Post by: crackkills on June 20, 2007, 06:13:17 AM
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Post by: KDawg77 on June 20, 2007, 02:18:16 PM
As for mental prep, just try to have fun and don't overthink any shot. Nationals are truly meant to think one shot at a time. The carry is good and the shot isn't squirrely. You also don't need a traction/low grit balls. I used balls with 4000 grit abralon while others had success with 2000..
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Post by: thirtyclean on June 20, 2007, 02:39:38 PM
Get there early, find someone throwing similar style as yourself, and look
to where they are throwing, especially those who are scoring better. There
was no look outside of 8 that was reliable, and speed control and consistency
is a must. Watch out for spares, go right at them, and throw hard, because
even though there is a good amount of oil, once it comes out of it, there is
decent reaction, and carry becomes the only issue. I ended up using the ball
that gives me the most pop at home, my Epic Odussey, which I had dull, 2000
abralon, with a 5 X 3 drilling. I never really had success with my pearl reactives or my pearl particle in Reno, but the dull was fine. Good Luck,
keep your eyes open, stay away from the outside of 8.
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Post by: shipper50 on June 20, 2007, 03:05:26 PM
Don't go outside as the others have said, but try deep at least to see if your ball and hand will get the ball back. I do know guys who played inside 15-20 and could get the ball to the hole.
My advice on your mental game is, throw one ball at a time. Take what you get and then throw the next ball. I did this and kept me in the game, I didnt let a bad shot get me down. My low game was 169 and high was 212.
Good luck,
Shipper
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Post by: crackkills on June 20, 2007, 03:33:18 PM
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Post by: shipper50 on June 20, 2007, 04:27:12 PM
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Thanks guys, this is really helpful. The only really heavy oil ball that I own is my Paradigm Passion that is oob finish. Should I alter the surface a bit, and if so, what would you recommend changing it too? Thanks again!!
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I just looked up your Passion and if its out of box, I would think that would work just fine. No need to adjust the surface. I looked at your profile and it says you have a Ace? If you have enough hand or bowl on second shift oil, I would take it unless your going to buy something when your there.
Shipper
Post by: crackkills on June 20, 2007, 04:51:38 PM
I am taking my Ace. Fortunately, I live semi-close to Reno. So, I can drive and bring whatever I need to bring.
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Post by: shipper50 on June 20, 2007, 05:52:20 PM
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Shipper,
I am taking my Ace. Fortunately, I live semi-close to Reno. So, I can drive and bring whatever I need to bring.
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Let us know how you did and what you used when you get back.....
Good luck and take it all in
Shipper
Post by: crackkills on June 20, 2007, 06:07:31 PM
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Post by: dizzyfugu on June 21, 2007, 04:37:41 AM
Additionally, I second the choice of a sheen or sanded solid reactive, or maybe a particle pearl. Traction and control are important in this situation, to find and hold the pocket, but also to draw the right conclusions concerning ball reaction and anticipation of condition changes. A stable, predictable ball is a great help here. If the line dries up you can still move deeper, but you should also keep in mind a weaker ball alternative for late games, just in case.
My choices from my current arsenal would be my sanded XXcel for the occasion of true flat soup, my Frankie May Gryphon for medium-heavy shots, either my Eraser Particle Peral or the Trauma for mediums and finally my arcing Pure Hammer for late games or shots very close to the gutter. Very conservative, but all steady performmers for my style which build confidence.
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Post by: shipper50 on June 21, 2007, 06:28:59 AM
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I don't know why everyone is telling you not to go outside. You may not be able to swing it outside of 8 to get it to recover. I shot 300 and 716 in singles playing straight up 5. I have also heard this is a hit and miss shot. Some have had success and others couldn't get a ball to move. I quess I was just lucky.
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I took my Mammoth and tried going up the 6 board and got the ball to the hole for about 4 frames and then it was gone. If you shot 300 going up the 5 board, good for you. I dont know anyone else that could even the ball to wrinkle outside on the days I bowled.
Shipper
Post by: CPA on June 21, 2007, 11:47:16 AM
I tried a few shots from outside, but couldn't find a consistent line to the pocket. MY guess is the average person doesn't have the skill level that you have. Shooting 300 going up the 5 board on that condition is pretty impressive.
I stayed in for all 9 games. I wasn't swinging the ball, but instead kept a pretty tight line. I ended up with 3 small 600's for a total of 1880.
Crack,
Try to throw a few shots on a couple of different lines. Then go with the line that lets you leave makable spares. Also, don't be afraid to change your initial plan if your initial plan isn't working.
Post by: crackkills on June 21, 2007, 11:49:44 AM
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Post by: shipper50 on June 21, 2007, 12:04:55 PM
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Thanks, I will definitely experiment with different lines during practice. How long is the practice session? I have heard that it is not very long. Is this true?
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You get about 5 minutes or so in team. You get ONLY 2 balls on each lane in doubles and make sure you get them. I had to remind a guy that was bowling on the pair I bowled on that there is a check mark on the big board by your name that shows if you got the them or not. It doesn't matter if you throw them or another person. They will explain this in the squad room.
The main thing to remember is, when in the squad room, LISTEN to what they are saying. It really makes a difference.
Shipper
Post by: crackkills on June 21, 2007, 06:59:48 PM
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Post by: B Pirnie on June 21, 2007, 07:23:36 PM
As for getting loose before D&S the stub lane is open then. It costs $11 to throw a few shots and you get a photo. Doesn't take many pins to make the $11 back if you have a good set.
Post by: Russell on June 21, 2007, 09:47:32 PM
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I took my Mammoth and tried going up the 6 board and got the ball to the hole for about 4 frames and then it was gone. If you shot 300 going up the 5 board, good for you. I dont know anyone else that could even the ball to wrinkle outside on the days I bowled.
Shipper
That's because 98% of bowlers today have no idea how to properly play the outside part of the lane. We play 10 to 5 in league and think we've got it down.
I played up 7 in team event and made over $4k in brackets shooting 660. I moved in for s/d only because the lanes were very broken down and ended up at 1942 AE.
If you can properly play the track...it is wide open.
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Post by: shipper50 on June 21, 2007, 09:55:57 PM
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I took my Mammoth and tried going up the 6 board and got the ball to the hole for about 4 frames and then it was gone. If you shot 300 going up the 5 board, good for you. I dont know anyone else that could even the ball to wrinkle outside on the days I bowled.
Shipper
That's because 98% of bowlers today have no idea how to properly play the outside part of the lane. We play 10 to 5 in league and think we've got it down.
I played up 7 in team event and made over $4k in brackets shooting 660. I moved in for s/d only because the lanes were very broken down and ended up at 1942 AE.
If you can properly play the track...it is wide open.
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Your 30 years younger than I am. Your knee wasn't swollen 2 times what it should have been. You have more revs than I do, and it depends all on how the others on the pair are playing the lanes.
I do know how to play the outside part of the lane when I gives me an area to get the ball to the hole, but when I start leaving stone 10 pins as they are called today I look for something else.
I was playing the 1-2 board before you were born, so I think I know how to play the outside.
Shipper
Post by: Russell on June 21, 2007, 10:35:58 PM
Just a thought....
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Post by: shipper50 on June 22, 2007, 06:34:47 AM
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If your knee and ball roll keep you from playing outside....maybe you should refrain from discouraging others to do the same.
Just a thought....
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There were 3 others who responded about shooting outside of 8 besides me. You picked me to comment on my suggestions. Just because you scored outside of 8 doesn't mean all the others yet to bowl should stay there and not try inside to see if it just might work for them.
I was giving this kid who is going to his first nationals advice on where to try and see what might work for him. From what I have read not many bowlers have been able to score from outside. If you watch the Greg Lemond clip, he is playing inside 20 and he did pretty good from there if you think 795 is ok.
So just maybe your line is not for everybody?
Shipper
Post by: crackkills on June 22, 2007, 09:48:28 AM
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Post by: stone8 on June 22, 2007, 12:13:10 PM
I found straighter with some surface to be the best option this year. The shot allows you to hook the ball as much as you desire, but from what I saw and experienced the guys that were trying to play the big hooks were getting in more trouble via designer splits and washouts. Where the the guys playing a bit straighter were holding the pocket much better and leaving easier spares.
I threw a ROTOGRIP Epic Battle in team(should have switched to the STORM Double Agent earlier the third game). Started doubles with the Battle and quickly switched to the Double Agent for the rest of D/S. There were occasional appearances by my Vertigo and Agent(original).
Anyway good luck, have fun and enjoy your first Nationals.
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Post by: Tateman on June 26, 2007, 12:56:22 PM
Overall, I saw people with shinny equipment. Guy that I know that did well had particle pearl and shiny resin balls. No idea what the surface was that they used. I know one guy had his OOB condition on his Enriched Uranium.
To me it seemed I had to be right on. There wasn't much forgiveness for me. It was my first nationals, so I just was trying to have as much fun as possible while trying to bowl the best I could.
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Post by: crackkills on June 27, 2007, 02:22:08 PM
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Post by: Strapper_Squared on June 27, 2007, 02:37:25 PM
We had the late shift for s/d. Our doubles pair still had a ton of oil and was quite touchy.. I was throwing the ball a lot better, but still didn't manage to make many spares. I was playing around 15 at the arrows swinging the ball out to around 8-9-10 at the break point. Pretty decent shot when I could hit it. We flipped pairs with our teammates and it was like night and day. The singles pair was absolutely flying (maybe because someone was covering 40 boards with their Fury/Shift combo the set prior
). I moved in with my newly acquired Equation^2... standing against the ball return and pitching it right and managed to shoot a reasonable set.. easily would have been in the 700's if I had any sort of spare game (think I had 7 or 8 opens for the set.. including 10th frame of last game), but managed a high 640 (by the way, didn't make it through any brackets shooting 208 my first game)... But it was absolutely night and day between the doubles and singles pair... So I think it really depends on the pair you catch and the people bowling there before you.
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Post by: crackkills on July 02, 2007, 02:41:44 PM
I must say that I had a great first experience for Nationals.
Team - Team event was my lowest set. I had games of 147, 156 and 230. The first two games I tried to play around 10 or so and I just couldn't execute. I had 6 splits this game (one being a 7 - 10 in the pocket). The oil outside made it a bit more difficult. So, midway through the 2nd game, I moved inside and was playing around 18 out to the last board marker for my break point. That was the change I needed as I started the third game with the first 6 strikes. I got the next one outside of my breakpoint and I didn't come out of it clean and washed out. I had two more strikes and then opened in the tenth with another split. All in all, I felt like I had maybe found something for the next two sets.
Doubles - Doubles was my best set. My three games were 183, 202 and 211. I was playing right where I had finished off in Team. It worked well for me, other than the fact if I missed right, I would have a split. I think that my partner and I cashed.
Singles - Singles was the set that I felt I bowled the best. My scores were 187, 208, and 180. I moved 2 boards right on this pair as the group before us were a few ladies that threw the ball straight and didn't really change the shot too much. The 208 game started out open, spare, spare. The first open was a 7 - 10 in the hole. So, I make my next two spares. I get lined up again and get the next 4 in a row. In the ninth, I threw a pretty good ball and I leave another 7 - 10 in the pocket. A little frustrating. I punched out in the 10th for the 208. The third game, I got a little tired and I didn't execute as well and shot 180.
Overall, I had a great time. It showed me that I really need to practice ALOT more. Thanks again everyone for all of your thoughts and suggestions. I will definitely be ready for next year.
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Post by: stone8 on July 02, 2007, 02:51:07 PM
As a fellow Storm user I'm curious, what balls did you throw?
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Post by: crackkills on July 02, 2007, 02:52:40 PM
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