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crackkills

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General Strategy at Nationals
« on: June 20, 2007, 06:13:17 AM »
I was just curious as to if anyone could give me a little advice about some general strategy on how to play the lanes.  I have never bowled Nationals and I know that without all of my stats it will be hard to give perfect advice.  I am a medium rev, medium speed player.  I just want a general idea of how to attack the lanes as a team and how you guys prepare mentally.  I bowl next week.  Any advice is welcomed.  Thanks in advance.
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Re: General Strategy at Nationals
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2007, 02:18:16 PM »
I was fortunate enough to play my house line. Outside 8, unless you have a little more hand, is an out-of-bounds area. Find your line early.

As for mental prep, just try to have fun and don't overthink any shot. Nationals are truly meant to think one shot at a time. The carry is good and the shot isn't squirrely. You also don't need a traction/low grit balls. I used balls with 4000 grit abralon while others had success with 2000..
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Re: General Strategy at Nationals
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2007, 02:39:38 PM »
General advice,
Get there early, find someone throwing similar style as yourself, and look
to where they are throwing, especially those who are scoring better. There
was no look outside of 8 that was reliable, and speed control and consistency
is a must. Watch out for spares, go right at them, and throw hard, because
even though there is a good amount of oil, once it comes out of it, there is
decent reaction, and carry becomes the only issue. I ended up using the ball
that gives me the most pop at home, my Epic Odussey, which I had dull, 2000
abralon, with a 5 X 3 drilling. I never really had success with my pearl reactives or my pearl particle in Reno, but the dull was fine. Good Luck,
keep your eyes open, stay away from the outside of 8.

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Re: General Strategy at Nationals
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2007, 03:05:26 PM »
My advice is take one ball that is an oil ball that is dull. If you dont use it with your game then you will have it just in case. I took my Mammoth which is my oil ball and bowled on fresh both days.

Don't go outside as the others have said, but try deep at least to see if your ball and hand will get the ball back. I do know guys who played inside 15-20 and could get the ball to the hole.

My advice on your mental game is, throw one ball at a time. Take what you get and then throw the next ball. I did this and kept me in the game, I didnt let a bad shot get me down. My low game was 169 and high was 212.

Good luck,
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crackkills

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Re: General Strategy at Nationals
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2007, 03:33:18 PM »
Thanks guys, this is really helpful.  The only really heavy oil ball that I own is my Paradigm Passion that is oob finish.  Should I alter the surface a bit, and if so, what would you recommend changing it too?  Thanks again!!
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Re: General Strategy at Nationals
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2007, 04:27:12 PM »
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Thanks guys, this is really helpful.  The only really heavy oil ball that I own is my Paradigm Passion that is oob finish.  Should I alter the surface a bit, and if so, what would you recommend changing it too?  Thanks again!!
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I just looked up your Passion and if its out of box, I would think that would work just fine. No need to adjust the surface. I looked at your profile and it says you have a Ace? If you have enough hand or bowl on second shift oil, I would take it unless your going to buy something when your there.

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crackkills

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Re: General Strategy at Nationals
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2007, 04:51:38 PM »
Shipper,

I am taking my Ace.  Fortunately, I live semi-close to Reno.  So, I can drive and bring whatever I need to bring.
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Re: General Strategy at Nationals
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2007, 05:52:20 PM »
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Shipper,

I am taking my Ace.  Fortunately, I live semi-close to Reno.  So, I can drive and bring whatever I need to bring.
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Let us know how you did and what you used when you get back.....

Good luck and take it all in

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crackkills

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Re: General Strategy at Nationals
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2007, 06:07:31 PM »
Thanks!!  I will definitely fill you in when I get back.  I bowl next Thursday and Friday.  Thanks again for all the help.
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Re: General Strategy at Nationals
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2007, 04:37:41 AM »
Basic tip for any unknown tournament shot: keep the hook small and try a direct line first. This is conservative, but the situation is not the right one for a hollywood hook from deep angles with huge risk for splits and open frames. Filling frames is the key, especially as long as you are searching for the right angle in the pocket to string some strikes. Anything else will be IMO too risky, wasting 1 game or more just to find that the sharp hooking ball is simply njot working properly.

Additionally, I second the choice of a sheen or sanded solid reactive, or maybe a particle pearl. Traction and control are important in this situation, to find and hold the pocket, but also to draw the right conclusions concerning ball reaction and anticipation of condition changes. A stable, predictable ball is a great help here. If the line dries up you can still move deeper, but you should also keep in mind a weaker ball alternative for late games, just in case.

My choices from my current arsenal would be my sanded XXcel for the occasion of true flat soup, my Frankie May Gryphon for medium-heavy shots, either my Eraser Particle Peral or the Trauma for mediums and finally my arcing Pure Hammer for late games or shots very close to the gutter. Very conservative, but all steady performmers for my style which build confidence.


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shipper50

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Re: General Strategy at Nationals
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2007, 06:28:59 AM »
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I don't know why everyone is telling you not to go outside. You may not be able to swing it outside of 8 to get it to recover. I shot 300 and 716 in singles playing straight up 5. I have also heard this is a hit and miss shot. Some have had success and others couldn't get a ball to move. I quess I was just lucky.  

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I took my Mammoth and tried going up the 6 board and got the ball to the hole for about 4 frames and then it was gone. If you shot 300 going up the 5 board, good for you. I dont know anyone else that could even the ball to wrinkle outside on the days I bowled.

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Re: General Strategy at Nationals
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2007, 11:47:16 AM »
Trim,
I tried a few shots from outside, but couldn't find a consistent line to the pocket.  MY guess is the average person doesn't have the skill level that you have.  Shooting 300 going up the 5 board on that condition is pretty impressive.

I stayed in for all 9 games.  I wasn't swinging the ball, but instead kept a pretty tight line.  I ended up with 3 small 600's for a total of 1880.

Crack,
Try to throw a few shots on a couple of different lines.  Then go with the line that lets you leave makable spares.  Also, don't be afraid to change your initial plan if your initial plan isn't working.
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crackkills

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Re: General Strategy at Nationals
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2007, 11:49:44 AM »
Thanks, I will definitely experiment with different lines during practice.  How long is the practice session?  I have heard that it is not very long.  Is this true?
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Re: General Strategy at Nationals
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2007, 12:04:55 PM »
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Thanks, I will definitely experiment with different lines during practice.  How long is the practice session?  I have heard that it is not very long.  Is this true?
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You get about 5 minutes or so in team. You get ONLY 2 balls on each lane in doubles and make sure you get them. I had to remind a guy that was bowling on the pair I bowled on that there is a check mark on the big board by your name that shows if you got the them or not. It doesn't matter if you throw them or another person. They will explain this in the squad room.

The main thing to remember is, when in the squad room, LISTEN to what they are saying. It really makes a difference.

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crackkills

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Re: General Strategy at Nationals
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2007, 06:59:48 PM »
Wow, that is quick.  I guess you really only get 2 balls on each lane for team too, lol.  Do you have any suggestions on how to get loosened up prior to practice?  I have a few things that I do, but, any other suggestions?
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