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Title: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: Mvpbowler on October 29, 2008, 08:50:12 AM
http://bowl.com/articleView.aspx?i=14975&f=4

Interesting, wonder where to move it to
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Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: high_revs on October 29, 2008, 04:57:18 PM
That sucks...was looking forward to Orlando in 2011
Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: riggs on October 29, 2008, 08:58:25 PM
Wichita?
Corpus?
Albq?
Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: Mvpbowler on October 29, 2008, 09:02:51 PM
I am going to say no to Albq. That would make like 5 straight years out west.. Has to be somewhere back east is my guess
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Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: triggerman on October 29, 2008, 10:38:00 PM
if corpus or baton rouge can pull it together in that short of a time frame i anticipate them getting it, Witchita pissed off the USBC so i dont expect to see it there
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Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on October 29, 2008, 10:43:56 PM
It's coming to Detroit...I guess bowlers complained about all the nice weather and fun times they were having at Nationals, so they decided to move it to the D.


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Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: THEICEMAN on October 30, 2008, 07:52:28 AM
It won't be Baton Rouge, we're there in 2012.  I'm betting Corpus Christi as it's been what, 3 years?  Could be Albuquerque again since it would be a couple years in between.  At least we know both would love to have us back from everything we heard from the locals.  Doubt it will be East as it doesn't seem anyone is interested in bidding for it.  But with economics being the reason for a year delay in building the facility in Orlando, maybe it will the reason for someone in the East to step forward and bid for a change.

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Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: riggs on October 30, 2008, 08:06:40 AM
Iceman has good points - it has to go somewhere that wants it - that is why I named the places I did.
Short time frame also may mean it needs to be some place with experience putting this together.
Baton Rouge I didn't say because it has 2012.
Maybe Vegas would want it back as bad as things are there.
Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: Jorge300 on October 30, 2008, 08:12:59 AM
I hope it goes to Houston......A new city, new places to see.....plus then I don't have to travel, maybe....if I'm still living here by then .

Seriously, I think Corpus is a good bet, based on the fact thwy know how to run it and seem very interested in getting the tournament back as often as possible. Also, don't count out Wichita. Whatever they did to lose it is water under the vridge at this point, without a place to hold it, anywhere that can afford it and can make it work in this short of a time frame will be considered.
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Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: riggs on October 30, 2008, 08:15:00 AM
Reno also will be a possibility since that is an open year there.  I'm sure USBC would see that as a last resort but they might not have a lot of options this late in the situation.
Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: Pinbuster on October 30, 2008, 09:07:58 AM
I'm guessing Reno 2 years in a row.

The USBC is wanting to get away from building lanes and thought they had in 2011.

Reno was one of the finalist for 2011 after the Wichita debacle.
Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: T Brockette on October 30, 2008, 11:14:43 AM
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I'm guessing Reno 2 years in a row.

The USBC is wanting to get away from building lanes and thought they had in 2011.

Reno was one of the finalist for 2011 after the Wichita debacle.


I think Tulsa was one too or they put the bid in for it, but I surely don't see it coming there. I would love it to be there only because I am an hour away, but there is NOTHING to do there.
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Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: Charles on October 30, 2008, 11:23:02 AM
Tracy,
And what was the name of that stripper again?  HeHe!
Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: T Brockette on October 30, 2008, 04:25:40 PM
Night Trips and Cloud 9......and no I don't have your number. Send it to me in a PM, we still need to go to Roberts new center.
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Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: dpunky on November 10, 2008, 12:04:32 PM
Just got word of this.  I really wanted to go to Orlando in 2011.  Hopefully it will be a good site on the east coast.
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Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: TWOHAND834 on November 10, 2008, 04:58:01 PM
When someone here mentioned Houston, my first thought was there was no way.  I heard a rumor years ago that USBC won't go to "A type" cities like Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, etc because cities such as those don't like giving up venues for that long a period of time.  Those cities are always booking events at the local convention centers that they almost do not need something like the USBC Tournament.  Look at the places we have gone to.  Huntsville, Knoxville, Billings, Corpus Cristi, Albuquerque, Reno.  Those are not really considered major cities.

You know where I would like to see it go?  JACKSONVILLE, FL!!!!  It was held there back around 1990, on the east coast, and close enough to Orlando where plans for travel would not significantly change. I drove through there back in August and it looks like a pretty clean city.  A friend of mine who used to live there said that they have cleaned the city up quite a bit over the past 5-10 years.  The World Golf Village is a must see for golf fans and only a 20 minute drive South of Jacksonville.  St Augustine is a city that is cool to visit that is rich in history.  S.A. is about 30 minutes south as well. Not to mention the Beaches!!!!

Jacksonville, Jacksonville, Jacksonville!!!!!
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Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: Charles on November 11, 2008, 07:30:40 AM
Steven....as long as those beaches allow the women to roam topless, I second the motion!

Edited on 11/11/2008 8:31 AM
Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: riggs on November 12, 2008, 07:14:54 PM
Bowlers Journal reported today in its cyber newsletter that Reno is the favorite for 2011 - just tying up contract details before the announcement.
Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: jefftaker2002 on November 13, 2008, 01:17:22 AM
i just started goin to this tournament this past year so im kinda curious what went wrong with wichita.
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Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: Game_Entertainment on November 13, 2008, 03:35:12 AM
How about Louisville Kentucky
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Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: riggs on November 13, 2008, 07:23:55 AM
Reno is all but set, BJI reports.

http://77square.com/sweat/blog/frame11/entry_314205
Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: Pinbuster on November 13, 2008, 07:52:36 AM
I've got to think that Orlando will get a slide of 2 years.

So
2010 - Reno
2011 - Reno
2012 - Baton Rouge
2013 - Orlando and then every 3 years
2014 - Reno and then every 3 years
Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: riggs on November 13, 2008, 08:11:28 AM
Women already scheduled for Orlando in 2013, 2016, etc. so would have to alter their schedule as well to get Open to Orlando in 2013.

Would imagine we will go to Reno 3 out of 4 years.
Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: WSUstroker on November 13, 2008, 08:23:12 AM
3 out of 4 in Reno, ouch.  I'm not much of a gambler and there's only so much to do in that area.
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Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: Pinbuster on November 13, 2008, 08:24:34 AM
I'm just thinking with the current climate they can't the financing and the opening will slide at least 2 years.

They have a contract with Baton Rouge and probably have to go there.

Whether they would for the Women's open out a year or have the men go to Reno 3 out of 4 years I don't know.
Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on November 13, 2008, 11:07:12 AM
yes that is awesome!
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Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: oregonsawhead on November 13, 2008, 01:32:10 PM
I say they need to do it like this:

Reno
Orlando
Las Vegas
Wild Card Location

repeat
Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: Bill Thomas on November 14, 2008, 02:31:38 PM
IMO, if they go to Reno 3 out of 4 years, they will see a drop in entries especially from the east coast and even moreso if the economy continues to tank.  They need to seriously reconsider their schedule.
Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: THEICEMAN on November 21, 2008, 07:39:44 AM
It doesn't matter if THEY recognize it or not.  It isn't up to the USBC to go to Atlanta and say "we want to hold the National Tournament here in 2010, what kind of facility etc can you give us and what will it cost?"  ANY city can bid on the tournament IF they wish.  The East coast, or half of the country for that matter has shown little or no interest in bidding.  It's been hashed on here many times that a location either doesn't have the facilities or need to tie one up for 6 months to bring in the kind of money we generate.  The latter may be a different story with the economy at present but the fact we are booked ahead as far as we are figures in as well.  4 or 5 years down the road we all have to hope it's recovered, and then of course it goes back to they don't need a 6 month tournament tying up one of their convention centers.
Everyone has their angle on it.  With living here in Wisconsin and dealing with the weather we can have, by mid March when we always bowl it's nice to get to a little milder weather.  Not to sure if it was in say Detroit, Philly or any where else East and or North we would be as religious about going.  Chicago? Sure, even in crappy weather it's at worst a 4 or 5 our drive for us.  But the main thing to remember.... to host, a city must show they want it there, by bidding on it

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Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: TWOHAND834 on November 21, 2008, 10:50:00 AM
THEICEMAN is correct.  It is up to the city to bid on the tournament.  BUT, it would be nice to see the USBC take a little initiative, if they haven't, to contact some cities on the eastern side of the US and see if they would like a tournament there for 5 months.  There are ALOT of places on the East Coast from Florida all the way to Virginia.  I would like to go to different places such as Jacksonville, Savannah, GA, Charlotte, NC, Columbia, SC, Richmond, VA, places like that.
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Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: BAPSBill on November 21, 2008, 10:57:02 AM
Knoxville "begged" to have the USBC come back a couple of years ago and they said it could take possiby 10 years to get back. Knoxville said they couldn't believe it would take that long. Why not go there if the city is willing to contribute.

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Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: BrunsBrent on November 21, 2008, 12:08:28 PM
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Wichita?
Corpus?
Albq?




hopefully not any one of those
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Title: Re: 2011 Nationals.. Not in Florida it looks like
Post by: Pat Patterson on November 25, 2008, 08:35:54 AM
Here's an excerpt from the latest news from bowl.com explaining their take on why the venue will or may not return to the east coast.

"The impact of the credit crisis continues to be felt across the country," said USBC Chief Operating Officer Kevin Dornberger. "We recognize our members on the East Coast would like to see the Open Championships closer to home. The project in the Orlando area may not be ready in 2011, but we are committed to seeing an arena for bowling in this ideal location."

As the Open Championships continues to grow, fewer cities have large enough venues available to host the event.  The Open Championships requires 100,000 square feet of convention center floor space for seven consecutive months.

"USBC has talked with nearly every potential host city in the eastern portion of the country," Mordini said. "City leaders are increasingly cautious about booking one event for seven months straight, even one with a proven track record of success like the Open Championships."
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