Post by: riggs on February 17, 2010, 09:16:18 AM
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Post by: charlest on February 17, 2010, 06:09:20 PM
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Post by: storm making it rain on February 17, 2010, 06:14:16 PM
Post by: shipper50 on February 17, 2010, 06:14:25 PM
Next it will be hats and shorts.........
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Post by: storm making it rain on February 17, 2010, 06:18:50 PM
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plus tournament fees being so expensive
not to start a rant but the tourney fees arent very expensive..what is it $105 for the 3 events plus all events entry??
alot if not most leagues (in my area) are $25 +/- a night for league play.
Post by: notsohotshot on February 17, 2010, 07:12:29 PM
Post by: nospareball on February 17, 2010, 07:40:21 PM
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Post by: stealth on February 17, 2010, 08:10:50 PM
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In my opinion,it is that you lump everyone with an average above 18? in the same pool competing for the same lump of prize money. How is that make for a fair tourney? That puts a 190 avg house bowler competeing against all the regional and touring pros as well as all the other high roller bowlers etc in the whole US. Now you are letting all the top women in the mix and there is no way that your avg Joe can compete and share in any of the winnings unless he happens to match up quite well with the patterns that are put out.That in a way makes it even worse because the avg housr bowler has not had a chance to play or practice on the tougher conditions. All avg Joe does is donate money to the prize fund and help the economy of whatever town is chosen to host the tourney. I used to LOVE bowling in Reno but it is the hardest and most expensive venue for most of the bowlers in the US. It cost me a little over $200. to fly from LR Ar last yr and will be close to $350. to Reno and they just aren't that far apart. I'll get off my soapbox now. Mike Gault
Post by: DanH78 on February 17, 2010, 09:13:14 PM
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When did they start letting touring pros bowl?
They can't
26. PROFESSIONAL BOWLERS
All USBC members are eligible to compete in the Tournament except as
follows:
a. Any USBC member who was classified as an “EXEMPT PLAYERâ€
on the PBA Tour in the previous calendar year (January 1 –
December 31, 2009) is INELIGIBLE to bowl in any of the Regular
or Classified Division events.
b. Any USBC member who was classified as an “EXEMPT PLAYERâ€
on the PBA Tour in the current calendar year (January 1, 2010
through participation date) is INELIGIBLE to bowl in any of the
Regular or Classified Division events.
c. Others who are identified as professionals or who apply for
membership in any professional organization during the calendar
year (Jan. 1 – Dec. 31, 2009) preceding the event and up through
their dates of competition shall be ELIGIBLE to bowl in the regular
division events (NOT THE CLASSIFIED DIVISION) as follows:
1) Not more than TWO such players in a five-player TEAM line-up.
2) Not more than ONE such player in a two-player DOUBLES lineup.
3) Each such player shall be eligible to enter SINGLES & ALL-EVENTS.
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Post by: DanH78 on February 17, 2010, 09:19:50 PM
I don''t understand why you can''t have camaraderie with your team mates without having a drink. There''s plenty of time to have a beer or 12 after bowling is done. I feel this is the same as the dress code issue. It started as slacks and a collared shirt. Bowlers complain, now they can wear jeans. If we can wear jeans, why not shorts? Why not ripped t-shirts? After all, it''s just "bowling."
Hey, now that we can drink, why can''t we eat? What''s the difference?
Part of why entries are down is the economy sucks, lots of people are out of work. So what happens in a couple years once the economy has fully recovered? Once you open the box, you can''t fit everything back in.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on February 17, 2010, 10:05:10 PM
Post by: whatever on February 17, 2010, 10:11:51 PM
On the other hand only say 150 teams out of the 14,000 really have a chance at winning the thing....so whatever.
Post by: strikecing on February 17, 2010, 10:17:34 PM
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Post by: JessN16 on February 17, 2010, 10:39:36 PM
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I think Its a great idea, Why should you not be allowed to drink just cause your bowling at the Nationals?
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I guess it comes down to what you want your tournament considered to be. I drink, but if you want this thing to be your national championship then it has to have an aura about it that doesn't exist anywhere else. You shouldn't be able to turn Nationals into an overgrown state tournament or weekend high-roller. Hell, state championship tournaments should be off-limits to booze when you get down to it.
I don't have a problem with alcohol, I just have a problem with bowling trying to make an argument for sporting legitimacy on one hand, then making a decision like this on the other. It's incongruent.
And it is truly all about the money. I think it's a little telling that you can't use USBC-approved ball cleaners during competition because "it's the Nationals," but you can have a highball or two while bowling and everyone's OK with that. This decision knocks a little of the shine off the tournament, IMO.
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Post by: JessN16 on February 17, 2010, 10:47:03 PM
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Your national championship is the US OPEN
Unless you want this to be the national league bowlers championship
As long as squads get done on time, and there are no fights due to alcohol abuse, this doesnt really effect or matter to the tournament
Women bowl, mixed teams bowl, little old lady teams, teams of under 100 average bowlers.
The prestige factor of this tournament was gone a long time ago. The past is over. Its not about putting the best team from your town together and bowling, like our fathers did.
OK, then ditch the scale room altogether, get rid of the dress codes, let people sand the ball in the pits if they so choose, slather E-Z-Slide all over their shoes, we'll run a 50/50 raffle for the youth bowlers and draw tickets for Strike-It-Rich and when someone rolls 279 or up, we'll get Mrs. Maudine at the counter to call out the score and we'll all clap like toy monkeys.
Either get serious about this s**t or don't. We're stuck in a big middle right now.
Jess
Post by: whatever on February 17, 2010, 10:49:51 PM
Heck we''ll have people bowling in denim torn pants, bowling in shorts and baseball caps, let''s dumb it down to the hdcp. flingers. Let''s bowl it on a walled up shot. That way everybody has a chance. Sad say in bowling but again the USBC is all about making money. Anybody think the USBC is in trouble? lol
Lay off 10% of their employees after making a dumbass move to TX.
Edited on 2/17/2010 11:50 PM
Post by: DON DRAPER on February 18, 2010, 04:59:45 AM
Post by: Phoneman on February 18, 2010, 05:36:20 AM
Post by: EagleHunter on February 18, 2010, 08:05:47 AM
As a membership organization, USBC is bleeding members and losing revenue. So from a financial aspect, assuming that USBC is going to reap the rewards of this decision, in the short term, I don't have a problem with the decision. But what are the ramifications? Will less teams decide to bowl the event because of these changes, consequently costing additional revenue rather than increasing it? This looks like a short term solution to a long term problem...and not one that was well thought out either. Of course, if USBC is NOT getting any additional revenue from this, then the decision is reprehensible.
As a NGB, this is absolutely the WORST decision USBC has EVER made (since USBC hasn't taken an official position on the lane dressing issue, I'll leave that WORST decision in the hands of ABC/WIBC...for now). How is this decision going to help keep/restore the integrity of the game? How can participants being able to consume alcohol while competing help elevate the SPORT? I mean, what happens if someone takes the lead in one of the events then, during the subsequent interview, praises the decision saying "I've never really done that well [in the tournament] before, but thanks to the recent change allowing me to drink...well, it was just like a league night at home, and I lit it up!"
USBC is trying to be both membership organization and NGB. I think it is becoming quite clear that they CANNOT do both. Perhaps USBC is trying to screw up so bad that BPAA will take over as the membership organization, leaving USBC to be the NGB. Of course, that may actually make some sense...so that cannot be what is happening.
Post by: Mvpbowler on February 18, 2010, 08:12:11 AM
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Post by: Phoneman on February 18, 2010, 08:48:43 AM
Post by: MrNattyBoh on February 18, 2010, 08:53:53 AM
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Post by: justdale on February 18, 2010, 09:08:01 AM
I think that ( and this is just my opinion) they lost all credibility when they left Wisconsin and moved to Texas ( now they have a building in Wisconsin that was worth millions of dollars and now will be lucky to salvage a couple million form it)
What have we as bowlers, which have funded USBC all these years, really get for our dollar. A chance to fund Team USA, allow for testing and training on the most highest level. Be told that " Oh you didn't recieve your USBC card this year, well you card download it from bowl.com"
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Post by: MrNattyBoh on February 18, 2010, 09:12:55 AM
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Post by: DanH78 on February 18, 2010, 09:24:18 AM
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The best news about this is you cant run to the bar to grab a few beers during bowling. A waitress will be the one running and I can guarantee that it wont be a quick trip. I bet you wont get more than 1 beer a game.
I can't find the actual release, so I don't know all the facts...but will the waitress and ONLY the waitress be allowed to bring drinks out to the lanes?
We have a diabetic on our squad, a couple years ago during bowling he felt his sugar begin to drop. He got my mom to run out to the concession area to buy him a candy bar. So what's to stop wives/gf's/other spectators from going to get everyone drinks?
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It IS next year!
Post by: Phoneman on February 18, 2010, 09:30:09 AM
Post by: DanH78 on February 18, 2010, 09:37:18 AM
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Dan technically without permission from the lane monitoring people that should not have been allowed to happen. if there is a medical need for this it has to be brought to the attention of the lane monitors. One year in Reno I tried to take a drink of my wife's soda and was scolded heavily by the lane monitor. just like needing to run to the bathroom you need to let the lane monitor know ahead of time. It is all about controls and trying to make everyone a little happier.
He got permission. He called my mom over as he found a lane monitor, told him the situation, and in front of the lane monitor asked my mom to run to the concession area.
I'm just raising the point that in the past, unless you had a medical issue (like our diabetic) there was no food or drinking allowed of any kind. Now that they are allowing drinking, are they going to be strict about who goes to get the drinks? I don't know, that's why I'm asking. If it's like you say and only the waitresses can bring drinks, then it won't be so bad because you might be able to get 2 beers. But if anyone can bring the bowlers drinks, I can see some teams turning it into an average nite in a beer league.
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It IS next year!
Post by: Mvpbowler on February 18, 2010, 12:15:27 PM
NOW on to the reason this is bad!!
Not sure how old most people are that are posting on here but, I know I have heard since day one of bowling about how bowlers were known as fat slobs who only drank beer and ate snack bar food! How bowlers are were looked down upon because they didn''t work out or do anything to keep themselves in shape. I actually thought we were working in the right direction with this issue of getting bowlers better known and getting rid of the stereotype we had!
SO what does the USBC do, goes ahead and makes it even easier at our biggest tournament to make us look bad!! Why don''t we just set up portable hot dog and beer carts behind every couple pairs too?! Want a pretzel, sure no problem! How about a 20 oz bud light to go with it. Seriously can bowlers really not wait a few hours to finish bowling a squad to have a cocktail?! I am definitely one of those that understands you are there for a vacation as well! But seriously a few hours for the team event, you can''t put down the beer?!
Hmm.. And people wonder why bowling is losing memberships and falling off the map! Is this like well we can''t get into the Olympics, so screw it lets give in and let anything go?! More like USBC screwed up and they won''t come out and say it!! They have gone on nothing but a huge spending spree the last few years by moving down to Texas and now guess what they are laying off employees because they don''t have the money! Whose fault is that?! OHHHH so here is a brilliant idea lets make money by selling alcohol during the USBC Championships.
Roughly 7 Squads a day x I believe 145 days roughly = 1000+ squads. Let''s just say as probably a huge low ball they make $400 profit in alcohol a day. That is $400,000!!! And I am pretty sure it will be more like $750,000 - $1 Million. Ohhh and let me guess next year they also want to increase our dues too right?!
A JOKE!!
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Post by: MrNattyBoh on February 18, 2010, 12:34:40 PM
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Post by: agroves on February 18, 2010, 12:37:57 PM
As for alcohol, drink up. Drunks on a sport condition=less competition. Works in my favor.
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Post by: dballz on February 18, 2010, 12:48:58 PM
and another thing that hurts bowling is people having kids and their kids playing in sports. i dont' bowl as much because my 10yr old daughter is now in fastpitch, traveling softball. we practice around 9-10 months out of the year. kids sports today are basically year round, so that hinders parents from bowling like they use to. plus i also think that some leagues are still trying to get 32-36 weeks and people do not want to commit that long anymore. i know some in my area love the idea of 26 weeks.
Post by: dogman666 on February 18, 2010, 12:52:32 PM
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Post by: nutsforbowling on February 18, 2010, 01:37:59 PM
Of course the $5 rake for each bracket is still in effect.
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Post by: mumzie on February 18, 2010, 02:00:56 PM
That said - NOW THAT THEY''RE ALLOWING ALCOHOL - WHY AREN''T THEY ALLOWING FOOD??? That''s the best way to counteract the alcohol, and maybe keep some of the worst drunks from getting totally blotto.
Also - I don''t know what % of the take the USBC gets - but most of the $$ for the drinks will go to the stadium. I have NO problem at all with them making a few extra bucks. After all, they don''t have slots in that facility, so they can''t make up some of the revenue there.
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Post by: Bill Thomas on February 18, 2010, 02:06:17 PM
Post by: TWOHAND834 on February 18, 2010, 02:29:01 PM
They are taking our National Tournament and turning it into a local city tournament. Another fine decision.
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Post by: MrNattyBoh on February 18, 2010, 02:33:36 PM
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Post by: MrNattyBoh on February 18, 2010, 02:37:14 PM
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on February 18, 2010, 02:55:53 PM
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and one more thing, if you guys want respect in the sport you play.....dont bowl....do something like polo or golf.....lets face it, bowling is and always will be the drunk fat guy game....that will never change.
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And then when you break your hand hitting someone or another "drunk fat guy" breaks your jaw and/or nose, have fun explaining to your team that you cant continue and they will have to take a zero for the rest of the tourny. You dont seem to want to understand that there is no second chance at this thing. It isnt league where you get hurt, you return in a couple weeks and continue providing you arent suspended first. We are only talking about a couple hours here not an entire day or duration of tourny.
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Post by: DanH78 on February 18, 2010, 03:12:03 PM
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yOU GUYS WANNA BOWL AT THE HIGHEST FREAKING LEVEL THAN JOIN THE PRO'S......THIS TOPIC IS REDICULOUS....QUIT COMPLAING ABOUT AND GET OVER YOUR MACHO EGO'S....IDIOTS, GOD!
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You don't even bowl the tournament...so why do you care about this topic at all?
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Post by: jthales on February 18, 2010, 03:22:42 PM
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You don't even bowl the tournament...so why do you care about this topic at all?
maybe he sell the beer to usbc?
Post by: someguyintucson on February 18, 2010, 03:28:06 PM
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And then when you break your hand hitting someone or another "drunk fat guy" breaks your jaw and/or nose, have fun explaining to your team that you cant continue and they will have to take a zero for the rest of the tourny. You dont seem to want to understand that there is no second chance at this thing. It isnt league where you get hurt, you return in a couple weeks and continue providing you arent suspended first. We are only talking about a couple hours here not an entire day or duration of tourny.
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Why would you need to hit someone or worry about getting your nose or jaw broken?
I think that this is a good change for those of us responsible folks who would like to drink something other than water from a paper cup. I won't be drinking any alcohol when I bowl at the Open in April, but it will be nice being able to have my own bottle of water or Gatorade to drink while I'm bowling.
Post by: clovismaul on February 18, 2010, 03:38:34 PM
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Post by: MrNattyBoh on February 19, 2010, 06:46:24 AM
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Post by: DrBob806 on February 19, 2010, 09:54:29 AM
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What have we as bowlers, which have funded USBC all these years, really get for our dollar. A chance to fund Team USA, allow for testing and training on the most highest level. Be told that " Oh you didn't recieve your USBC card this year, well you card download it from bowl.com"
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Don't forget about funding the Women's Series!!! Then let a woman bowl in the Tournament of Champions, and winning it. WTF
Post by: LanemasterLefty on February 19, 2010, 06:49:44 PM
Post by: TWOHAND834 on February 23, 2010, 09:22:19 PM
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Post by: ginro on February 23, 2010, 10:37:51 PM
Incredible only "sport" where you can drink alcohol in a National Event???