Post by: TJ Jr on February 10, 2012, 06:59:13 AM
Post by: jaydee on February 10, 2012, 03:02:47 PM
Basic numbers are out 2.2:1, 39ft, 25.2 mL. Someone post a link to the lane graph if/when they see one?
Post by: TJ Jr on February 10, 2012, 03:06:08 PM
http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/tournaments/pdfs/usbcopenchamp/2012OpenChampspattern.pdf
Post by: riggs on February 10, 2012, 04:38:10 PM
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Post by: offthesheet on February 10, 2012, 05:30:30 PM
Post by: northface28 on February 10, 2012, 05:57:29 PM
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Post by: riggs on February 11, 2012, 05:40:07 AM
On the fresh, it's likely to be symmetricals with surface again.
I updated the blog with comments from Steve Richter after he bowled on it as his center.
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Post by: Crash7189 on February 11, 2012, 06:04:40 AM
Ok here would be the question how much surface? I know it will be based on each bowlers Speed ,Rev rate etc. But what would be a good starting point?
Thanks
Post by: sport300 on February 11, 2012, 07:02:01 AM
2000 will give you a good read if you need more or less surface.
Post by: sevenpin63 on February 11, 2012, 02:38:28 PM
Thanks this is a good read.
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Post by: Track_Fanatic on February 11, 2012, 05:41:04 PM
Edited by Track_Fanatic on 2/11/2012 at 6:41 PM
Post by: riggs on February 12, 2012, 05:11:20 AM
Thanks Track ... appreciate it.
On the ball questions, everyone needs to realize that this is all art, NOT science. What works for a bowler depends on their own rev rate, speed, etc. AND how they and their team want to attack the lanes.
There is no way a two-handed righty with 500 revs would use the same balls as a 250-rev lefty so it's silly to ask the question "What balls should be used?"
Plus, what you use on fresh oil in team is not likely going to be what you use on the burn in minors.
Listen to reports from others who bowl in Baton Rouge who throw it similar to you and practice on the shot if you can to make choices that hopefully will work FOR YOUR GAME!
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Post by: Dave81644 on February 12, 2012, 09:14:43 AM
Only one thing I can add and it is guaranteed to add to each and every persons scores
regardless of which ball you use:
Work on your spare game!
You will need to make your spares if you want to be anywhere near the elite
This type of pattern will not allow you to make your spares like your typical house shot
Go and practice and only use your spare ball, learn to throw most spares with a straight ball, the only ones that i do not throw straight at are double wood.
It takes practice, practice , pratice..............
Practice would be a much smarter investment that some new ball that somebody else had success with.
Post by: JBracer2 on February 12, 2012, 06:21:36 PM
You guys say balls with surface. You think solid or maybe some thing like Modern marvel?
Post by: on February 12, 2012, 08:12:08 PM
On team event a solid should help blend the pattern both side to side and front to back. Although the pattern is much more demanding than we typically see in league, I always find the back-ends to hook if I play them correctly. A solid will do just that, but more predictably than a pearl or hybrid.
Once you create a little area, then the less aggressive covers may help you carry corners, but if this year's pattern favors straighter lines then maybe a pearl with no polish (2000-4000) will help. Every year my downfall seems to be splits, so I am tentatively planning on surfaces to create as predictable a read as I can, whether it be team event or minors. It's early, so pay attention to what works for those who bowl before you.
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Post by: charlest on February 16, 2012, 03:43:58 PM
It not only looks like serious sport condition, it also looks almost totally balanced left to right.
I thought in the past, the lefties' side had slightly more dry mostly because there are so many fewer lefties. Now it seems to be the same board for board, or did I read it wrong??
I think scores are going to be lower than many recent years.
Also 26 ml is a good amount of oil, more than most house shots see regularly.
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Edited by charlest on 2/16/2012 at 4:47 PM
Post by: batbowler on February 16, 2012, 05:31:27 PM
We put it down today just to have a guy test it for us. The Nexus solid was a great ball playing up about 7-8, but if he missed left it was real ugly!!! lol He had the best look with a pin down Wicked with surface, but once again misses right or left was ugly!!! lol The Nexus is pin above the bridge and when he played straight up the boards, he had a really good look!!! He tried moving left and playing like our house shot and missed the head pin!! It's a very flat pattern with oil from 2 board right to 2 board left. The left and right sides are basically the same!! Just my $.02, Bruce
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Post by: DanH78 on February 18, 2012, 09:11:32 PM
2 feet shorter and lower overall volume? I like it so far.
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Post by: riggs on February 19, 2012, 12:03:59 PM
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Post by: Hoselrockets on February 19, 2012, 12:10:34 PM
THB
Post by: jensm on February 19, 2012, 12:44:06 PM
Judging from the pattern settings, going straight outside board 6 with a medium-strong near axis-drilled ball makes sense to me. Transition should be slower out there than elsewhere.
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Post by: Dave81644 on February 19, 2012, 04:46:47 PM
not what we saw at all during league last week.
the rightys started out 10-7, then moved in form there and did OK for the first night.
I bowled with Eric P and we were 12-8 and the 2 of us lost the heads by the 7th or 8th frame of game 2
Post by: Russell on February 19, 2012, 07:32:55 PM
Good lord....we're talking about a pretty normal tough 39 foot pattern. I don't think trick drillings are necessary. People please don't lose your minds...use some surface, and the look will be pretty straight around 8...chase it in from there.
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on February 19, 2012, 07:50:36 PM
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Post by: Russell on February 19, 2012, 07:59:26 PM
You could be right, when I first saw the graph I thought there might be something around 5/6, but my normal group went this weekend and it seems that there wasn't much they saw out there. I had to bow out of my normal group because my wife was due our 3rd little one on the 15th. I have another group put together and we're probably going July 3rd and 4th.
I think if you have a group of "players" together, the target will be to blow it up further right, but for most bowlers not used to seeing there ball anywhere remotely right of second arrow, playing straight up 5 will be asking a lot.
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on February 19, 2012, 08:53:13 PM
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Post by: batbowler on February 19, 2012, 08:58:21 PM
The trouble with playing to far right is the pattern has 6 loads outside and 1 load on the others. If you get to far right the ball would hang and if your angle got right any the ball jumped left of the head pin. Pulled shots were ugly and if you played straighter up the boards about 7-8 you had a good reaction, but don't miss right!!! Surface is the key and the guys that had success were med range balls with surface about 1500 and 2000.
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on February 19, 2012, 09:30:09 PM
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Post by: tburky on February 19, 2012, 09:33:03 PM
For what it's worth I can assure you the national patterns in centers with the same surface will not be close. I like to practice on it though because it helps you get ready. But, you have to be open minded when you get there and not get set into doing what you did on the pattern in your center.
Post by: Hoselrockets on February 19, 2012, 09:38:40 PM
THB
Post by: riggs on February 20, 2012, 05:23:57 AM
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Post by: FrontTwelv on February 20, 2012, 07:11:59 AM
There is significantly less oil than we're used to. I bowled an event yesterday on this shot, it held up well. The usual attack up the outside didn't seem too favorable. I had a much better look inside, but keep in mind, I didn't have four other bowlers, make that 9 others who were burning up the right. I had a good look in the middle with a pin down hybrid.
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Post by: batbowler on February 20, 2012, 09:02:06 AM
Ditto 230! The mid-range and weaker with surface seem to hold up longer. The high end stuff was good for about 5 frames and then moves were necessary!!!
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on February 20, 2012, 10:11:03 AM
Bruce,
So are we saying that if you have the right group of guys taking dull high end stuff and playing up 7-8-9, that by the end of shadow or shortly thereafter we could already create a little bump area due to the lower volume? I am going out April 30-May1 with a really good team from the midwest area and we plan on doing a practice session the night before we are scheduled to bowl team event.
Also, what do you think about taking plastic balls and firing them up 3rd arrow to help create some hold in the middle? I may suggest to my team to do that on one lane and do the dull high end balls on the other lane and see which one plays the best.
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Post by: DrBob806 on February 20, 2012, 12:07:35 PM
Ouch.
It's the information age, and if we can learn anything before we head down, I think it's all great. As always, it still comes down to execution of your skills.
Post by: Russell on February 20, 2012, 12:28:51 PM
Just my .02 on that I think the pattern is plenty long to where you shouldn't need to "create" hold. Usually that's a good strategy for shorter patterns, because there is such a large amount of friction downlane. Also keep in mind that you will be moving oil out of the heads to do that, so for all of the hold you create, you'll also create hook in the heads. I think you will get more bang for your buck creating a hook spot vs. creating a hang spot, which is what will inevitably happen come the 3rd game.
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Post by: stopncrank on February 20, 2012, 12:58:30 PM
39ft. still leaves alot of backend, im not sure pattern carving is gonna be an advantage this year like it has in years past.
I bowled on the pattern at my home center over the weekend, and outside of 8 board was not playable, maybe if a group burnt a spot all through out practice, but that part of the lane did not give a favorable look. The better shot was to move everything in, keeping the breakpoint around 8, 9 and 10 board, anything outside of that wasnt making it back, and anything inside of that was through the nose. I know each center is different, will be interesting to see how my home center plays compared to Baton Rouge.
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on February 20, 2012, 02:03:43 PM
Thats pretty much what I figured. Breakpoint always seems to be in that 8-10 board area. It is just ball match up and shot execution that determines how well you score.
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Post by: Curt_Dupre on February 20, 2012, 02:24:04 PM
I bowled in the River Center during the Wednesday sweeper right before the official pattern came out. Now I know what I bowled on probably wasn't the exact pattern they have, but I am pretty sure it was close. This is what I got out of it. I used a number of balls just to try some different angles. I had a decent look going up 6-7 with a 505C at 4000 to start. What I noticed is stronger surfaces and stronger balls, caused the pattern to play much tougher. I got a bunch of early hook going straight or trying to go left to right. Now granted I played out pretty much by myself so never got to carve the pattern out. Another thing I noticed is they is a complete lack of hold. When my ball started reading too quick, I got into trouble. I tried to make some smaller moves, but that did not work as my ball started hooking through the face. What I did was I went to a shiny high pin 716C and opened up my angle. I started playing 13-6. My look got a lot better. The shine allowed the ball to get through the early hook, and retain energy downlane. The way I see it, the good teams can go straight to start and create a good bit of room to the outside. I also noticed the moves are going to be bigger in order try to find hold. Now granted this is just my take. On another pair a couple of my friends broke them down together, playing up 5 to start. They all shot above 600 for 3 with 1 guy shooting 720. As for myself I shot 200, 191, 213 for 3. I did throw 6 balls just trying out different things. I didn't miss any spares, But did leave 6 splits all through the face.
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Post by: stopncrank on February 20, 2012, 02:35:35 PM
Curt, thats pretty much spot on as to what I saw as well. Folks using the upper end stuff struggled to move fast enought to keep up with the transition. Those that used mid to low range stuff had a much more manageable look.
I know some have said maybe stay in the same spot and ball down, and while that might work for some it did not work for me, of course part of that was due to where others started. But i too struggled with finding hold, and 3 and 2 moves at times werent enough once I chased it inside of 20. Thats when the carry issues really came into play.
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on February 20, 2012, 02:51:16 PM
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Post by: riggs on February 28, 2012, 04:19:35 PM
Take this with about 5 grains of salt - not real certain yet about this pattern.
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