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riggs

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Ball weighing to be cut at USBCs
« on: February 18, 2010, 08:33:51 AM »
As I predicted, USBC just announced it. And it's not a bad thing -- studies have shown static weights are virtually meaningless in ball motion.

http://host.madison.com/sports/recreation/bowling/article_a3ca0b1e-1ce3-11df-8116-001cc4c03286.html
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J_w73

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Re: Ball weighing to be cut at USBCs
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2010, 05:18:24 PM »
Doesn't this say they are just only weighing balls once before team.. you don't have to have them reweighed before singles and doubles?  Any ball that you didn't in the team event still needs to be weighed for singles and doubles.
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Re: Ball weighing to be cut at USBCs
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2010, 06:04:59 PM »
Riggs, do you have the link to the study on static weights? Also, JW is correct , it seems as though they will weigh the balls, only once though.
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riggs

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Re: Ball weighing to be cut at USBCs
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2010, 05:38:15 AM »
I am about to update the blog.  Balls need to be weighed for team event and only stuff not weighed then needs to be weighed for minors.  It will all be on the honor system.  Again, they could just drop all weighing and it would be pretty insignificant.

CC, I am sorry I haven't been able to find anywhere online where that study is posted, although I have not had the chance to look thoroughly.
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J_w73

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Re: Ball weighing to be cut at USBCs
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2010, 08:27:03 AM »
There are these videos about cg no matta done by brunsnick.. I haven't watched them in a while so I don't remember how scientific they are.. I just remember I would have done the testing a bit different

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipSCwh-E8Fw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xar4rfQw1U&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5_UCBMn1qk&feature=related

http://www.brunsnick.com/role_of_cg.html

there is an actual USBC paper about this but I can't find it..

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Re: Ball weighing to be cut at USBCs
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2010, 08:30:21 AM »
OH NO!!! The Lane#1 army is going to be all up in arms now.  Even the USBC doesn't think ending statics matter.  I hope T-GOD's head doesn't explode.
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j0hnny2x

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Re: Ball weighing to be cut at USBCs
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2010, 08:34:11 AM »
"OH NO!!! The Lane#1 army is going to be all up in arms now. Even the USBC doesn't think ending statics matter. I hope T-GOD's head doesn't explode."

oh man i was just thinkin the same thing. This should be good...lol
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Re: Ball weighing to be cut at USBCs
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2010, 08:46:16 AM »
Thanks for keeping us up to date on the changes at the USBC'S!
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J_w73

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Re: Ball weighing to be cut at USBCs
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2010, 10:19:48 AM »
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OH NO!!! The Lane#1 army is going to be all up in arms now.  Even the USBC doesn't think ending statics matter.  I hope T-GOD's head doesn't explode.
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why.. what is their position??
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Steven

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Re: Ball weighing to be cut at USBCs
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2010, 10:24:16 AM »
The definitive video showing the impact of static weight differences is the following:

http://www.brunswickbowling.com/uploads/images/1340/USBC_proposed_rule_changes_-_CG-Distance_informartion.pdf

Just a minor disclaimer before watching the video. Some analysis and reasoning ability is required to achieve optimum educational benefits.

As to the attachment provided by Riggs, yea on scaling back ball weighing at the USBC Open Championships. If you don't have skills, it doesn't matter what you're throwing.
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Re: Ball weighing to be cut at USBCs
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2010, 10:33:00 AM »
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As to the attachment provided by Riggs, yea on scaling back ball weighing at the USBC Open Championships. If you don't have skills, it doesn't matter what you're throwing.


Wow, so you just proved everyones point over all these years that argued with you about Lane#1 not being any better or worse than any other bowling ball. Because clearly it doesn't matter what YOU ARE throwing.

Thanks for the confirmation.
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Re: Ball weighing to be cut at USBCs
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2010, 10:33:51 AM »
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The definitive video showing the impact of static weight differences is the following:

http://www.brunswickbowling.com/uploads/images/1340/USBC_proposed_rule_changes_-_CG-Distance_informartion.pdf

Just a minor disclaimer before watching the video. Some analysis and reasoning ability is required to achieve optimum educational benefits.

As to the attachment provided by Riggs, yea on scaling back ball weighing at the USBC Open Championships. If you don't have skills, it doesn't matter what you're throwing.


Wow even when told by the governing body it doesn't matter your still clueless.
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Re: Ball weighing to be cut at USBCs
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2010, 10:36:32 AM »
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The definitive video showing the impact of static weight differences is the following:

http://www.brunswickbowling.com/uploads/images/1340/USBC_proposed_rule_changes_-_CG-Distance_informartion.pdf

Just a minor disclaimer before watching the video. Some analysis and reasoning ability is required to achieve optimum educational benefits.

As to the attachment provided by Riggs, yea on scaling back ball weighing at the USBC Open Championships. If you don't have skills, it doesn't matter what you're throwing.


I'm confused, Steven. How does your link not support exactly what riggs is saying? The money lines from the .pdf you linked:

"Brunswick believes that this presentation demonstrates and explains why there is little or no change to ball reaction, hook potential or angularity when the CG is placed at different locations on the surface of the ball, and that the proposed 1" CG-distance rule will result in no significant change to the scoring environment, and therefore have little or no effect on any objective measurement of credibility or integrity in our sport."

Are we supposed to use critical thinking and outside-the-box logic to draw conclusions entirely opposite to those drawn by the researchers who put together this presentation?
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larry mc

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Re: Ball weighing to be cut at USBCs
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2010, 10:44:05 AM »
damn i thought i was finally gonna be able to break out my 25 pounder
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Steven

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Re: Ball weighing to be cut at USBCs
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2010, 10:54:44 AM »
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I'm confused, Steven. How does your link not support exactly what riggs is saying?
 


Crusty: Since you didn't watch the video linked in the pdf document, I understand your confusion. Click where is says "click here to download...".

To the rest of you trolling for points against Steven, nice try. Again, reading comprehension comes into play. I clearly said for the USBC Open Championships, ultimate success is not going to be determined by differences in static weights and consequent differences in ball movement. If you don't have the prerequisite skills, you're not going to bowl well in this tournament -- period.
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