Post by: Strapper_Squared on December 09, 2005, 03:21:45 AM
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Post by: DanH78 on December 12, 2005, 07:54:21 AM
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on January 31, 2006, 01:16:08 AM
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Post by: Strapper_Squared on February 01, 2006, 09:35:58 AM
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Post by: DanR on February 02, 2006, 11:57:38 AM
Post by: DanH78 on February 02, 2006, 12:40:02 PM
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Wow! I checked today and still nothing posted. That tends to put the people who bowl early at a fairly large disadvantage? I mean..you travel out in the first month...maybe you have a week to practice on the pattern, while someone else who bowls in June had three months? Its not a secret... its posted for everyone to view...unless the USBC doesn't know the pattern until just prior to the start of the tournament (which I highly doubt), why not just post it?
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First comment, practicing on the "official" pattern anywhere except the convention center is not really practicing on the real pattern. Unless you can mimmick the exact lane surface, oil type, lane machine, humidity, and probably 15 other factors, the shot will play different. You can get it close, but not the same.
Second comment, the pattern is not set in stone until just a few days before the tournament. They can't decide until they get the lanes installed and do some experiments to see what holds up. Pattern A that works in Greendale may play different once you get to the tournament site.
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Post by: Troyboy on February 02, 2006, 12:53:23 PM
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Post by: charlest on February 03, 2006, 06:26:39 AM
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First comment, practicing on the "official" pattern anywhere except the convention center is not really practicing on the real pattern. Unless you can mimmick the exact lane surface, oil type, lane machine, humidity, and probably 15 other factors, the shot will play different. You can get it close, but not the same.
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Post by: Strapper_Squared on February 03, 2006, 06:46:11 AM
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First comment, practicing on the "official" pattern anywhere except the convention center is not really practicing on the real pattern. Unless you can mimmick the exact lane surface, oil type, lane machine, humidity, and probably 15 other factors, the shot will play different. You can get it close, but not the same.
Agreed, Not stating its an exact replica, but at least its a lot closer than a house shot. If nothing else, it reminds you just how important staying out of trouble and making spares actually is on "real" patterns. And I would venture to say it will give you a relative idea (or course there are at least 15 other factors that come into play) of the volume of oil.
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Post by: DanH78 on February 03, 2006, 08:49:38 AM
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Agreed, Not stating its an exact replica, but at least its a lot closer than a house shot. If nothing else, it reminds you just how important staying out of trouble and making spares actually is on "real" patterns. And I would venture to say it will give you a relative idea (or course there are at least 15 other factors that come into play) of the volume of oil.
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Well, the point I was trying to make (and didn't express very well at all) is that I've seen people practice on the "official" pattern at their home house. Then they go into Nationals with this preconceived notion of how the lanes will play. Which in turn can cause them to play the lanes wrong for a good portion, or all, of the tournament. So if your intention is to hone your skills on a tougher pattern, then I think it's a good idea, but if you are trying to figure out the lanes before you get there, IMO that's a mistake.
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Post by: janderson on February 03, 2006, 06:11:21 PM
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Oil pattern probably won't be published until just prior to the start of the tourney.
True - according to the USBC's head mechanic, they spend about two weeks tweaking the shot after the lanes are first inspected and/or built (ie. Baton Rouge). There is much work that goes into building the condition and the proof is truly in the pudding.
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Post by: hskrntx on February 10, 2006, 08:55:50 AM
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Post by: Troyboy on February 10, 2006, 09:56:54 AM
Yes they are the Pro Anvil Lanes
They were still tweaking the shot a bit, but they said this would be very very close and this would be one of the last changes. I was able to play up the outside, straight up 5 board, the back ends were pretty snappy, I think the oil was about 38 feet long. The carry was very good, for singles I shot well, but was just playing around trying many different things. For the second set, we moved pairs, and I did stay off the corner the whole time, and shot even better. The carry straight up 5 was great. I think I only left 3 10pins in 6 games. Most of the guys that were really trying to swing the ball through the middle, were struggling with allot of over under, unless they were able to get the ball a ways out. My wife normally averages about 160, she shot 530 her first set playing straight up 8 and i believe a low 500 the second set. So as of right now, it looks like the shot is gunna be playable outside, but im sure will change just a touch before Saturday. If time allows, im gunna go on Saturday to the opening ceremony and check out where everyone else is playing to see how much the shot has or hasn't changed.
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Post by: DanH78 on February 10, 2006, 10:22:28 AM
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Post by: cgilyeat on February 10, 2006, 11:23:28 AM
http://www.bowl.com/tournaments/usbcopen/National/laneconditions.aspx
Click on the pdf link to bring up the graph.
Post by: high_revs on February 10, 2006, 11:56:55 AM
Post by: Pinbuster on February 10, 2006, 12:26:47 PM
But I have felt that way before and I have almost always been fooled. I must not be ablle to read graphs very well.
Billings was the only time it seemed to work out with the AMF HPL lanes.
I would go with Bob and say you probably need to play around 15 or deeper depending on your style.
Post by: DanH78 on February 10, 2006, 12:29:59 PM
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Anyone have the graph from last year>?
Ask and ye shall receive. I searched back and found my post from last year
http://www.bowl.com/downloads/pdf/tournaments_abc_2005pattern.pdf
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Post by: solid9 on February 10, 2006, 03:45:04 PM
Post by: DanH78 on February 10, 2006, 03:53:33 PM
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Looking at the pattern you would think you could play outside.
But I have felt that way before and I have almost always been fooled. I must not be ablle to read graphs very well.
Billings was the only time it seemed to work out with the AMF HPL lanes.
I would go with Bob and say you probably need to play around 15 or deeper depending on your style.
My first year was Billings, everyone said play deep or play the twig, so I spent the first 6 games jumping back and fourth from 3-4th arrow and outside the 1st and had no luck. I finally said to heck with it and started going straight up 10. I didn't shoot the lights out, but I had my best games of the tournament.
The lesson? Don't go in with some preconceived notion that you can only score if you do X. It's good to have a gameplan, but if that plan isn't working you can't be afraid to try something else.
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Post by: tjj300 on February 11, 2006, 10:48:47 AM
I would guess the oil is slicker but doesn't migrate as much as last years oil.
Post by: Strapper_Squared on February 11, 2006, 01:44:51 PM
Based upon you style and current equipment, how would you go about attacking these conditions?
I would think that a smooth reacting MILD solid resin ball would work (at least initially) outside. I have an old speed demon at home that might fit the bill perfectly. Once the oil pushes down a bit and the backends/breakpoint get touchy, I think a mild/medium pearl (or solid shined up) with built in length would play inside.. I might look to my silver diamond?!?!
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Post by: Nuskoolstyleoldskoolballs on February 18, 2006, 07:37:18 PM
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Post by: janderson on February 20, 2006, 04:45:27 PM
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....i would like to be able to tell him how to shoot lol...just has no spare game
In all seriousness, tell him to get as much spare practice in as he possibly can. Knowing the pattern to a pin-point isn't going to help him if he can't make spares.
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