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Accomplished Bowler but NATS rookie. HELP!
« on: February 03, 2014, 11:04:37 PM »
I'm a left handed bowler who averages right around 230 on THS. I've also had great success in local tournaments over the last few years. Due to having 2 sets of twins 6 and 3 years ago respectively, Nationals has not been an option for me. I've always wanted to bowl at the stadium and I got permission to go this year. I watch guys online and have a vague game plan going in, in regards to what part of the lane I want to try to play. Here's my conundrum. I have a decent arsenal of equipment for a house shot. Most of my balls are drilled pin up, right above the bridge cg in the palm. I have more revs than most lefties i know so that layout gets the ball down the lane and makes a strong move in the back end.  I'm afraid that reaction will be hard to control on the NATS patterns. I've considered getting a couple matte finished balls and drilling them pin down for more control and area. I just don't have the OPEN CHAMPIONSHIP experience  to know what to expect.  Please help especially if left handed.

 

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Re: Accomplished Bowler but NATS rookie. HELP!
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2014, 11:45:03 PM »
Make sure you've got a ball or 2 with surface and prolly at least one with a hole down also. Realize you'll have less free hook as you down on THS so try & practice cleaner angles.
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Re: Accomplished Bowler but NATS rookie. HELP!
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2014, 07:52:39 AM »
I'm not sure what balls are in your current arsenal. Having that information will help a bit because you may be able to get away with simply changing the surface on some of those balls as opposed to going out and buying new stuff. Still, most bowlers don't go with too much surface. Matte-finished balls at 1000-2000 are usually about as gritty as most good bowlers go because they don't want to blow a hole in the heads. The idea for most of the better teams and bowlers is to stay straight and in one area early to try to create some hook out and some hold in. When done properly, the shot can actually play pretty easy. When not done properly, the shot can be almost impossible because you'll have alternating spots of hook and wiggle. Again though, being a lefty, your situation could be very, very different. I guess my best advice would be to try to bowl on any Sport patterns you can find between now and then. Also, as JustRico said, because there isn't usually much in the way of free recovery at Nationals, it wouldn't be a bad idea to practice going more with the wood. I know that's something that I need to practice every year before going because my house shot is the typical stand left, throw right. Lastly, spares, spares, spares. You're likely to be shooting a lot more spares per game than you're used to, and they're likely to be multi-pin combos as opposed to nothing but single pins. I recommend going straight as much as possible. You'll also probably notice that the ball gets down the lane (even on spares) much quicker than you're used to. As such, be wary of spares like the 2-4 and 2-4-7 because it's really easy to give away the 2-pin with the slicker conditioner they use. Other than that, have fun, and try not to get caught up in the atmosphere. At the end of the day, it's still just bowling!

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Re: Accomplished Bowler but NATS rookie. HELP!
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2014, 11:43:13 AM »
I'm not sure what balls are in your current arsenal. Having that information will help a bit because you may be able to get away with simply changing the surface on some of those balls as opposed to going out and buying new stuff. Still, most bowlers don't go with too much surface. Matte-finished balls at 1000-2000 are usually about as gritty as most good bowlers go because they don't want to blow a hole in the heads. The idea for most of the better teams and bowlers is to stay straight and in one area early to try to create some hook out and some hold in. When done properly, the shot can actually play pretty easy. When not done properly, the shot can be almost impossible because you'll have alternating spots of hook and wiggle. Again though, being a lefty, your situation could be very, very different. I guess my best advice would be to try to bowl on any Sport patterns you can find between now and then. Also, as JustRico said, because there isn't usually much in the way of free recovery at Nationals, it wouldn't be a bad idea to practice going more with the wood. I know that's something that I need to practice every year before going because my house shot is the typical stand left, throw right. Lastly, spares, spares, spares. You're likely to be shooting a lot more spares per game than you're used to, and they're likely to be multi-pin combos as opposed to nothing but single pins. I recommend going straight as much as possible. You'll also probably notice that the ball gets down the lane (even on spares) much quicker than you're used to. As such, be wary of spares like the 2-4 and 2-4-7 because it's really easy to give away the 2-pin with the slicker conditioner they use. Other than that, have fun, and try not to get caught up in the atmosphere. At the end of the day, it's still just bowling!


Here's my current Arsenal (strong to weak)

Storm Modern Marvel (pin up)
Ebonite Pursuit S  (pin up)
Storm Victory Road Pearl (pin up)
DV8 Reckless (pin down and out)
Hammer Blue Vibe (pin down and out)  oldy but goodie
Hammer Cherry Vibe (pin down and out)  still kills THS
Storm Reign (pin down and out) 

With the exception of the DV8 ball and the blue vibe, most of these balls focus on backend moves.  I just don't think that is going to be the answer.

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Re: Accomplished Bowler but NATS rookie. HELP!
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2014, 01:37:13 PM »
Modern Marvel is my benchmark ball. I keep it at a fresh 2000 surface, and it does very well as the first ball out of the bag for me. I really liked the look I had when I eventually went to it out there last year; however, if you think it will be too flippy, that Blue Vibe could be just what the doctor ordered as a starting point. That's one of the smoothest, most-predictable balls Hammer had for a long while there. I know some of the others, but not all of them since I have mainly thrown Storm/Roto for a while. To give you something to compare to, if they're supposed to play anything like last year, here's what I would plan to bring:

Endless Nightmare (1000 plus polish)
Lucid (2000 matte)
Modern Marvel (2000 matte)
Frantic (1500 polished)
IQ Tour Pearl (lightly scuffed 2000)
Spare ball

I don't go until late April, so I have some time to adjust as needed.

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Re: Accomplished Bowler but NATS rookie. HELP!
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2014, 01:55:53 PM »
I found that for me....righty, 350 revs, 16-17 mph, 26 tilt and 45 rotation, that mid level solids with 2000/3000 work best. I have done well out there with my trusty old Nomad Solid at 3000 drilled pin under with 4 inch pin to pap...that ball has brought me a 250+ game each year Ive gone (3 yrs).
I'm planning on taking Disturbed( pin down), Nomad(pin down), Asylum(pin up) and Lights Out(pin down) unless they put out something with volume than I may change it up....but even rolling balls and layouts for me have done better out there for me
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Re: Accomplished Bowler but NATS rookie. HELP!
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2014, 04:02:58 PM »
Ask your center if they can put down a similar shot for you and others to practice?  We used to have our house put the US Open pattern down and different sport shot patterns down just to get a feel.  Whats good is you can usually get a lot of people to come on a saturday or sunday morning to see how the lane transititions.

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Re: Accomplished Bowler but NATS rookie. HELP!
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2014, 05:28:55 PM »
Spares are every thing. If you hook into spares this will be a bad experience.  If you throw plastic straight at spares then continue to focus on doing that. To get a feel for the condition use a plastic ball for strikes or a pancake weight block urethane ball. It will help with the kind of area you will have to play on at nationals.

Spares are money.
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Re: Accomplished Bowler but NATS rookie. HELP!
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2014, 05:45:09 PM »
As I stated, you will see less free hook on the Natls lane than you will anywhere else...you need the ball to read sooner and less playing the back part of the lane as you do on a THS...you do this and you will be shooting a lot 3-7-9's. You need balls that will react or respond more in the 35-45" range instead of waiting for it to go right around 40-45' range...5' is a big difference   
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Re: Accomplished Bowler but NATS rookie. HELP!
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2014, 06:16:07 PM »
As a lefty that sounds like I have similar basic stats and has bowled Natl's for the past 7 seven years and 9 total here is my take.  Early on I took to much equipment, just bc I own it.  Now I try to cut it to 4 (and a plastic) being a pin up and pin down both solids and pearls. With 2 patterns last year, I used all 4. My belief as a lefty is to be as straight as you can through the front with control on the back

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Re: Accomplished Bowler but NATS rookie. HELP!
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2014, 06:27:59 PM »
Wait until the pattern is released before you buy a ball. In Baton Rouge, there was a good bit of friction. The years prior to Baton Rouge, in Reno and Vegas, there was very little unless your team created it.

Last year, the Doubles/Singles pattern had a much different look than the Team pattern. So save your money until you have some idea of what you will be facing.

One thing you can count on though, your big hooking ball up the 10 board ain't gonna lead you to the promised land.

I agree with Kidlost, spares are key.
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Re: Accomplished Bowler but NATS rookie. HELP!
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2014, 07:23:24 AM »
I found that for me....righty, 350 revs, 16-17 mph, 26 tilt and 45 rotation, that mid level solids with 2000/3000 work best. I have done well out there with my trusty old Nomad Solid at 3000 drilled pin under with 4 inch pin to pap...that ball has brought me a 250+ game each year Ive gone (3 yrs).
I'm planning on taking Disturbed( pin down), Nomad(pin down), Asylum(pin up) and Lights Out(pin down) unless they put out something with volume than I may change it up....but even rolling balls and layouts for me have done better out there for me



O.k.  I'm seeing 3 out of your 4 balls being drilled pin down.  Do you find it easier to control the pocket that way, or do you typically do o.k. finding the pocket but get increased carry with pin down equipment?  Or, a little of both?

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Re: Accomplished Bowler but NATS rookie. HELP!
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2014, 09:10:41 AM »
I think it depends on how you roll the ball.  I tend to get into an early roll anyway, so I need pin up stuff.  Pin down is hooking the second I set it down for me.  general advice here is great (I think), but you have to know your game too and how the general rules of thumb apply to you.
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Re: Accomplished Bowler but NATS rookie. HELP!
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2014, 09:45:24 AM »
I found that for me....righty, 350 revs, 16-17 mph, 26 tilt and 45 rotation, that mid level solids with 2000/3000 work best. I have done well out there with my trusty old Nomad Solid at 3000 drilled pin under with 4 inch pin to pap...that ball has brought me a 250+ game each year Ive gone (3 yrs).
I'm planning on taking Disturbed( pin down), Nomad(pin down), Asylum(pin up) and Lights Out(pin down) unless they put out something with volume than I may change it up....but even rolling balls and layouts for me have done better out there for me



O.k.  I'm seeing 3 out of your 4 balls being drilled pin down.  Do you find it easier to control the pocket that way, or do you typically do o.k. finding the pocket but get increased carry with pin down equipment?  Or, a little of both?

Im higher tilt, so I  need earlier reading, smoother transition or things get very jumpy on me. Regardless of your style, you need more even reacting balls at USBC.....
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Re: Accomplished Bowler but NATS rookie. HELP!
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2014, 09:57:20 AM »
Since it's your first Nationals, you're going to be excited. I think you will be fine if you can channel that excitement into concentration. Nobody's written it yet, so i will...lefties have an edge at the Stadium, I think you'll be fine.

I would just take 4 balls, and get a chance to book a practice session. Your 230 house shot average shows you have skills, just keep your goals modest, like shooting 1800 and enjoy the experience.