Post by: DanH78 on February 11, 2005, 12:20:31 AM
http://www.bowl.com/downloads/pdf/tournaments_abc_2005pattern.pdf
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Post by: DanH78 on February 11, 2005, 12:44:14 PM
So Bob, do you think that basically the lanes will play a little straighter than in years past and you can get away with a little stronger surface?
I know that the graph can really only give you an idea of how the lanes might play, I just get curious as to whether the lanes play how the graph makes them look like they will play.
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Post by: ozsweet on February 11, 2005, 12:57:27 PM
Reverse - when it is coming back toward the approach
Combined - that part of the lane that is oiled on each pass (forward & reverse 'double oil')
Here is a link to various patterns that you might want to compare to (thanks to the Phantom). It includes Reno
Remember the lanes at Reno were burnt. You will have new surfaces so they should be a little slicker. Control is still the name of the game. Look for back end in team.
http://66.70.217.221/tournaments/tournaments.htm
Post by: Triple X on February 11, 2005, 02:11:42 PM
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Post by: Krumpy300 on February 11, 2005, 02:25:22 PM
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Repetition is everything..
Post by: DanH78 on February 11, 2005, 02:30:38 PM
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Post by: janderson on February 11, 2005, 02:48:51 PM
From what I understand, if you've bowled the ABC nationals in the past, you should already know what to expect. Last year was my first time, but talking to people that have been bowling nationals for the last 30+ years, they all say that the lane conditions are pretty much the same, or reasonably close, from year to year.
To add to what Bob posted, if they are putting extra units in the heads, it could be a different type of conditioner, or it could be due to the condition of the lane surface.
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Post by: lefty50 on February 11, 2005, 03:02:25 PM
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Post by: ozsweet on February 11, 2005, 11:06:28 PM
I want to let everyone know that I DO NOT bowl well on this shot, but am working on my 10th year and know that depending on your hand, accuracy and the equipment you have, you can play various parts of the lane. However, other than Billings, inside 8 (maybe 6-7) are out of bounds unless you are dumping it at line. The team events have fresh oil and CLEAN backends so most guys stay with polished gear inside the track area and keep moving left to stay with the oil (10 guys). In D/S, only 7:30 AM is fresh.
Anyway, I'm running on. Kegel does not have the tournament this year as was pointed out but Janawicz & Forst are guys that will talk to you if you call them (I think they are both in FL). I talked to Len Nicholson (The Phantom) for about 20 minutes last year, simply by posting a question on his site, I recd a call at home!! For those who don't know him, he toured with the big boys in the late 50's - 60's and 70's. WOw, I'm done, sorry to drone on....
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on February 12, 2005, 12:25:06 AM
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Post by: rackattack on February 12, 2005, 10:24:11 AM
The number "40" that you are reading in the upper right refers to the volume of conditioner in microliters that is being placed on each board from a "load." A "load" means one application of conditioner onto the rollers that then apply the conditioner onto the lane surface. For example, on the sheet with the numbers if you read the first line, it states 2L, 2R 6 Loads, Speed 10. These mean that the "load" was distributed from board 2 on the left side of the lane to board 2 on the right side of the lane, and in all, there were 6 "loads" applied from 2 to 2. The speed of 10 refers to how fast the lane machine is traveling down the lane in inches per second. The slower the machine travels, the shorter distance is required for the conditioner "loads" to be applied to the lane surface, the faster it goes, the more spread out the conditioner is.
"Forward" and "Reverse" oil do indeed mean the direction of the machine travel as the oil is being applied with forward going down the lane toward the pins and reverse meaning its return trip back to the foul line. The big difference these make is in the "taper" of the pattern. If you take a close look at the totals for forward and reverse you will see that the majority of the conditioner is applied on the "forward" travel which translates into more of the conditioner ending up further down the lane. This is typically one of the reasons the patterns at the ABC will play pretty tight. This first page also gives you the total "volume" of conditioner listed on the right side of the page, in this case the volume is 23.96 milliliters. That number, in and of itself, does not translate directly into "units" which is what the majority of the average bowlers are used to hearing. The 23.96 would in most cases be classified as a medium high to high volume pattern.
The three colored graphs on the second page show the actual lane graph of "units" and how it is distributed across the lane. I would agree, roughly, with one of the replies above in that the yellow graph was probably taken around 12 feet, the next one probably in the 20-25 foot range and the last one was likely taken at 36 feet, two feet before the end of the conditioner. The shape would be that of a typical "Sport" pattern with a slight crown in the middle tapering down to pretty flat at the end of the pattern. This type of pattern is what makes a shot like this tougher, there is no free miss room or "dry boards" on the outside that most all "house" shots have. On a pattern like this, you MUST hit your line, from laydown to target to breakpoint to get the desired reaction. You miss in the ball will go left, you miss out the ball will miss the headpin right, etc.
Hope this helps out some, keep in mind that this pattern is for a FRESH shot and will change very quickly once there is bowling on it so when reading a graph you need to be very careful what you read into it.
Gary Sparks
Asst. Prof. Bowling Industry Management
Vincennes University
This may help.I copied this off the ABC forum.One of the clearest and most informative explainations I've seen.
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Post by: CharlieBrown on February 12, 2005, 11:21:22 AM
The beauty of this graph, well actually, the table, is that any house that has a Kegal machine can copy all the figures from the table and reproduce a similar shot at your house. Obviously you will never be able to duplicate the same shot because of different lane surface/oil/lane cleaner etc.....
Mr Sparks wrote
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The 23.96 would in most cases be classified as a medium high to high volume pattern
The heaviest that I ever bowled on at a tournament is 26ml, and even that is not true heavy oil. I used a Ultimate Inferno at that time, and players with higher revs were using balls like the Intense Inferno....... For comparison, PBA Pattern B2 in 03-04 has 24.98ml of oil....... A lot of it depends on how clean the backend is...... it's been well over a year since I last used my Swamp Monster....... and the centre that I used to work, we only put down 15ml of oil on each lane. On edit, even so, we still see guys using Super Soaker Particle balls, God only knows why
Never bowled on ABC Pattern before (shame that we don't have a Kegal machine, we have an old AMF Centry...), so I won't comment on how the pattern should be played. The funny thing is that I can use my machine to build a 'Super wall', so even a medium hand guy like me can make the ball turn like Robert Smith's! And if I'm really evil, I can build a reverse block on the left side and a super wall on the right so no more easy lefties..... ooopppps, did I say that out loud?!?
Is this thing on?My 2 cents? Head oil? Good. Clean backend? Good. The rest is just relative.
Blah blah blah...
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Post by: ozsweet on February 13, 2005, 05:41:48 AM
Post by: LuvThatWhiteDot on February 13, 2005, 06:21:36 AM
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Great description by RACK and good comments by Charlie. This should play as a medium oil shot early. Once the resins and particles do their job, who knows.
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Post by: KDawg77 on February 14, 2005, 09:31:12 AM
Post by: KDawg77 on February 14, 2005, 10:34:32 AM
Post by: DanH78 on February 14, 2005, 10:50:04 AM
At least the people that know what they're talking about didn't question me.
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Post by: KDawg77 on February 14, 2005, 12:00:15 PM
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Post by: ozsweet on February 14, 2005, 02:08:39 PM
Post by: ozsweet on February 16, 2005, 08:03:37 PM
Brunswick supplied four Sanction Standard Elites for the tournament. Absolute Control Lane Conditioner, Invincible Lane Cleaner, and Gold Edge Lane Cloth are the supplies being used. The pattern is pretty much sport compliant 36'=1.5:1; 25'=1.7:1; & 15'=2.2:1. The lengthwise taper of the pattern is 4:1 providing very smooth and predictable ball reaction making adjustments more logical. Total pattern volume is 23.96 ml. The Prolane approaches are textured and very consistent, which any bowler should know, will aid in making more consistent shots.
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Post by: just joe on February 18, 2005, 01:34:38 PM
Late shift 8:00 pm doubles and singles lanes did open up. Moved deep inside for singles, managed 30 closed 667, not in the pot. Took 2 balls for the trip. If I were going again I would add a low flare dry lane ball to attempt playing the mid portion of the lane and spare shooting. Good luck to all.
Post by: KDawg77 on February 18, 2005, 01:38:58 PM
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K-Dawg, the link IS from Bowl.com.
Mike
Yeah, thanks.....I can read. Please note that even though Dan posted it doesn't mean I saw it on bowl.com AFTER I saw his link. Gee, timing is funny that way isn't it.
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Post by: DanH78 on February 18, 2005, 10:52:35 PM
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The clock on the wall says 3 O'Clock...last call...for Alcohol!
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Post by: NOTHUMB on February 19, 2005, 04:34:32 AM
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Post by: ozsweet on February 19, 2005, 05:01:39 AM
TALK ABOUT HITTING THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.............
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Post by: KDawg77 on February 24, 2005, 07:06:26 AM
Sorry you took it so sensitively. I think "spending all day on the computer" is getting to you. I didn't know that you were so touchy, and since I don't know you, how was I suppose to know your weren't swerving us.