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General Category => USBC Tournament => Topic started by: riggs on February 06, 2013, 11:34:44 AM
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The 11th Frame: Lane patterns to be unveiled in Open Championships kickoff show webcast Feb. 28
http://11thframe.com/page/blog_id_5635
And webcast schedule is here:
http://11thframe.com/page/blog_id_5636
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Thanks- this should be interesting for sure. No matter what the pattern, we just need to roll it & not steer it....easier said than done.
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Team event is high volume 41 foot pattern. Pretty long for a nationals. I think it will set up real nice inside 10 unless high rev guys get too deep out of the box and blow it up. DBLS and singles is lower volume 39 foot pattern. Transitions could be a little tricky on this pattern.
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The question I have is would Mo Pinel's Subtract 31 formula work for this pattern?
I know it's hard to tell without seeing how shots are being thrown (first webcast will be Friday), but I would think that the Subtract 31 formula should give us at least something to look at while practicing on the two patterns..
BL.
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I know it is early but seems to me that scores are a little higher early this year. I don't remember a 2000 all events after 3 or 4 days last year and they already have a couple of 3000+ in team event.
While I don't have a problem with different patterns for team versus minors I find it interesting that the heavier pattern seems to be in the team event where 30 games will be bowled on a pair versus the minors with 36 games bowled on the pair.
Also have they started allowing practice time in the minors? I applaud this if they have.
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One thing not getting talked about much is the new oil this year, "Ice". It is supposed to hold up longer than "Infinity" which was used in years past. Supposed to play about 2 boards tighter than "Infinity" as well.
Pinbuster, from what I have heard, although it is unconfirmed, is the usual 10 mins of practice for team and 6 mins of practice for Minors. A little better than just 2 balls per lane, but with 6 people on a pair, you won't get many more shots than those 2 balls anyway.
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If you guys would just read my blog, you would not have to ask these questions!
The 11th Frame: The scoop on Kegel's new 'Ice' oil that will be used at the USBC Open Championships
(also includes the practice time for minors)
http://11thframe.com/page/blog_id_5691
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ROTFLMAO! This is an annual post = someone notices a score or two and thinks they are higher this year. You can't tell ANYTHING substantial about scores until a few weeks have gone by.
I know it is early but seems to me that scores are a little higher early this year. I don't remember a 2000 all events after 3 or 4 days last year and they already have a couple of 3000+ in team event.
While I don't have a problem with different patterns for team versus minors I find it interesting that the heavier pattern seems to be in the team event where 30 games will be bowled on a pair versus the minors with 36 games bowled on the pair.
Also have they started allowing practice time in the minors? I applaud this if they have.
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ROTFLMAO! This is an annual post = someone notices a score or two and thinks they are higher this year. You can't tell ANYTHING substantial about scores until a few weeks have gone by.
I agree! It's kind of like a NASCAR race finishing the first lap.
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Riggs, You have a blog? ;D
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If you guys would just read my blog, you would not have to ask these questions!
The 11th Frame: The scoop on Kegel's new 'Ice' oil that will be used at the USBC Open Championships
(also includes the practice time for minors)
http://11thframe.com/page/blog_id_5691
Thanks for the insight here, though it has me asking a couple of questions that you nor anyone here may not have the answers to yet. From your blog:
Applying the theorem of minus 31, you would want your ball to exit the pattern around 10-board on the team pattern and 8-board on the minors pattern.
We're thinking alike here. I was applying that, and got the same numbers. However, Applying Mo's breakpoint formula, if I take the corner of the highest red bar and subtract 3, that should get me the breakpoint for the shot. That for Team, the highest corner is 12, putting 9 being the breakpoint. For minors, the highest corner is 14, giving us the breakpoint at 11. That's 1 board difference for team, and 3 for minors.
So I'm trying to figure out which formula applies best to this pattern.
But there isn't going to be hold there to enable you to go at the pocket.
So does this mean that there will not be a track area to play to get to the pocket? If so, then we are all going to need to be well inside the boards mentioned at the end of the pattern, which favour's Mo's formula.. But wouldn't that lead to weak hits and flat corners due to lack of entry angle?
Or am I just thinking too damn much? :o ???
Thoughts?
BL.
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Brad,
Are you thinking that the exit point of the oil pattern and the breakpoint are the same?
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Brad,
Are you thinking that the exit point of the oil pattern and the breakpoint are the same?
Good question.. Not at all. But shouldn't the breakpoint be further out than the exit point of the pattern? That's what has me a bit confused there.
BL.
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Brad,
Are you thinking that the exit point of the oil pattern and the breakpoint are the same?
Good question.. Not at all. But shouldn't the breakpoint be further out than the exit point of the pattern? That's what has me a bit confused there.
BL.
I'm no expert, but that is what I think too. The BP should be further down the lane than the exit point.
On the sport patterns that I have played, usually the shorter patterns I had more success playing further right. So that would fit in with what you are saying for the shorter 39 pattern. Exit oil at 8 and BP at 11 if you are standing further right with a slight angle in towards the left (for a RH).
On the longer oil patterns being a RH, generally I had to play those further left. So I guess you could exit the oil at 11 and slightly angle or swing it out to 10 at the BP.
I don't know if this is correct but it seems to fit what you posted earlier. Also, usually these formulas are a suggested starting point to get you in the general area. Move as you need to. I am not sure if these two formulas are supposed to fit together. Each on their own will get you to the best area to play that pattern.
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I've tought long and hard on whether to respond to this.
This will be my 27th nationals. I know full well how the process tends to go.
While I didn't keep a log. I believe it was at least a month into the tournament last year before a team shot 3000. This year in the first 3 or 4 days there have been at least 3 teams that have.
If only one team had done this I would shrug it off. 3 teams in the first week where they had little opportunity to learn the pattern seems significant. But only time will tell.
ROTFLMAO! This is an annual post = someone notices a score or two and thinks they are higher this year. You can't tell ANYTHING substantial about scores until a few weeks have gone by.
I know it is early but seems to me that scores are a little higher early this year. I don't remember a 2000 all events after 3 or 4 days last year and they already have a couple of 3000+ in team event.
While I don't have a problem with different patterns for team versus minors I find it interesting that the heavier pattern seems to be in the team event where 30 games will be bowled on a pair versus the minors with 36 games bowled on the pair.
Also have they started allowing practice time in the minors? I applaud this if they have.
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Don't have time to debate all this - my thoughts will as always be available on my blog.
But here are some facts from last year 2 weeks into the tournament:
3/2/12 -- The 11th Frame: How tough is the Open Championships condition?
http://www.11thframe.com/page/blog_id_4885_grp_-1
Another team on the Thursday 2:30 p.m. squad, Legend of Dung Ho of Cerritos, Calif., did take the team lead with 3,088. Michael Tucker, the 1992 all-events champion, led the team with a 648, according to the release.
Then on Friday they grabbed the team all-events lead with 9,666, while Ryan Whitney of Richardson,Texas, took the lead in doubles, singles and all-events, USBC reported.
Here is the news release on Whitney, a no-thumber who fired sets of 631 in team, 766 in doubles and 773 in singles to total 2,170 all-events. Partner Chris Hans added 654 as they totaled 1,420 in doubles.
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The Chicken Little wailing is an annual event at the tournament by people who don't bother to check the numbers.
And FYI, exit point and breakpoint are not the same unless you are going dead straight up the lane.
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I bowled March 9-10. I also watched the Fusion team that shot 3009 bowl since I know a couple guys on that team. Another guy on our team watched the current team leaders and the guys leading doubles bowled a couple pairs away from us. Based on what I saw and experienced my thought is the cash line will be somewhere between what it took in 2012 and 2011 - http://www.bowl.com/Open_Championships/Other_Information/Low_To_Cash/ (http://www.bowl.com/Open_Championships/Other_Information/Low_To_Cash/). I'd be surprised if the cash line scores were higher than 2011. But again it's too early to really say for sure.
I will say what the USBC video said is fairly accurate about both shots. I thought team played very similar to 2011 but I'm not convinced scores will be as high overall. I could see an elite team shooting just as high or higher than 2011 just because ICE does not break down as fast and I was able to make smaller moves. IMO ICE is very nice but it can bite you in the @#$@ too - more on that later. The Fusion team was playing around 8-9 to start. They also gave away about 100 pins in single pin spares so they could've had a really decent set. As with any year, ball choice depended on ball speed/rev rate matchup for your game. I didn't see any "one" ball, a fairly large variety, anything medium to heavy oil.
Doubles and singles to me played similar to Baton Rouge but was a little smoother reaction, remember it's fresh so think team from BR to start. With the lower volume it did break down but still at a slower rate than BR. I had to move left further than I did in team event but not as far in as I did in S/D in BR(9:00am squad in BR).
I'm assuming ICE is what made the shots hold up much better than what I'd typically expect at Nationals. Because of that I think it's even more important to play as a team in both events - longer to break in the shot but once you do it could be really good. The flip side is if you get on a pair in minors with someone not from your group. In minors we had 2 classified bowlers on our pair. We went in with a game plan to break it down around 6 and it worked great for the first two games. My doubles partner and I were on pace for 1250+(+35-40 after 2) but the third game the classified guys who were playing inside of us pushed the oil to our breakpoint and we got no reaction - I don't think it was carry down from what we were doing because I didn't see the same thing happen in team or at the Bowlers Journal, both on fresh oil. We ended up shooting 1172 which was kind of disappointing. Once that happened there was no getting that shot back and we were forced to play inside of the two classified guys and start over with breaking down a new line.
I don't blame the classified guys, it was just the luck of the draw. I think the lesson it shows is teamwork is key. Even if you have a couple guys not on the same page it probably will have a larger negative effect this year. Knowing what I do now I would've tried to play left of the classified guys from the start and fed it into the part of the lane they were playing.