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DanH78

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ABC Lane Condition Link
« on: February 11, 2005, 12:20:31 AM »
Well, they posted the graph.  Under the Lane Condition link it says details will be provided just before the start of the tournament so I don't know if that means they plan on explaining the graph or what.  This doesn't do me much good because I've never been good at reading these things, so if any of you out there with more knowledge than me would like to chime in I'd like to hear about it.

http://www.bowl.com/downloads/pdf/tournaments_abc_2005pattern.pdf
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DanH78

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Re: ABC Lane Condition Link
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2005, 12:44:14 PM »
104 views and only one opinion?  At least it's a view from someone that knows his stuff.  Thanks Bob

So Bob, do you think that basically the lanes will play a little straighter than in years past and you can get away with a little stronger surface?  

I know that the graph can really only give you an idea of how the lanes might play, I just get curious as to whether the lanes play how the graph makes them look like they will play.
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Re: ABC Lane Condition Link
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2005, 12:57:27 PM »
Forward - when the machine is going toward the pin deck
Reverse - when it is coming back toward the approach
Combined - that part of the lane that is oiled on each pass (forward & reverse 'double oil')

Here is a link to various patterns that you might want to compare to (thanks to the Phantom). It includes Reno

Remember the lanes at Reno were burnt. You will have new surfaces so they should be a little slicker. Control is still the name of the game. Look for back end in team.

http://66.70.217.221/tournaments/tournaments.htm

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Re: ABC Lane Condition Link
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2005, 02:11:42 PM »
Does anybody know what's the best line to play this lane condition? I'm not sure if I'm right,but I heard that the guy who set the records in singles with 858 played around the 1st arrow all the way.
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Re: ABC Lane Condition Link
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2005, 02:25:22 PM »
I believe the bowler who set the record last year was playing very, very deep (inside 5th arrow)with a V2 Clean.
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Re: ABC Lane Condition Link
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2005, 02:30:38 PM »
Most of the high scores in years past have come from the inside line, usually 20 or deeper at the arrows.
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Re: ABC Lane Condition Link
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2005, 02:48:51 PM »
Not all of us are pros at reading graphs.

From what I understand, if you've bowled the ABC nationals in the past, you should already know what to expect.  Last year was my first time, but talking to people that have been bowling nationals for the last 30+ years, they all say that the lane conditions are pretty much the same, or reasonably close, from year to year.

To add to what Bob posted, if they are putting extra units in the heads, it could be a different type of conditioner, or it could be due to the condition of the lane surface.
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Re: ABC Lane Condition Link
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2005, 03:02:25 PM »
Let's get back to the topic at hand without drifting. Focus on mmike's comment. Oz, we know what forward and reverse means..... What effect is acheived by applying in different directions.....
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Re: ABC Lane Condition Link
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2005, 11:06:28 PM »
No effect - it's just mor efficient for the machine. The program is set up to deliver 'x' units to each area of the lane at various distances. In order to achieve the desired pattern, the machine simply applies the condition as it is moving down the lane and as it is moving back. The area of the lane where more units are required and hit each way. Otherwise, they'd have the run the machine and change the settings to deliver the appropriate amounts and length of oil.

I want to let everyone know that I DO NOT bowl well on this shot, but am working on my 10th year and know that depending on your hand, accuracy and the equipment you have, you can play various parts of the lane. However, other than Billings, inside 8 (maybe 6-7) are out of bounds unless you are dumping it at line. The team events have fresh oil and CLEAN backends so most guys stay with polished gear inside the track area and keep moving left to stay with the oil (10 guys). In D/S, only 7:30 AM is fresh.

Anyway, I'm running on. Kegel does not have the tournament this year as was pointed out but Janawicz & Forst are guys that will talk to you if you call them (I think they are both in FL). I talked to Len Nicholson (The Phantom) for about 20 minutes last year, simply by posting a question on his site, I recd a call at home!! For those who don't know him, he toured with the big boys in the late 50's - 60's and 70's. WOw, I'm done, sorry to drone on....

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Re: ABC Lane Condition Link
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2005, 11:21:37 PM »
is that a pretty easy shot or no? it seemd liek it is....
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Re: ABC Lane Condition Link
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2005, 11:56:50 PM »
it's easy if you can hit a 2 board area at the same speed each shot and can read the moves one shot ahead for 9 gamess................the guys who score are Team USA-type bowlers. Sure, you can hit 1800 if you have a good weekend and are a very good bowler. Most guys average 15/game under their THS league average.

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Re: ABC Lane Condition Link
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2005, 12:25:06 AM »
I have heard in the past that forward applications of oil are more likely to carry down as where reverse applications are going to resist carrying down and more likely to break down instead.  So, if this is true, I would think that combo would mean that it is going to do neither, but instead probably just hold up pretty well meaning it won't carry down easy nor will it break down easily, either.  I have not looked at the pattern as of yet.  But, this should help as far as what forward and reverse means.  Hope this helps.
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Re: ABC Lane Condition Link
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2005, 10:24:11 AM »
I will try to address a few of your questions, hopefully in a manner that will make it as understandable as possible.

The number "40" that you are reading in the upper right refers to the volume of conditioner in microliters that is being placed on each board from a "load."   A "load" means one application of conditioner onto the rollers that then apply the conditioner onto the lane surface.  For example, on the sheet with the numbers if you read the first line, it states 2L, 2R  6 Loads, Speed 10.  These mean that the "load" was distributed from board 2 on the left side of the lane to board 2 on the right side of the lane, and in all, there were 6 "loads" applied from 2 to 2.   The speed of 10 refers to how fast the lane machine is traveling down the lane in inches per second.  The slower the machine travels, the shorter distance is required for the conditioner "loads" to be applied to the lane surface, the faster it goes, the more spread out the conditioner is.  

"Forward" and "Reverse" oil do indeed mean the direction of the machine travel as the oil is being applied with forward going down the lane toward the pins and reverse meaning its return trip back to the foul line.  The big difference these make is in the "taper" of the pattern.  If you take a close look at the totals for forward and reverse you will see that the majority of the conditioner is applied on the "forward" travel which translates into more of the conditioner ending up further down the lane. This is typically one of the reasons the patterns at the ABC will play pretty tight.  This first page also gives you the total "volume" of conditioner listed on the right side of the page, in this case the volume is 23.96 milliliters.  That number, in and of itself, does not translate directly into "units" which is what the majority of the average bowlers are used to hearing.  The 23.96 would in most cases be classified as a medium high to high volume pattern.

The three colored graphs on the second page show the actual lane graph of "units" and how it is distributed across the lane.  I would agree, roughly, with one of the replies above in that the yellow graph was probably taken around 12 feet, the next one probably in the 20-25 foot range and the last one was likely taken at 36 feet, two feet before the end of the conditioner.  The shape would be that of a typical "Sport" pattern with a slight crown in the middle tapering down to pretty flat at the end of the pattern.  This type of pattern is what makes a shot like this tougher, there is no free miss room or "dry boards" on the outside that most all "house" shots have.  On a pattern like this, you MUST hit your line, from laydown to target to breakpoint to get the desired reaction.  You miss in the ball will go left, you miss out the ball will miss the headpin right, etc.

Hope this helps out some, keep in mind that this pattern is for a FRESH shot and will change very quickly once there is bowling on it so when reading a graph you need to be very careful what you read into it.  

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 This may help.I copied this off the ABC forum.One of the clearest and most informative explainations I've seen.

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Re: ABC Lane Condition Link
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2005, 11:21:22 AM »
Thanks rackattack.

The beauty of this graph, well actually, the table, is that any house that has a Kegal machine can copy all the figures from the table and reproduce a similar shot at your house. Obviously you will never be able to duplicate the same shot because of different lane surface/oil/lane cleaner etc.....

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The 23.96 would in most cases be classified as a medium high to high volume pattern


The heaviest that I ever bowled on at a tournament is 26ml, and even that is not true heavy oil. I used a Ultimate Inferno at that time, and players with higher revs were using balls like the Intense Inferno....... For comparison, PBA Pattern B2 in 03-04 has 24.98ml of oil....... A lot of it depends on how clean the backend is...... it's been well over a year since I last used my Swamp Monster.......  and the centre that I used to work, we only put down 15ml of oil on each lane. On edit, even so, we still see guys using Super Soaker Particle balls, God only knows why

Never bowled on ABC Pattern before (shame that we don't have a Kegal machine, we have an old AMF Centry...), so I won't comment on how the pattern should be played. The funny thing is that I can use my machine to build a 'Super wall', so even a medium hand guy like me can make the ball turn like Robert Smith's! And if I'm really evil, I can build a reverse block on the left side and a super wall on the right so no more easy lefties..... ooopppps, did I say that out loud?!? Is this thing on?

My 2 cents?  Head oil? Good. Clean backend? Good. The rest is just relative.

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Re: ABC Lane Condition Link
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2005, 05:41:48 AM »
Great description by RACK and good comments by Charlie. This should play as a medium oil shot early. Once the resins and particles do their job, who knows.