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Pinbuster

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Green Sheet
« on: February 15, 2024, 05:22:56 AM »
Has anyone else filled out their green sheet for this years tournament?

Everything was pretty much the same as the past but at the end it ask a question about your current years average.

Basically if you have a current house shot average that when sport adjusted is 10 pins or more higher than your current 27 game nationals average you have to report it. Mine is higher but not 10 pins.

But I have at least 3 other players on my team that probably will. We are all 70+ year old bowlers with 25+ years at nationals. Recent years have us struggling on sport shorts but can still post good league averages.

If you report this does it change your nationals average or only used in case of a review at the end of the tournament? If it changes your tournament average then there could be effects of which division bowlers are in.

It seems they are trying to catch improving bowlers taking advantage. But with long time tournament bowlers it feels like a catch 22.

 

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Re: Green Sheet
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2024, 10:00:45 PM »
It sounds like they are attempting to bolster the feeding grounds for the pro and amateur pros in regular division. The division has been shrinking in size, so bracket money is harder to come by. If they move me back to regular division, I won’t go in brackets and it will definitely be my last tournament. I can compete in Standard division, but no longer in the Regular. The tournament director is a smart guy, but this is not the way to fix the issue. The best way is to use a combination of age and actual results at the tournament. I am not trying to play above my weight class, it’s exactly where I belong now. If I got no chance in hell of competing, no reason to go, period. I don’t have a legacy to protect or add to.

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Re: Green Sheet
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2024, 10:17:58 PM »
If they move me back to regular division, I won’t go in brackets and it will definitely be my last tournament.

Same for me.

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Re: Green Sheet
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2024, 06:35:36 PM »
I sent an e-mail to the tournament director asking for clarification of the new green sheet question. Here is the reply.

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The USBC tournament staff has expanded the reporting of Rule 319a-2 on the Green and Pink Sheets.

This adjustment allows the staff to research a bowler’s current ability and compare the data to their tournament average or most recent league seasons, based on a single league or a composite average.

This addition will allow the staff to use the same criteria for everyone and ensure bowlers are competing against those of a similar skill level.

If you would report an average of 10 pins or higher (converted to a Sport average) compared to your current entering average, you will use that average to determine your division placement at the Open or Championships.

Sincerely,

Frederick “Chip” Aki

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So as I read the last paragraph. A current sport adjusted average that is 10 or more pins over your 27 game tournament average will be the average used for the tournament/division placing.

Currently I believe 3 of our team members will be changed and our team will move up a division and at least 1 doubles pairing moved up a division.

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Re: Green Sheet
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2024, 07:06:20 PM »
I received the same response from USBC, below was my response:

"Thank you for confirming my understanding of the new average rule.

However, I see a couple flaws with the reasoning for the new rule:  1)  Not all bowling alley THS are the same, some are easier than others, 2)  Unless USBC plans on creating a 4th or 5th division, I don't see how my 181 Standard-to-Sport average is of similar skill level as a PBA pro or high level amateur bowler."

I'll be surprised if I get a response.

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Re: Green Sheet
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2024, 08:39:17 AM »
It is there to help pay for the better bowlers.

Because USBC thinks a 176 or higher converted average bowler and people who average 220+ on 2:1 conditions would go well together. I do not understand why so many people go to this tournament anymore outside of entertainment. The vast majority are donators. Should count as a tax write off for donating to pba/pwba and those who cant afford to leave their jobs to bowl said tours.


I received the same response from USBC, below was my response:

"Thank you for confirming my understanding of the new average rule.

However, I see a couple flaws with the reasoning for the new rule:  1)  Not all bowling alley THS are the same, some are easier than others, 2)  Unless USBC plans on creating a 4th or 5th division, I don't see how my 181 Standard-to-Sport average is of similar skill level as a PBA pro or high level amateur bowler."

I'll be surprised if I get a response.
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Re: Green Sheet
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2024, 11:55:56 AM »
It is there to help pay for the better bowlers.

Because USBC thinks a 176 or higher converted average bowler and people who average 220+ on 2:1 conditions would go well together. I do not understand why so many people go to this tournament anymore outside of entertainment. The vast majority are donators. Should count as a tax write off for donating to pba/pwba and those who cant afford to leave their jobs to bowl said tours.




Yes. I'm only going this year because it's my 20th year, and for some reason I was hoping to get the 25 year award down the road. I'm seriously going to revisit my thinking.

The other thing that irks me is I brought 5-6 teams as a Captains Club  member for around 7 years. Last year, I lost 2 teams because they didn't want to go to Reno, and I'm booted out of the Captains Club now, so my group gets unfavorable shifts. Now, they announced on Feb 21st that they were extending Captains Club choices another week....wonder why they did that, it screws over those with 4 teams or less.

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Re: Green Sheet
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2024, 02:13:41 PM »
I wondered what had happened on registration. I only register one team now and I was sure that I had read it would open on the 22nd. Then today I went to the Open site to make sure of the time when it would open and the date said the 29th. They sent no notice to me that they had slid it a week.

Last year there was some sort of technical problem and they delayed the registration opening one day to correct it.

I'm not sure how to administer the team roster now. I had put in the 27 game average for everybody but now you might not know the average till the day you leave. We had been using some to pairings in doubles to keep as many as possible in the standard division.

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Re: Green Sheet
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2024, 02:23:06 PM »
I wondered what had happened on registration. I only register one team now and I was sure that I had read it would open on the 22nd. Then today I went to the Open site to make sure of the time when it would open and the date said the 29th. They sent no notice to me that they had slid it a week.

Last year there was some sort of technical problem and they delayed the registration opening one day to correct it.

I'm not sure how to administer the team roster now. I had put in the 27 game average for everybody but now you might not know the average till the day you leave. We had been using some to pairings in doubles to keep as many as possible in the standard division.

They sent out an email yesterday that they moved public registration to the 29th

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Re: Green Sheet
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2024, 04:17:49 PM »
I wondered what had happened on registration. I only register one team now and I was sure that I had read it would open on the 22nd. Then today I went to the Open site to make sure of the time when it would open and the date said the 29th. They sent no notice to me that they had slid it a week.

Last year there was some sort of technical problem and they delayed the registration opening one day to correct it.

I'm not sure how to administer the team roster now. I had put in the 27 game average for everybody but now you might not know the average till the day you leave. We had been using some to pairings in doubles to keep as many as possible in the standard division.

This does pose a problem. The green sheet ask about a "current" average, not the previous season. We bowl on Memorial Day weekend, but my group is completing their green sheets now. Averages can change between now and the end of the season.
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