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Fairness of the shot?
« on: January 18, 2006, 11:19:21 PM »
I am pretty bored at work tonight.  Decided to throw this up for discussion.

I think we all know it isn't a secret that they want players off the second arrow.  It seems they shut out players with low revs that like to play the outside.  Last time I was at nationals, I saw a bunch of senior players struggling to hook the ball from the outside.  

I am questioning the fairness of shutting people out and/or pushing them off the ten board to score.  Maybe the tourney should have alternating shots, every other year.  

Thoughts?

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Re: Fairness of the shot?
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2006, 08:06:49 AM »
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I think we all know it isn't a secret that they want players off the second arrow.  It seems they shut out players with low revs that like to play the outside.


Dare I ask who "they" are?  Proprietors who want to even out the wear over the whole lane surface?

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Re: Fairness of the shot?
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2006, 08:12:22 AM »
I think it is a fair shot.  It just requires you to play a different part of the lane.  If your only shot is 2nd arrow, and you never move from it no matter what the lanes are telling you, then you're not a good bowler. Doesn't matter if you can split boards, if you won't move, your game is lacking and you deserve low scores.

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Re: Fairness of the shot?
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2006, 08:19:50 AM »
Fair has nothing to do with it, IMHO ... our challenge as bowlers is to "read" the lanes and make the proper decisions/adjustments to give ourselves the largest area on the lanes that afford us the opportunity to strike, string strikes, and cover our spares. My 2 cents ...
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Re: Fairness of the shot?
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2006, 08:21:54 AM »
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Re: Fairness of the shot?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2006, 08:41:10 AM »
andrew,  I understand waht you are saying, but under no circumstances should the Nationl's shot be anything close to a normal house shot.  Why?, simply because it is the Nationals.  The point is tommake the shot demanding enough to require some skill - both throwing the ball and reading the lanes.  Any chance of this would be gone if it was on something similar to the typcial house shot.

I realize that there will always be bowlers who will complain about the shot there saying that it is unplayable and unfair.  Unless you've been living under a rock, you should know going in, that it is not a house shot. If a bowler doesn't want to bowl on anything other than a house shot, don't go.

A lot of "older" bowlers go every year out of tradition, knowing that their scores are not going to be very high, and still enjoy the trip.  I realize that someday I'll be in that same position, but I plan on going every year as long as I can make the trip.  Right now, I still think that I can be somewhat competetive, but that will change, and when it does, I'll still go and enjoy the trip.

However, that will all change if they were to put out a shot that is like a house shot. In that case, why go, there's no point in going if it's not going to be a challenge.

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Re: Fairness of the shot?
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2006, 12:09:00 PM »
A lot of the bowlers I grew up with (that are still alive and bowling) are bowling "classified"division ...their scoring has also fallen at home.

That's why they have 2 divisions. I've been shooting the Nationals since the 1970s...it's not only about the bowling...it's about being with friends.
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Re: Fairness of the shot?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2006, 05:13:43 PM »
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I think it is a fair shot.  It just requires you to play a different part of the lane.  If your only shot is 2nd arrow, and you never move from it no matter what the lanes are telling you, then you're not a good bowler. Doesn't matter if you can split boards, if you won't move, your game is lacking and you deserve low scores.


To play the devils advocate, there are some guys making a living being one dimensional.  For example, http://pba.com/players/singlebio.asp?ID=67

 
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andrew, I understand waht you are saying, but under no circumstances should the Nationl's shot be anything close to a normal house shot. Why?, simply because it is the Nationals. The point is tommake the shot demanding enough to require some skill - both throwing the ball and reading the lanes. Any chance of this would be gone if it was on something similar to the typcial house shot.


Who said anything about a house shot??  If you think the only shot that allows play from the 1st to 2nd arrow is THS, I believe you are mistaken.  

This is more of a discussion post, I am not here to start an argument or fight.  There are patterns that tend to favor different styles.  I am suggesting a rotation of patterns from year to year, thats all.

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Re: Fairness of the shot?
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2006, 05:30:04 PM »
Andrew--I'd venture to say if Dave Traber was bowling Natl's on that pattern he'd try to play the twig which is his A game and he can play 2 board where most can't.

At times at Natl's there is a shot at the gutter most just don't feel confident playing that close to the gutter.  I think Traber would do rather well.
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Re: Fairness of the shot?
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2006, 07:43:50 PM »
I think so too.  I played the 3-4 board last time I was at nats.  I was just suggesting some of the best players aren't that versatile.

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Re: Fairness of the shot?
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2006, 11:20:59 PM »
Well, I'm on the fence on this one.  Yes, I'd like to see a little more variety at Nationals.  Every year I've bowled (this will be #5), the HIGHEST scores have always come from 3rd arrow or deeper.  But, I don't see people getting "shut out".  The difference I see is that if you get inside 3rd-4th arrow, you have a couple boards to play with.  Whereas you can score playing straight up 10, but you need to hit 10 and only 10 every shot.  My first year was Billings, that year it was either the twig or 4th arrow.  Well, I spent the first 6 games trying to play there and had no luck, for single I said to heck with what everyone says, I'm piping it up 10...I had my best series of the tournament (still not great), but it had a couple 190 games in it.
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Re: Fairness of the shot?
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2006, 03:22:27 PM »
Bob pretty much hit it right on the head.

I felt sorry for people that have bowled on our pair of lanes after team event.
Mainly because of how we blew up the oil pattern.
What oil that was left on the lanes forced you either inside of 20 or outside of 5 board.
It definitely helps if everyone on the pair goes in with the mind set of playing the same part of the lane early on and follow the transition.
Try and get everyone to play to the majority of your players strengths not to the select few.

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Re: Fairness of the shot?
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2006, 03:42:53 PM »
What kind of shot can a left-hander expect to see? This will be my first national and I'm excited but would like to know how the opposite handers attack the lanes.

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Re: Fairness of the shot?
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2006, 06:14:26 PM »
Any left-handers know what type of shot I can expect?
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Re: Fairness of the shot?
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2006, 10:09:06 PM »
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Any left-handers know what type of shot I can expect?
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I am guessing here, b/c I am right handed.  But, seeing as the left side will see much less play.  I'd guess you could play wherever you are comfortable, provide you have a decent look.  I am going in open minded, taking what the lane gives me.

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