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Title: Your TRACK status???
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on May 20, 2007, 06:43:35 AM
Folks, this post is out there to see where you stand when it comes to Track Equipment. We have had to endure a long time since our last release. Some have ventured to other equipment, some have sat on what you already had and have been waiting patiently for the next releases.

Many things have been stated recently by Rick and myself. You know that the TAG-TEAM is on board with Track and that we will remain here to give info or suggestions as we have always been. None of that will change. We will continue to help with your questions about bowling equipment in general. NONE of that will change.

Are you interested in the NEW Track knowing that the TAG-TEAM will be around to support the equipment and address any of the concerns that you may have about it? Remember, with all of what we have been provided Rick and I are really impressed with Track's plans for the future. The equipment will again be leading edge in the bowling industry. We also believe that we have the proper leadership to get us back where we belong, on top!

We are very interested to hear what you have to say about the "new" Track. Do you feel as pumped about the future as Rick and I do? What are you looking forward too the most? What would you like to see with the equipment?

Looking forward to your replies,

-Carl
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Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio


Tag Team Member #1

TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: williewc on May 20, 2007, 03:00:53 PM
I will stay with Track as long as i like the equipment that is put out, but if they use the same covers and Ebonite and start dying out like most of the new balls they have put out then I might look at other companies. I just hope i dont have to go elsewhere as I have liked bowling with Track the last 4 years
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on May 20, 2007, 03:10:30 PM
At the same time I've sat on, and primarily use my Track equipment, I desperately needed a pure, heavy oil ball.  From what I've gotten to throw in the past 6 months since I've taken the game seriously, none have been able to fit that bill like my Total NV has.  I'm eagerly awaiting the new Track line.  However, it won't ever be the same.  I'll likely get the next Track ball.  But, when I do, I'll look at it and say "Ebonite made this ball".

I may sound pessimistic, but believe I'm not.  I guess I'll just have to wait and see what happens....I'll be standing by.
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High game-300
High series-796

Current Arsenal- Track Power Machine, Ebonite Total NV, Track Phoenix, Track Mean Machine, Track Phenom, and Track Silencer.

Edited on 5/20/2007 3:09 PM
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: tomtrack on May 20, 2007, 03:33:13 PM
Hello,
I "spoke" with M.Q from Ebonite via email.
Can`t wait about the new TRACK equipment, know the team of Ebonite
make a great job.

"the legion is still alive"
Thomas Wendt
former Track intern. staffer
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: kreitz on May 20, 2007, 03:38:10 PM
I will continue to throw Track! Even though I have 2 total nvs and a Morich Awesome Revs, the bulk of my arsenal continues to be Track!

Ken
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: Grayson on May 20, 2007, 03:40:19 PM
to be honest... I started out with Track (set of Arsenals... angular and aggressive) and both balls were drilled wrong for me so I switched driller + producer but I am "back on track" with a Machine (still not drilled .. but soon )

Also I am searching for a good alternative for a Power machine but with a sym Core . (PP ex?)

So still member in the legion.. maybe not the strongest follower but still...
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"Have fun and bowl well!" - Grayson

XXXL
Tsunami
BlackCherryBomb
Machine NIB
Radical Inferno NIB

and by the way... I am a "Fritz" a "Jerry"... I am from Germany! (And please don't call me Kraut! Cause then I call you Dumbarse)
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: charlest on May 20, 2007, 04:05:01 PM
I'm still trying to force myself to temper my enthusiasm for the new Track balls. I've heard so many good underground rumblings. Not sure I can wait for Rick and Carl to lead into the new future of Track. Guys, don't keep us waiting too long ....

FYI Still keeping and using 16 lb Solution PowerPlus EX, Mojo, and a Hex. In storage for the future are 15 lbs: a Solution PowerPlus EX, Arsenal Reactive, a Hex and an Exception.

Would "kill" for a new Assasin, Heat 2 solid or a VooDoo.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

Edited on 5/20/2007 10:44 PM
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: SteveAustin2808 on May 20, 2007, 04:09:48 PM
HEY CARL!

Ever since I started with McCorvey's Pro Shop back in April, and this was around the time the buyout just happened...I honestly didn't know what to do...I knew Track wouldn't have any releases til everything was finalized and the new production began...so with that being said, I ventured off...not as a slap in the face to Track but because being in the pro shop...I feel you have to be a versatile operator because some people may not show interest in a product you feel passionate about! So I took a couple of other companies and gave them a try...

The Conclusion? I feel there is no bad bowling ball out there. All the companies put out the best product; however, when it comes to Track, the history is there and I knew since hearing about the buyout that it would be in good hands even though there was friction in the beginning from some people who were definitely against it...this may have changed but I do know this...

I see myself turning in my non-track equipment before the fall season starts back up and going back to nothing but an all Track arsenal again simply because I had success with the equipment. As they say, don't go against the grain or if it isn't broke, don't fix it! From conversations per Rick and I, if you can give me a piece with the qualities and characteristics of the X-Ception and Equation, then I'll be a happy camper! I've always promoted the Track product and just about everybody knows me in this forum if not on BR.com as the "Track Video Guy"...Once a FASTTRACKER and always a FASTTRACKER! That's my opinion, take it for what its worth! I've said it once and I'll say it again...

"TRACK! BUILDING SUCCESS STORIES, ONE BOWLER AT A TIME!"

God Bless You All and have a great week!

--Michael--
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McCorvey's Pro Shop Staff
http://www.mccorveysproshop.com/http://

--TRACK & TAG TEAM COACHING--
"Building Success Stories, One Bowler at a Time!"

Evolution Tag Team Member # 1
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on May 20, 2007, 04:13:08 PM
quote:
I'm still trying to force myself to temper my enthusiasm for the new Track balls. I've heard so many good underground rumblings. Not sure I can wait for Rick and Carl to lead into the new future of Track. Guys, don't keep us waiting too long ....
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."


Well, at least you've got that.  I've heard absolutely nothing on the next line.
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www.putfile.com/trackbowler627

High game-300
High series-796

Current Arsenal- Track Power Machine, Ebonite Total NV, Track Phoenix, Track Mean Machine, Track Phenom, and Track Silencer.
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: charlest on May 20, 2007, 04:16:08 PM
quote:
quote:
I'm still trying to force myself to temper my enthusiasm for the new Track balls. I've heard so many good underground rumblings. Not sure I can wait for Rick and Carl to lead into the new future of Track. Guys, don't keep us waiting too long ....
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."


Well, at least you've got that.  I've heard absolutely nothing on the next line.
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www.putfile.com/trackbowler627.


My tongue is tied, errr, ..... I mean my lips are sealed.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: RCKYURWLD on May 20, 2007, 04:36:57 PM
I am optimistic and I base that on Rick and Carl's knowledge and expertise.

I did buy a bunch of the last San Antonio Track equipment up, so I feel I am set for a long time unless some of the New Track equipment proves itself as better than what I already have. I can always sell off the old stuff and recover my money.

If any of you read my post about how I started with Track, I may have been on board longer than anyone. Phil started Track in Ohio. I had the original Black and Blue Enforcers with the original logos and they were made in Ohio. Dave D'Entremont was throwing Track before he went on tour. We knew and bowled with Phil.

I will be 50 this fall, but I am still a big and powerfully built man who still has a lot of game left.
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RCKYURWLD
Cleveland, Ohio

Proud Member of the Track Legion

One of the last holdouts.. Currently stocking up on the last of the Track San Antonio products to be drilled at a later date

Current Arsenal in use
Rule GP2
Animal 2  1 Pin up/out. 2 Pin below fingers
Mutant
Rule   2  1 Pin up. 2 Leverage
Thrash
Freak Out
Track Magic
Sugar Ray Glove spare ball  



Edited on 5/20/2007 7:49 PM
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: RipARack on May 20, 2007, 07:25:09 PM
I'm on board, at the rate I go through equipment to stuff I have currently that is non-Track wouldn't be in my bag past the end of the summer anyways.  Its a rare ball that claims a spot in my arsenal for more than a month or two.  The Equation and Power Machine are both two of those.  

I'm pretty excited and glad to see Rick and Carl on board.
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former Track Staff
owner Strike Zone Bowling Supplies
801 N. Cedar St.
Mason, MI 48854
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Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: 9orbetter on May 20, 2007, 08:53:08 PM
Still going strong. Using my 2 5.0's along with my Robo and Power Machine. Just asked my driller to get me a Mean Machhine on closeout. Still have 2 NIB 5.0s and an Inertia. ight have to get a few Machines if I can't cop some more 5.0s...lol...Anticipating some good releases I hope because I have so many Track shirts and don't want to start over again with another company....9
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Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: Track_Fanatic on May 20, 2007, 09:46:28 PM
I myself, am open minded about the new Track equipment.  I still use all my older Track balls (If you call the Mean Machine old).  I never ended up getting the Power Machine or the Phoenix (I could have).  I am sure that Ebonite is making sure they just don't throw a ball out there without knowing that the first ball they make under the Track name can make or break Track's followers.  Everyone was afraid that when Columbia 300 Industries was sold to Ebonite that Track would either be discontinued or be a company that sells only overseas.  I have gotten a Fury and a Total Inferno but have not gotten the itch to drill them up.  The reason why?  I am loyal to Track.  I have this mental block when it comes to throwing something other than Track.  I know I can throw just about any equipment that's out there.  Anyway, I look forward to our Regional Player's Championship coming up this next weekend.  I'm hoping that Mike Judy will be there so I can ask him some questions about the new equipment(obviously, everyone is pretty much tight lipped about it).
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: Weaser on May 20, 2007, 09:46:28 PM
As I posted in another thread, I have not left & will not as long as Rick & Carl are still onboard. I am very well satified with my Track arsenal, but I am anxious to see what the NEW Track has to offer. If the new equipment appears to be better than what I currently have, I will not hesitate to upgrade. I do not have the resources to be a "ball of the month" member, so performance & durability are required attributes. My 2 cents.....
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Gary
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: thegame on May 20, 2007, 10:08:14 PM
My wife is a huge Track fan and has been since I got her her first high performance ball quite a few years ago (Contender).  She was pretty disappointed in the news about Columbia being bought out, thus affecting Track equipment as well.  I recently got her an Awesome Finish as a new medium oil ball that she seems pretty happy with, as I wanted to stay with a Track-type core, having a strong mass bias for her.  She's never really thrown an Ebonite or Hammer, so she may be willing to try a "new" Track release, but as with most people I'm sure there may be a bit of a "not quite the same" feeling in the back of her head.  If it's a good product and gives her the same type reaction she got with the original Tracks I'm sure that feeling will go away rather quickly.  If not, maybe some more MoRich's might be in her future.  We shall see.
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on May 20, 2007, 10:18:37 PM
There is not going to be a recycled Ebonite ball with a Track Logo on it. The Track Equipment is going to be unique and "innovative" in their designs.

-Carl
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Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio


Tag Team Member #1

TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 20, 2007, 10:24:56 PM
I am always trying different balls from different companies.  In the last two years, the two Track balls that I have stuck with are the Thrash and Havoc.

I know that this Track forum had some very good user support in the past and hope that it can continue as I enjoyed reading it.




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Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on May 20, 2007, 10:43:45 PM
quote:
There is not going to be a recycled Ebonite ball with a Track Logo on it. The Track Equipment is going to be unique and "innovative" in their designs.

-Carl
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Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio


Tag Team Member #1

TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder


Well Carl, it seems that you know what the deal is.  So with that, I will follow your words.  I love Track, and I don't want to slowly phase out all that I have.
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www.putfile.com/trackbowler627

High game-300
High series-796

Current Arsenal- Track Power Machine, Ebonite Total NV, Track Phoenix, Track Mean Machine, Track Phenom, and Track Silencer.
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: Rock77 on May 21, 2007, 07:31:04 AM
My current Track status is as such:

I am currently throwing Visionary stuff and have signed up for their test staff membership. My reasoning for doing this is because with the buyout, I needed to supplement my ball purchasing habits...lol, and with the lengthy period of time between releases, I took the opportunity to try some new equipment. I still love the Track brand and will purchase their new stuff as it is released. In fact, I still have quite a few balls from them and throw them frequently. I did sell some stuff, but it was only to make room for the new Visionary stuff I was getting and because the stuff I sold wasn't seeing much use.

With that said, I am anxious to see what Track has in store for us with its new releases. I can't wait to get "back on Track!"
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Visionary Test Staff Member '07-'08
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: AdrianS on May 21, 2007, 08:43:49 AM
Still looking after my litle collection, keeping the stronger stuff for away from home duties. Stuff like the Artillery, Angular and Machine should be the strongest stuff i get out on leauge nights. Oldies like my Elite Pearl, EMB Pearl and Heat2 Pearl will prob see the most action of anything now. Still reppin Track with my growing collection of shirts too, gotta look a million dollars while i'm 'at work'!!
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Time for some REAL bowling!!!
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on May 21, 2007, 09:50:19 AM
quote:
Man I so want this to be true.

What I'm dying to see is a good high performance dry to light/medium oil ball, maybe even with a assymetric core. Seems like you're in the know on these things, what can you tell us about this?

Also, whats the timetable on the new releases? I know it will be at least before the start of the new season, but can you be any more specific?

 





It is true. Track will be Track. Plain and simple.


Now about the equipment. I understand your request for a med/light high performance ball but you have to consider a few things. FIRST- I am sure that you would not expect this to be the first release. If A company were to release a weak ball at a high performance price point I believe it would be shooting itself in the foot. HOOK sells guys. I am not sure of the plans for that far ahead, but I wouldn't expect a ball like to be released for a long time.

As for specific release dates I am unsure. What I can tell you is that everyone will know alot more in about a month.

-Carl
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Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio


Tag Team Member #1

TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: tenpinspro on May 22, 2007, 08:18:38 AM
quote:
I am a former Track Staff member and I am looking forward to the new releases. Fig and I get along well and knowing his passion and enthusisiam the brand will succeed. Looking forward to Bowl Expo to see the product.  


Hey 10,

Look forward to meeting you there as well....
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Rick Leong - Ten Pins Pro Shop  
Vise Inserts Staff
Dexter Advisory Staff

Tag Team Coaching - Co-Founder

See profile for Track Ball videos

*El Presidente of the Track Legion

Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on May 22, 2007, 05:13:50 PM
Bowl Expo should be something sweet this year. IF nothing else it should have more meaning to the Track faithful than it has in many many years! I hope to see alot of you guys/gals there.

-Carl
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Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio


Tag Team Member #1

TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: Spartan on May 22, 2007, 06:23:50 PM
i will stick with track, no doubt. IMHO they make some of the best balls ever released, and i will definitely snap up the new releases. count me aboard.

ps- probably about to pick up the power machine to go under my animal. i want the last of the machines!

pps- i know, i sound really dumb, but what is bowl expo?


Edited on 5/22/2007 6:25 PM
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on May 22, 2007, 06:30:15 PM
I definitely wouldn't expect that to be their first release, nor their second or even third I believe.  Either way, I was kinda iffy about the "New Track" at first, but over the last few days, I've become quite eager about it.  If they make something on the level of the Fury, TNV, or even Black Widow, I can definitely see myself being all Track once again.  As for the TNV....I'm working out some bugs with it right now.  Not sure what I'll wind up doing with it.
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www.putfile.com/trackbowler627

High game-300
High series-796

Current Arsenal- Track Power Machine, Ebonite Total NV, Track Phoenix, Track Mean Machine, Track Phenom, and Track Silencer.

Edited on 5/22/2007 6:30 PM
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: RaginCajun on May 22, 2007, 08:12:39 PM
I'm still with Track for the most part. I still use
my Angular,Reactive,Animal Untamed,Dry Heat. I bought
a NIB Equation for the fall season, but i also bought
a NIB Storm Shift. My reason for buying a Storm ball is
that i have seen this ball in action and can i just tell
you that this ball is an absolute monster and i cannot
wait to drill this ball up. I,m with Track
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Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: spinner031 on May 22, 2007, 08:41:49 PM
quote:
Now about the equipment. I understand your request for a med/light high performance ball but you have to consider a few things. FIRST- I am sure that you would not expect this to be the first release. If A company were to release a weak ball at a high performance price point I believe it would be shooting itself in the foot. HOOK sells guys. I am not sure of the plans for that far ahead, but I wouldn't expect a ball like to be released for a long time.


So by a Heat now.
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: Lane Bed on May 23, 2007, 12:50:37 AM
I'M OUT. I started using Del's designs with AMF and they worked really well for me. Del and I became friends and I was always amazed at the attention he paid to those who used his designs, and everyone here knows that. He made balls for "bowlers". He traveled a lot, ran clinics and was approachable to anyone who was interested in the product. His designs were specific to what his customers, us,  wanted and I wish you good luck finding that attitude again. The recycling game was not part of his genre and he paid great detail to the coverstock materials and even to the color of the balls his customers liked. Del, Dawn, Chuck Gardner and the people he put together all got a "raw deal" and I can't honestly overlook that fact. There is more to life than loyality to the "brand" when the people who set the standard for that brand are disregarded.

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EvEryOnE rOlls OvEr thE lanEbEd
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on May 23, 2007, 12:56:55 AM
lanebed,

here is something to consider bud, and I feel very strongly for Del and Dawn and the rest as well......I had a lengthy conversation with Dawn a while back, had things not had happened to them the way it did Del would not have gotten a good departing deal. If he were in charge when the buyout occured he would be in the same boat as some of the others. Del and Dawn are not sour about what happened. Granted, they are not happy.........but it opened a door for Del to do what he truely loves.

One thing that I can guess is that Del would be happy knowing that Rick and myself(two of his disciples) are basically carrying on his beliefs.

-Carl
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Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio


Tag Team Member #1

TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder

Edited on 5/23/2007 0:57 AM
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: tenpinspro on May 24, 2007, 10:18:30 AM
quote:
I'M OUT. I started using Del's designs with AMF and they worked really well for me. Del and I became friends and I was always amazed at the attention he paid to those who used his designs, and everyone here knows that. He made balls for "bowlers". He traveled a lot, ran clinics and was approachable to anyone who was interested in the product. His designs were specific to what his customers, us, wanted and I wish you good luck finding that attitude again. The recycling game was not part of his genre and he paid great detail to the coverstock materials and even to the color of the balls his customers liked. Del, Dawn, Chuck Gardner and the people he put together all got a "raw deal" and I can't honestly overlook that fact. There is more to life than loyality to the "brand" when the people who set the standard for that brand are disregarded.


Hey Lanebed, I hear you man.  I have the utmost respect for Del, Dawn, Chuck and Brian Pursel.  These people have not only taught me about the industry but we became friends.  "THAT" is priceless.....

 
quote:
There is more to life than loyality to the "brand" when the people who set the standard for that brand are disregarded.  


Agree whole heartedly but isn't that what you're doing now?....showing your sense of loyalty?  Loyalty is being faithful, that's all.  Point the finger in the right direction, was it Ebonite or anyone there who pushed out our friends?  NO!  So at least be fair and open minded.

I can't disregard anybody who comes in and takes over a business, business is business as we know.  Everytime your boss leaves for a better job/gets fired/whatever, do you quit?  No, (regardless of loyalty and friendship) most of us can't. In life, I give everyone the benefit of the doubt until he/she shows me their true colors and then I will make my decision as to how they fit into my life.  I thought everyone did this to some extent....

Please thank Kenny Hall for me.  Our drilling, (the Leong-Hall) should be renamed to the Lanebed Layout IMHO. It is having much success out here on many of our wet/dry conditions, thank you very much for this.
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Rick Leong - Ten Pins Pro Shop  
Vise Inserts Staff
Dexter Advisory Staff

Tag Team Coaching - Co-Founder

See profile for Track Ball videos

*El Presidente of the Track Legion



Edited on 5/24/2007 10:44 AM
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on May 24, 2007, 02:48:59 PM
Very well said Rick. I couldn't agree more. Many of us were unhappy with the way things went for Del and co., but that is business. None of the folks at Ebonite were behind those moves.

-Carl
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Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio


Tag Team Member #1

TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on May 24, 2007, 09:18:47 PM
Words could not describe how thoroughly pissed I was when they were bought out.  Especially since I bought the PM, MM, and pre-ordered the Phoenix not too long before this happened.  Getting as mad as I did, showed me how loyal I am (even though I have a TNV) to Track.

In my fall league, I was the only one who threw Track, and it just made me all the more dedicated that Track was a strong company, and showing up the best of the best in my league.
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www.putfile.com/trackbowler627

High game-300
High series-796

Current Arsenal- Track Power Machine, Ebonite Total NV, Track Phoenix, Track Mean Machine, Track Phenom, and Track Silencer.

Summer THS avg-231(3 games)
PBA Exp. avg-TBD
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: zdfuhsdsbdbd on May 24, 2007, 09:38:43 PM
I had 22 Star Trak Balls, and then switched to Track when Phil Cardinale left Star Trak and started Track after Dick Haas and Star Trak folded. I have owned 8 or 10 Track balls and If they are the same covers and designs I will, but if they are just Ebonite balls with a Track Logo, I won't.
Title: Re: Your TRACK status???
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on May 24, 2007, 11:19:26 PM
blueraider,

The Track designs will be unique and different than Ebonite. This seems to the biggest concern of most you. Track will be unique and a company all its own.

-Carl
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Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio


Tag Team Member #1

TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder