattern.
YOUR JOB: Suggest another layout. I already have one in mind (and have discussed this with Rick). I want you to suggest a layout for me, and the reason I should try it. FYI-------I do not want something for dry lanes...this ball is not meant for that and I have that condition covered with other equipment.
Let me know....as I will probably drill it up mid next week.
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Post by: srlunatic on February 05, 2005, 11:27:35 PM
How about pin centered below fingers...
mb just right of thumb.....
or maybe something with mb kicked into track??
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 05, 2005, 11:32:54 PM
The other layout that I discussed with Rick was going with the pin like 1 1/2 to 2 inches from PAP with the MB right of the thumb. The hopes of this layout was that I would be able to square up well on a house shot and not have the ball overreact in the backend.
-EX-
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Post by: srlunatic on February 05, 2005, 11:37:15 PM
Of course there is the 315 drilling for giggles.....
Maybe something to polish up and see how long can get it even though particle??..would be an interesting experiment..
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Post by: stanski on February 05, 2005, 11:51:03 PM
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The other layout that I discussed with Rick was going with the pin like 1 1/2 to 2 inches from PAP with the MB right of the thumb. The hopes of this layout was that I would be able to square up well on a house shot and not have the ball overreact in the backend.
-EX-
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I was going to suggest a similar layout (mine was going to have the mb nick the left side of the thumbhole), so this one gets my vote. I would like to see if this ball burns up with this kind of a layout, and its different enough that we might be able to see the versatility of the ball. This should give you a much different look than the other balls, and might create more of a controll look for you when the backends are really snappy. If you put the pin in the track, the ball might really lose energy fast, and really need a lot of headoil/ snappy backend to be effective, which would not work well. changing the mb slightly would alleviate this need for snappy backends, which i think would make this ball different/ give you a different look.
1 1/2 inches from pap, and mb just right of thumb in box condition should be a ball that would allow you to play more up the boards, but I wonder if it will burn out on you? Might have to go up to a finer grit sandpaper to make this ball work/ use a tiny amount of polish.
A question: What happens when the mb is placed inside the thumbhole. Where does the mb move to, if it moves anywhere, and how does the ball react? does it create a more/less symmetric ball?
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 05, 2005, 11:57:05 PM
in the past MB in thumb for me created more of a "best of both worlds" kind of reaction. Meaning....between the control placement MB in track offers....and the strong breakpoint reaction that the MB right of thumb offers.
The main positive with asymmetrical is that the MB does not move. Drilling through the MB, the mb remains in that position. I have never heard that it creats a symmetrical ball.
-EX-
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Post by: stanski on February 06, 2005, 03:53:43 PM
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The main positive with asymmetrical is that the MB does not move. Drilling through the MB, the mb remains in that position. I have never heard that it creats a symmetrical ball.
-EX-
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Neither have I, I was trying to use my intuition (me thinking= not good lol) to guess what would happen.
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Post by: JohnP on February 07, 2005, 09:39:41 AM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 07, 2005, 12:00:14 PM
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Post by: bowler257628 on February 07, 2005, 12:03:34 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 07, 2005, 12:05:31 PM
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Post by: JohnP on February 07, 2005, 01:58:38 PM
Post by: tenpinspro on February 07, 2005, 02:44:28 PM
I still like both patterns we discussed (pin over mid or pin 1:30-2:00). Once the heads get too dry, either layout wouldn't matter I'd say due to the ball's natural strength.
Hey guys,
I have a question, Ex and I hit the BTM last year in Reno where we had a fairly tight reverse with clean backs real late. Couldn't get past 10 from inside unless you went down and in but then there was no tug or recovery from the right. I actually got the same reaction as Torgensen did last week on the show but the shot was heavier. So in your opinion, which of Ex's layouts do you feel would work better on this? Thanks in advance....
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Post by: janderson on February 07, 2005, 02:53:18 PM
A strong layout for control with hook, this ball will want to rev up early and read the midlane to give you a strong, controlled arc. The pin will still give you a decent amount of flare, though you can always tweak the pin position towards 3inches if you need more. It's good for long oil (42feet plus) or heavy oil, wet/dry or over/under with a heavy tophat in the middle, or something with splotchy/messed up back ends. This ball is not going to overreact, but will still give you hook in oil.
I've found that you can easily adjust the length of the equipment with layouts such as this with surface changes without effecting the shape (bananna versus hockey stick) of the ball's arc.
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Post by: janderson on February 07, 2005, 03:02:34 PM
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I have a question, Ex and I hit the BTM last year in Reno where we had a fairly tight reverse with clean backs real late. Couldn't get past 10 from inside unless you went down and in but then there was no tug or recovery from the right. I actually got the same reaction as Torgensen did last week on the show but the shot was heavier. So in your opinion, which of Ex's layouts do you feel would work better on this? Thanks in advance....
Good to know people here like to bowl in tournaments with a challenging condition. If you're reading this and have never bowled the BTM, the BTM is a 42 foot flat (gutter-to-gutter uniform oil) pattern of medium (IMO) volume conditioner. It is a difficult shot, extremely difficult if you're accustomed to bowling on house conditions.
tenpinspro - my teammates and I who have bowled the BTM have only had success with control layouts on low-rg stuff. The condition itself is going to overemphasize any mistake a bowler makes in the physical game, so we don't need any surprises from the equipment as well. On the fresh (1st shift) shot, I had the best success with a ball similar to Excaliber's second layout and stuff that was pin-on-pap. Once a couple of shifts have bowled on the pattern, it's anybody's guess and can really depend on how the shot is developed. Anytime a shot develops into an inverted-top or even reverse shot, I've found control stuff to be even more of a bonus, and have had some luck with the 315 degree layout (if nothing else, to help minimize release mistakes). Hope this helps.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 07, 2005, 10:17:55 PM
Layouts I am thinking about:
1- Pin above the bridge...mb about 3 inches right of the thumb.
2- Pin next to ring finger...mb just left of the thumb. I had this layout on my Havoc and I really liked it.
3- Pin 1 1/2-2 inches from PAP...about finger level, and the MB swung left towards the thumb.
What do you guys/glas think?
Thanks
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Youngstown Ohio
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Post by: clintdaley on February 08, 2005, 06:38:20 AM
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Post by: Wylie on February 08, 2005, 07:03:37 AM
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Post by: JohnP on February 08, 2005, 01:26:04 PM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 09, 2005, 10:01:18 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 09, 2005, 11:13:37 PM
Sure thing. I post a mini review for everything I throw....BUT with different drillings on the same ball I put all of that in my reviews.
-EX-
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Youngstown Ohio
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Post by: JohnP on February 15, 2005, 09:47:52 AM
Post by: icetink on February 15, 2005, 11:45:00 AM
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