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2013 lane patterns webcast Feb. 28
« on: February 06, 2013, 11:34:44 AM »
The 11th Frame: Lane patterns to be unveiled in Open Championships kickoff show webcast Feb. 28

http://11thframe.com/page/blog_id_5635

And webcast schedule is here:

http://11thframe.com/page/blog_id_5636




 

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Re: 2013 lane patterns webcast Feb. 28
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2013, 11:44:38 AM »
Thanks- this should be interesting for sure. No matter what the pattern, we just need to roll it & not steer it....easier said than done.

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Re: 2013 lane patterns webcast Feb. 28
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2013, 11:41:19 AM »
Team event is high volume 41 foot pattern.  Pretty long for a nationals.  I think it will set up real nice inside 10 unless high rev guys get too deep out of the box and blow it up.  DBLS and singles is lower volume 39 foot pattern.  Transitions could be a little tricky on this pattern. 

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Re: 2013 lane patterns webcast Feb. 28
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2013, 01:57:25 PM »

The question I have is would Mo Pinel's Subtract 31 formula work for this pattern?

I know it's hard to tell without seeing how shots are being thrown (first webcast will be Friday), but I would think that the Subtract 31 formula should give us at least something to look at while practicing on the two patterns..

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Re: 2013 lane patterns webcast Feb. 28
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2013, 05:01:36 PM »
I know it is early but seems to me that scores are a little higher early this year. I don't remember a 2000 all events after 3 or 4 days last year and they already have a couple of 3000+ in team event.

While I don't have a problem with different patterns for team versus minors I find it interesting that the heavier pattern seems to be in the team event where 30 games will be bowled on a pair versus the minors with 36 games bowled on the pair.

Also have they started allowing practice time in the minors? I applaud this if they have.

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Re: 2013 lane patterns webcast Feb. 28
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2013, 05:07:36 PM »
One thing not getting talked about much is the new oil this year, "Ice". It is supposed to hold up longer than "Infinity" which was used in years past. Supposed to play about 2 boards tighter than "Infinity" as well.
 
Pinbuster, from what I have heard, although it is unconfirmed, is the usual 10 mins of practice for team and 6 mins of practice for Minors. A little better than just 2 balls per lane, but with 6 people on a pair, you won't get many more shots than those 2 balls anyway.
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Re: 2013 lane patterns webcast Feb. 28
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2013, 07:36:51 AM »
If you guys would just read my blog, you would not have to ask these questions!

The 11th Frame: The scoop on Kegel's new 'Ice' oil that will be used at the USBC Open Championships 
(also includes the practice time for minors)

http://11thframe.com/page/blog_id_5691


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Re: 2013 lane patterns webcast Feb. 28
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2013, 07:38:01 AM »
ROTFLMAO!  This is an annual post = someone notices a score or two and thinks they are higher this year. You can't tell ANYTHING substantial about scores until a few weeks have gone by.


I know it is early but seems to me that scores are a little higher early this year. I don't remember a 2000 all events after 3 or 4 days last year and they already have a couple of 3000+ in team event.

While I don't have a problem with different patterns for team versus minors I find it interesting that the heavier pattern seems to be in the team event where 30 games will be bowled on a pair versus the minors with 36 games bowled on the pair.

Also have they started allowing practice time in the minors? I applaud this if they have.

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Re: 2013 lane patterns webcast Feb. 28
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2013, 08:01:59 AM »
ROTFLMAO!  This is an annual post = someone notices a score or two and thinks they are higher this year. You can't tell ANYTHING substantial about scores until a few weeks have gone by.

I agree!  It's kind of like a NASCAR race finishing the first lap.
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Re: 2013 lane patterns webcast Feb. 28
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2013, 12:55:44 PM »
Riggs, You have a blog?   ;D

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Re: 2013 lane patterns webcast Feb. 28
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2013, 05:02:10 PM »
If you guys would just read my blog, you would not have to ask these questions!

The 11th Frame: The scoop on Kegel's new 'Ice' oil that will be used at the USBC Open Championships 
(also includes the practice time for minors)

http://11thframe.com/page/blog_id_5691

Thanks for the insight here, though it has me asking a couple of questions that you nor anyone here may not have the answers to yet. From your blog:

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Applying the theorem of minus 31, you would want your ball to exit the pattern around 10-board on the team pattern and 8-board on the minors pattern.

We're thinking alike here. I was applying that, and got the same numbers. However, Applying Mo's breakpoint formula, if I take the corner of the highest red bar and subtract 3, that should get me the breakpoint for the shot. That for Team, the highest corner is 12, putting 9 being the breakpoint. For minors, the highest corner is 14, giving us the breakpoint at 11. That's 1 board difference for team, and 3 for minors.

So I'm trying to figure out which formula applies best to this pattern.

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But there isn't going to be hold there to enable you to go at the pocket.

So does this mean that there will not be a track area to play to get to the pocket? If so, then we are all going to need to be well inside the boards mentioned at the end of the pattern, which favour's Mo's formula.. But wouldn't that lead to weak hits and flat corners due to lack of entry angle?

Or am I just thinking too damn much?  :o  ???

Thoughts?

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Re: 2013 lane patterns webcast Feb. 28
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2013, 05:34:50 PM »
Brad,

Are you thinking that the exit point of the oil pattern and the breakpoint are the same?
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Re: 2013 lane patterns webcast Feb. 28
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2013, 06:42:09 PM »
Brad,

Are you thinking that the exit point of the oil pattern and the breakpoint are the same?

Good question.. Not at all. But shouldn't the breakpoint be further out than the exit point of the pattern? That's what has me a bit confused there.

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Re: 2013 lane patterns webcast Feb. 28
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2013, 07:44:31 PM »
Brad,

Are you thinking that the exit point of the oil pattern and the breakpoint are the same?

Good question.. Not at all. But shouldn't the breakpoint be further out than the exit point of the pattern? That's what has me a bit confused there.

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I'm no expert, but that is what I think too.  The BP should be further down the lane than the exit point.

On the sport patterns that I have played, usually the shorter patterns I had more success playing further right.  So that would fit in with what you are saying for the shorter 39 pattern.  Exit oil at 8 and BP at 11 if you are standing further right with a slight angle in towards the left (for a RH).

On the longer oil patterns being a RH, generally I had to play those further left.  So I guess you could exit the oil at 11 and slightly angle or swing it out to 10 at the BP.

I don't know if this is correct but it seems to fit what you posted earlier.  Also, usually these formulas are a suggested starting point to get you in the general area.  Move as you need to.  I am not sure if these two formulas are supposed to fit together.  Each on their own will get you to the best area to play that pattern.

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Re: 2013 lane patterns webcast Feb. 28
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2013, 08:23:38 AM »
I've tought long and hard on whether to respond to this.

This will be my 27th nationals. I know full well how the process tends to go.

While I didn't keep a log. I believe it was at least a month into the tournament last year before a team shot 3000. This year in the first 3 or 4 days there have been at least 3 teams that have.

If only one team had done this I would shrug it off. 3 teams in the first week where they had little opportunity to learn the pattern seems significant. But only time will tell.

ROTFLMAO!  This is an annual post = someone notices a score or two and thinks they are higher this year. You can't tell ANYTHING substantial about scores until a few weeks have gone by.


I know it is early but seems to me that scores are a little higher early this year. I don't remember a 2000 all events after 3 or 4 days last year and they already have a couple of 3000+ in team event.

While I don't have a problem with different patterns for team versus minors I find it interesting that the heavier pattern seems to be in the team event where 30 games will be bowled on a pair versus the minors with 36 games bowled on the pair.

Also have they started allowing practice time in the minors? I applaud this if they have.