Post by: riggs on April 09, 2011, 10:53:33 PM
Wow. How do ya think brackets were on this squad?!!!
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Post by: Bowl_Freak on April 10, 2011, 08:22:10 AM
Those are some numbers but those numbers are from teams that you expect to put up numbers on that shot. All scratch bowlers and some PBA members. Nice shooting guys!!!
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Post by: charlest on April 10, 2011, 01:31:31 PM
Sounds like the numbers a PBA touring member team would put up on a house shot.
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Post by: riggs on April 11, 2011, 05:44:08 AM
Cambridge 1 took the team all-events lead with 10,023.
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Post by: dballz on April 11, 2011, 07:18:17 AM
Riggs, that was a great blog you posted. one question: when you had your practice session, what balls were you using that worked well for you? i know you drilled up a couple nano's and was curious if the 6" or 4 1/2" pin ball was working better, or if you felt symmetrical was the way to go?
thanks again for all of your great coverage on this tourney!
Post by: Tex on April 11, 2011, 07:09:51 PM
Paul Fleming's team moved into 5th with a 3265 as well. Had a couple other guys we all know on there with him; Rick Steelsmith and Justin Hromek. Anxious to talk to Paul and see what they did as a team. We are going to try and get together to start my work towards my trip in June in a couple weeks.
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Post by: tywithay on April 11, 2011, 07:58:33 PM
I'll have to talk to Justin on friday and find out what he was throwing; he's my pro shop guy. Those are truly some great scores from everybody. Glad I wasn't bowling that squad or all my bracket money would have been donated...
Post by: bass on April 11, 2011, 08:26:54 PM
I was on that squad that night.
Was definitely interesting to say the least.
My team was 4th high on the squad I believe with a solid 3037.
We put together 3 games right around 1000 and never stood a chance.
That was some definite bracket busting.
After it was over I talked with Jace Peterson(former touring roommate of mine) and Shannon O'Keefe we all agreed we need to move to different squads to alleviate what happened to us.
Don Genalo had a team on that squad also.
Personally I put in only $200 shot a 189-277-210 and got back $250.
Lots of grumbling going on.
Bracket action the next day was diminished I am sure because of what happened the night before.
On a sad side note.
A lady had a NASTY tumble during team event right before we were scheduled to bowl dbls and singles.
Had a shoe cover on(must have forgotten about it after a potty break).
She landed face first on to the lane.
There was no movement out of her for over 20 minutes.
Paramedics had to be called in to help remove her.
I haven't heard how she turned out but it was the scariest thing I have ever seen inside a bowling center ever.
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Post by: riggs on April 12, 2011, 06:03:33 AM
Several nuggets got to the pocket consistently. VIRTUAL ENERGY pin up strong at 2,000 actually struck the most. But I was not real happy with anything I had -- wet was too wet and dry was too dry after just a little bit of bowling.
Thinking a new RICO HY-ROAD or REIGN SUPREME (hybrid) at 2,000 may give me a better look. Going back up to Satan's place on April 29 for another run at it.
Doesn't appear that the challenge this year is so much getting to the pocket as it is getting to the pocket properly with ball and release choices critical.
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Post by: DrBob806 on April 12, 2011, 12:53:42 PM
Great shooting, congrats to those teams. Team event is my weakest one, and I know it's not because of a lack of info, lol. You do a great job (as do others) of reporting on the Nationals.
Just my two cents....brackets are slowly killing bowling. Yes, you may choose not to play in them, but sometimes that's all I hear about after USBCs or even local leagues....I would much rather focus on the glory than the $$ in sidepots.
Post by: bowl400 on April 12, 2011, 01:02:28 PM
Without the revenue from brackets, how many tournament organizations can afford to run a tournament? As a tournament organizer, I can tell you that there often times, substantial costs to running any tournament. If one cannot expect to at least break even, why do it? At least here in Northern California, I know that tournament action seems to be on the upswing. I know darn well that the organizers are not doing it for altruistic reasons. Just my normal 2 cents worth of opinion.
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Post by: storm making it rain on April 13, 2011, 06:53:48 AM
How are brackets responsible for killing bowling exactly? I could name 20 reasons bowling is getting killed and brackets aren't even close to being one of them.
Like you stated, no ones forcing you to bowl brackets in league, in a tournament, or at nationals. Brackets add another dynamic to league or tournament bowling in my opinion. Hell I made $650 from the Nationals last year from the actual events, but made $1700 in brackets.
Post by: DrBob806 on April 13, 2011, 08:54:59 AM
Well, I guess my wording is wrong. "Killing" is too strong, as I agree with you, there are larger issues affecting bowling besides brackets.
My point is at times, not always, focus is on brackets instead of glory. It can pit teammates against each other, and promotes individualism over team.
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on April 13, 2011, 09:07:36 AM
That's why teams "pool" their money together and purchase shares for brackets. That way a teammate vs. teammate matchup will not result in any ill will.
As bass was our team captain, I was also there for that squad on their right-handed companion team. There was no room for the feint of heart that squad if you were relying on bracket money to pay for your trip.
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Post by: riggs on April 13, 2011, 09:57:19 AM
Which is why our 10 guys split our bracket money 10 ways. Then the focus is on performing your best. Period.
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Post by: Rockbowler on April 21, 2011, 04:47:43 PM
Riggs said: "
Thinking a new RICO HY-ROAD or REIGN SUPREME (hybrid) at 2,000 may give me a better look. Going back up to Satan's place on April 29 for another run at it. "
Can you actually have another try at it? I thought you can only bowl once in the USBC Nationals?
Post by: r534me on April 21, 2011, 06:12:30 PM
I believe Riggs will be practicing on the surface. He's not scheduled to bowl until late May.
Post by: riggs on April 22, 2011, 06:23:57 AM
Sorry for the confusion ... we're PRACTICING again on the USBC OC pattern at Steve Richter's center on the 29th. We bowl in Reno May 20-21.
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Post by: Yanker on April 22, 2011, 08:53:20 AM
I'm disappointed that the scores are so high. How much longer will the average bowlers continue to support the professional amateurs? With the new bowling balls, and the better education available, even the "sport" shot breaks down to a "very playable" condition now. I am afraid entries will suffer, as well as brackets, because of the scoring pace that can be had now at Nationals.
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Post by: DrBob806 on April 22, 2011, 09:38:41 AM
Scoring pace always seems to be somewhat controversial, but it stands to reason scores will increase.
There is much information on playing the lanes, lane oil patterns, and equipment, to name a few factors. This web site has plenty of info on those subjects. Throw in some talent, and good practice habits, and scores increase.
It doesn't mean we can all achieve phenomenal results, but we can all read the info, talk to those who have competed, and go in with a game plan...then, all we have to do is execute (sounds easy, lol).
Post by: Sikfish on April 22, 2011, 09:59:36 AM
these numbers are, in all, bad for the sport. They are more harmful for the open IMHO. The whole idea of the open was that the shot was hard, you worked for your scores and got what you got....now, the numbers that are being shot are by people we expect them from, but this high....the "x" factor = lane pattern. I was one that Riggs called a chicken little in a ref on one of his FB posts about 3500 in team.....it's coming, and its gonna happen.....and probably it will be riggs' group if they stick to their plan......IMHO. There has already been one team that was +443 after 2 games and lost it the last game.....but 3500 was there, in front of them, they just missed it. Jeff, if your group is +440 after 2....the 3500 will be posted, because you guys won't miss it.
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Post by: riggs on April 23, 2011, 03:08:31 AM
Brian, if we have 440 over after 2 I would wager we will get to 3,500.
But NO TEAM has had 440 over after 2 this year. The most so far is 354 over after 2. Check results here:
There has NEVER been a 3,500 since the tournament went to all fresh oil for team event. 3,496 in 2006 is high and that was when the gutter was open to start.
COULD it happen? Of course. Would I bet on it? I'd bet AGAINST it.
My Chicken Little was aimed at those who predicted 3,500, 1,600, 860 and 2,300 after one week of this year's tournament. FYI: leading scores right now are 3,439, 1,447(!), 826, 2,268.
I waited to make some predictions in my blog until about a month had been bowled and mine are looking much more reasonable than those of the Chicken Littles.
In 2 1/2 months we will know how much the sky fell.
And, even if it does, the bigger issue by far is FRESH OIL FOR ALL SQUADS! People worried about scoring pace should direct their energy at that FAR MORE IMPORTANT ISSUE!!!!
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Post by: nutsforbowling on April 23, 2011, 05:37:38 AM
Now I'm really excited. I bowl May 21-22, so I can watch you guys light 'em up. Riggs, what are your squad times? I'm just glad that you are not bowling on MY squad.
i say you he dead!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: riggs on April 23, 2011, 07:05:25 AM
May 20 at 8:30 p.m. and split May 21 -- Gail is part of group at 11:40 a.m. and me, Richter, Shades and Mac are at 5:30 p.m.
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