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General Category => USBC Tournament => Topic started by: milorafferty on March 16, 2017, 12:51:17 PM
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Doesn't she work for USBC? She is currently in 4th place for doubles. I thought those guys weren't eligible for the Open this year.
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Doesn't she work for USBC? She is currently in 4th place for doubles. I thought those guys weren't eligible for the Open this year.
Anyone at usbc is allowed to bowl but they can't win any money as far as I know
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Doesn't she work for USBC? She is currently in 4th place for doubles. I thought those guys weren't eligible for the Open this year.
Anyone at usbc is allowed to bowl but they can't win any money as far as I know
But what about her doubles partner and her team(currently in 5th place)?
They get paid? Sounds like one hell of a loop hole to me.
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EMPLOYEE POLICY
USBC National Headquarters employees and tournament employees at the USBC Open
Championships, their teams and/or doubles partners are not permitted to participate in
the prize funds, brackets or awards programs at the Open Championships. Employees
are eligible to bowl for purpose of participation records and pinfall.
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As long as they stick to that.
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CDB used to be the head of coaching for USBC. She gave up that position. She now works for Storm/Roto and other companies.
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CDB used to be the head of coaching for USBC. She gave up that position. She now works for Storm/Roto and other companies.
She is still listed as a coach at the training center. If they pay her for that, she is an employee. And Mike Shady is listed as well.
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I don't think that holds up. I think they are referring to full-time employees and the people who work the tournament. I'm pretty sure the Team USA coaches, other than Rod Ross, are considered contract employees; they're paid for the times when they hold team training and tournaments, but they don't draw paychecks all year round. As such, I'm pretty sure CDB, Shady, Bryan O'Keefe, etc. are eligible to bowl AND cash. I'm not 100% on that, but I'm pretty sure I'm right.
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I don't think that holds up. I think they are referring to full-time employees and the people who work the tournament. I'm pretty sure the Team USA coaches, other than Rod Ross, are considered contract employees; they're paid for the times when they hold team training and tournaments, but they don't draw paychecks all year round. As such, I'm pretty sure CDB, Shady, Bryan O'Keefe, etc. are eligible to bowl AND cash. I'm not 100% on that, but I'm pretty sure I'm right.
I agree that is how USBC will spin this, but they make the rules I guess. It just looks bad all around and will piss a lot of bowlers off even more.
Not like I was going to win an Eagle anyway. ;D
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From Richgels' 11th Frame-
Bowlers in the Team USA program have gained the assistance of the seven of the most respected coaches in the world, the United States Bowling Congress announced Thursday.
The new assistants to Team USA head coach Rod Ross and Junior Team USA head coach Bryan O’Keefe are Mark Baker, Carolyn Dorin-Ballard, Andy Diercks, Kelly Kulick, Mike Shady, Bill Spigner and Del Warren.
USBC said the seven will work with Team USA players at training camps and in international competitions, as needed.
The seven and independent contractors for Team USA and not employees of USBC, which is important to our 11thFrame.com teams because Shady is part of our group and were this an employee position he would be ineligible to cash in the USBC Open Championships.
O’Keefe also is an independent contractor, while Ross is a full-time employee.
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USBC is clueless if they think this isn't going to be an issue for a lot of bowlers at the Open.
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What's the big deal?
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It was never an issue before, then they make a rule so the actual employees can't cash and now it's an issue that the coaches are independent contractors.
Spigner hasn't shot 1800 since 2013, Baker and Diercks haven't bowled since 2014, and Del Warren hasn't bowled since 2012.
Worry about something that is worth worrying about.
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Without having to state the obvious, a 52 year old bowler with a 250 rev rate and moderate to slow speed has got other bowlers shook.
I love it.
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Wait... A "52 year old bowler with a 250 rev rate and moderate to slow speed has got other bowlers shook"??? How could that be? I haven't even bowled Nats yet this year, how did they find out??? 8)
If I only had a tenth of her talent, it would be a blessing... She's good... really good.
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USBC is clueless if they think this isn't going to be an issue for a lot of bowlers at the Open.
By a lot do you mean...like...12? I can't imagine there being any real controversy over this at all.
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Without having to state the obvious, a 52 year old bowler with a 250 rev rate and moderate to slow speed has got other bowlers shook.
I love it.
Missed the point entirely. But I supposed you can out bowl her, right?
It's the idea that she(and others in the same situation) probably have seen the pattern used.
It just looks bad, have you never met bowlers?
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USBC is clueless if they think this isn't going to be an issue for a lot of bowlers at the Open.
By a lot do you mean...like...12? I can't imagine there being any real controversy over this at all.
It takes nothing to upset bowlers. It's more of an appearance thing than anything else.
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Without having to state the obvious, a 52 year old bowler with a 250 rev rate and moderate to slow speed has got other bowlers shook.
I love it.
Missed the point entirely. But I supposed you can out bowl her, right?
It's the idea that she(and others in the same situation) probably have seen the pattern used.
It just looks bad, have you never met bowlers?
Point was not missed. I'm just razzing you and others who in the theoretical "throw more ball" than her. (Insert troll pic here).
To be honest, I don't care about the optics. There's a good chance by the end of the tournament, her and her partner's score won't even be top 10 - and there will only be a few, who will care at that point. You may be one of them.
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CDB is better than all of us, period. If she works for USBC, she's better. If she doesn't, she's better. If she uses Storm or Radical or Visionary, she's better. She will run you the f over on almost anything.
Just repeat "I never stood a chance anyways"
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Personally, I couldn't care less that they're allowed to bowl and cash. They're better bowlers than I am, so they should finish ahead of me and make more money than I do in this event. I don't even like the fact that they don't allow their regular employees to cash anymore. If I were still working there, I doubt I'd even bowl it unless they paid my expenses because even though my yearly trip is mostly a financial loss, I like the idea of at least having a slim chance to win a few bucks back.
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Just repeat "I never stood a chance anyways"
This is a defeatist/loser attitude. The realist in me knows CDB is awesome and will beat me more often than not - however, I know I have a chance greater than "never" of beating her or anyone else.
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Just repeat "I never stood a chance anyways"
This is a defeatist/loser attitude. The realist in me knows CDB is awesome and will beat me more often than not - however, I know I have a chance greater than "never" of beating her or anyone else.
Well, I know I bowl better when I don't have my panties crammed up my crack.
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Just repeat "I never stood a chance anyways"
This is a defeatist/loser attitude. The realist in me knows CDB is awesome and will beat me more often than not - however, I know I have a chance greater than "never" of beating her or anyone else.
Well, I know I bowl better when I don't have my panties crammed up my crack.
You could always go commando when bowling against the elite. Or you could just live life to the fullest and always go commando. It's your call. Good luck and good bowling.
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Personally, I couldn't care less that they're allowed to bowl and cash. They're better bowlers than I am, so they should finish ahead of me and make more money than I do in this event. I don't even like the fact that they don't allow their regular employees to cash anymore. If I were still working there, I doubt I'd even bowl it unless they paid my expenses because even though my yearly trip is mostly a financial loss, I like the idea of at least having a slim chance to win a few bucks back.
I also think they should be able to bowl. Where I have a problem is with USBC telling us one thing, then doing another. It gives the idiots who are always harping on USBC one more thing to bitch about.
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True, Milo, but we all know that the Morpheus' of the world never NEEDED ammunition anyway; they just make up new reasons to hate and bash the company anyway! I see what you're getting at, but I think they've made the distinction clear enough in this case. If you work at Bowling HQ as a full-time USBC employee or work on-site at the tournament, you can't cash. If you just do some sporadic work for them a few times a year, you're okay.
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True, Milo, but we all know that the Morpheus' of the world never NEEDED ammunition anyway; they just make up new reasons to hate and bash the company anyway! I see what you're getting at, but I think they've made the distinction clear enough in this case. If you work at Bowling HQ as a full-time USBC employee or work on-site at the tournament, you can't cash. If you just do some sporadic work for them a few times a year, you're okay.
I'm just here to provide a different perspective from the people like yourself and Milo that blindly accept all things USBC and kiss Chad Murphy's behind.
By the way, membership declined again this year...well done USBC.
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True, Milo, but we all know that the Morpheus' of the world never NEEDED ammunition anyway; they just make up new reasons to hate and bash the company anyway! I see what you're getting at, but I think they've made the distinction clear enough in this case. If you work at Bowling HQ as a full-time USBC employee or work on-site at the tournament, you can't cash. If you just do some sporadic work for them a few times a year, you're okay.
I'm just here to provide a different perspective from the people like yourself and Milo that blindly accept all things USBC and kiss Chad Murphy's behind.
By the way, membership declined again this year...well done USBC.
Just wondering, do you even bowl?
I ask because the second biggest critic(of which I am aware) of USBC doesn't even bowl, but is constantly bitching about what they do.
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I'm just here to provide a different perspective from the people like yourself and Milo that blindly accept all things USBC and kiss Chad Murphy's behind.
I think this is a mischaracterization. MANY of us have offered fair criticism and opinions on the USBC. To characterize the stances of many members here as above is unfair. It really is.
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I'm just here to provide a different perspective from the people like yourself and Milo that blindly accept all things USBC and kiss Chad Murphy's behind.
I think this is a mischaracterization. MANY of us have offered fair criticism and opinions on the USBC. To characterize the stances of many members here as above is unfair. It really is.
He must not have read this entire post, right? LOL
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True, Milo, but we all know that the Morpheus' of the world never NEEDED ammunition anyway; they just make up new reasons to hate and bash the company anyway! I see what you're getting at, but I think they've made the distinction clear enough in this case. If you work at Bowling HQ as a full-time USBC employee or work on-site at the tournament, you can't cash. If you just do some sporadic work for them a few times a year, you're okay.
I'm just here to provide a different perspective from the people like yourself and Milo that blindly accept all things USBC and kiss Chad Murphy's behind.
By the way, membership declined again this year...well done USBC.
Man, you're full of your own delusions. First of all, Chard Murphy turned me down for like 5 jobs at USBC back when I was still in TX, so while I like some of the things the guy has tried/is trying with the organization, I'm far from his biggest fan. Second, you don't bring new perspectives; you bring the same old "USBC sucks and everything wrong with bowling is USBC's fault" perspective to every conversation. I bring different perspectives. I respect and praise them for some things, and I'm willing to criticize them for others.
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Pros, whether regional or touring, have to bowl somewhere when they are not competing full time. There have been local tournaments I have bowled where PBA regional guys have entered. They do not always win the whole thing. Heck, they have even entered no tap handicap tournaments and not cashed.
The USBC makes it clear that employees can bowl, but can't cash. Seems like a fair deal. It all boils down to accepting that professionals might be bowling and taking the chance, or just walking away and not entering. Bowling is a sport where winning is not a sure thing. Anyone has a chance to beat anyone else at any time.
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I'd have to say if I got first place money in an event but didn't get an eagle because an employee of USBC bowled a higher score I wouldn't be real happy. I'd rather get second. But I know this will never happen.
To those saying the pros need some place to bowl, then why have all the rules about how many pros you can have on a team and that past PBA champions can't bowl together even if they no longer carry a card?
In many cases the "professional amateurs" gather bowlers from all over the country come together just for this tournament so why can't the pros put a team together?
And the fact that we all bowl for money doesn't make us very amateurish to me.
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This is a total non-issue, can't believe anyone would even care enough to start this thread, much less that I am commenting on it.
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I'd have to say if I got first place money in an event but didn't get an eagle because an employee of USBC bowled a higher score I wouldn't be real happy. I'd rather get second. But I know this will never happen.
To those saying the pros need some place to bowl, then why have all the rules about how many pros you can have on a team and that past PBA champions can't bowl together even if they no longer carry a card?
In many cases the "professional amateurs" gather bowlers from all over the country come together just for this tournament so why can't the pros put a team together?
And the fact that we all bowl for money doesn't make us very amateurish to me.
The USBC employee won't get an eagle either. They only get to bowl for score.