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lefty50

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Heard it in the booth.....
« on: June 15, 2011, 03:26:33 AM »
I just got home last night from this year's trip to Reno, my 22nd year doing Nationals.  It's always interesting to listen to the commentary given by those who run the booths.  Some of it is interesting, some outlandish, but it's always entertaining.  This year's crop of comments was particularly entertaining, so much so that I thought I would share a few of the highlights for consideration.  Some of these comments are so strange that I feel the need to promise you up front these were actual statements told to me by the booth staffers.  Believe me, you can't make this stuff up!  I have suppressed names and companies in order to protect the innocent...

 

"_________" is an absolute jerk.

 

"Dual angles are complete marketing hype and have no value whatsoever."

 

"You need to listen to me.  I have worked for this company for 20 years, and I have lunch with the guy who owns the company.  I don't know and can't tell you any of the Rg's or differentials in any of our equipment because none of it matters".

 

"There is no such thing as mass bias.  Stop and think about it.  A bowling ball is round, how can it have a mass bias"? I PROMISE he said and meant mass bias, this was NOT a cgnomaddah comment or discussion. We were talking about the 6-3/4 MB location.

 

In answer to my comment that a particular polished ball I was considering was well known for over/under OOB and needed to have the surface adjusted... "No, that's wrong, you never want to change the surface on a polished ball.  You will affect the reaction that it was designed for.  If you do not like the OOB of a polished ball, then buy a solid ball in the first place".

 

After hearing this year's group of comments, I am more convinced than ever that I did the right thing when I stopped buying balls at Nationals many years ago.

 

 

 


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Re: Heard it in the booth.....
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2011, 11:32:16 AM »
WOW....I sure hope none of that was in the Big B booth! I know the Heim family would be devastated if it was.

 

Just goes to show howevere how many "hacks" are actually in the business. Makes me thankful for having some GREAT knowledgeable folks here.


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Re: Heard it in the booth.....
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2011, 12:07:21 PM »
....oh my God that's terrible.  Did they build a time machine and hire people from 1974 to work the booths or something?


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Re: Heard it in the booth.....
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2011, 12:39:08 PM »
Lefty,
 
I find that amazing but not surprising. It does make you wonder how many people supporting this industry do not deal with their (potential) customers from a foundation of facts.
 
I am not sure that some of them weren't just pulling your leg.


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Re: Heard it in the booth.....
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2011, 01:04:26 PM »
 

"_________" is an absolute jerk.

That doesn't surprise me about anyone these days. 
 

"Dual angles are complete marketing hype and have no value whatsoever."
 
This is where it gets funny to me. Even if someone doesn't want to buy into the idea of "this angle will tend to do this," and "this sum of angles lends its self to this" I can understand. Still for mapping layouts from one ball to the next and getting identical results every time, it is perfect. You know that if you drill 50x5"x50 on ten bowling balls they are all identical instead of the old guessing game of "pin up", "pin down" about 5" from your PAP ect ect ect.
 
I love even more that some companies fight the dual angle idea so hard they went with a modified version using angle, pin to pap, and pin buffer or mb buffer instead. I find it hilarious every time I see it.
 
40x4x2" buffer or 2" buffer x4x40      is funny I don't care what you say.

 

"You need to listen to me.  I have worked for this company for 20 years, and I have lunch with the guy who owns the company.  I don't know and can't tell you any of the Rg's or differentials in any of our equipment because none of it matters".

It is true. Because they change as soon as you put holes in the ball. These characteristics are to make the core cover combo work for the desired/designed ball reaction. I'm not sure if that is what is meant by these comments. 
 

"There is no such thing as mass bias. Stop and think about it. A bowling ball is round, how can it have a mass bias"? I PROMISE he said and meant mass bias, this was NOT a cgnomaddah comment or discussion. We were talking about the 6-3/4 MB location.
 
That is funny too I don't care who you are. Now if he came back and said PSA instead I could understand and give kudos much more. 

 

In answer to my comment that a particular polished ball I was considering was well known for over/under OOB and needed to have the surface adjusted... "No, that's wrong, you never want to change the surface on a polished ball. You will affect the reaction that it was designed for.  If you do not like the OOB of a polished ball, then buy a solid ball in the first place".
 
This is probably the jerk/d#ck mentioned from the first comment. 

 

After hearing this year's group of comments, I am more convinced than ever that I did the right thing when I stopped buying balls at Nationals many years ago.
This is why I stopped buying and having my stuff drilled at local shops and started learning and doing it myself. If this is the kind of information or lack of information your seeing at a national tournament with some of the "top" people from different manufactures then it goes to show how bad on average the lack of knowledge is in more local shops across the country. Not all, but probably more bad then good. Old thinking and failure to adapt is what leads to the problems listed. 


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Edited by kidlost2000 on 6/15/2011 at 3:16 PM
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Heard it in the booth.....
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2011, 01:54:30 PM »
2009 in Las Vegas, I never heard that from the Hammer and Ebonite booths. Good forbid the said that to me about surface changes...wouldn't have shot my best set without their help. There must be some real dunderheads at some of those booths this year!

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Re: Heard it in the booth.....
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2011, 02:12:46 PM »
Jeff, I can tell when someone's pulling my leg   :(

 

I can tell you that the particular rep I was talking to at that time must have been having a bad day, and I actually asked him if he was. His comments were soooo far off the wall. This guy exuded customer contempt. He really needed a break from the routine.


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Re: Heard it in the booth.....
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2011, 02:23:40 PM »
Was it at the Visionary booth?


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Re: Heard it in the booth.....
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2011, 02:28:09 PM »
 I don't think it was Frankie at the visionary booth. But I do have a really good idea as to what booth it was

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Re: Heard it in the booth.....
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2011, 02:37:07 PM »
The only reason I jokingly said Visionary was because I know Frankie can get frustrated with "dorks". I wasn't a shot that them. I never had a bad experience with Visionary.  


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Re: Heard it in the booth.....
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2011, 02:47:41 PM »
If you remember and I could be possibly wrong too mo pinel used the pin buffer on the flip leverage drilling 3-3/8 x 3-3/8 x 1" pin from val and I believe a 7" across hole. If I am wrong I stand to be corrected.This is going back many years ago.
 
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Re: Heard it in the booth.....
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2011, 10:51:47 AM »
While I was there at the end of May I over saw one of the Storm guys pretty much giving a lesson on bowling balls and their dynamics to the guy who was drilling at the AMF spot.  I was pretty shocked at some of the conversation honestly.


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Re: Heard it in the booth.....
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2011, 01:23:36 PM »
"Dual angles are complete marketing hype and have no value whatsoever."
 
 
Marketing hype?  Doesn't that imply that something is being sold?  I wasn't aware that anybody was selling dual angles or making any money off of the concept.

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Re: Heard it in the booth.....
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2011, 04:20:45 PM »
I forgot about Storm. One of their guys is a complete a-hole. I will think of his name shortly but he is a D-bag. Great company, just an awful person.

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Re: Heard it in the booth.....
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2011, 06:09:04 PM »
Steve,
 
I was just trying to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
 
lefty50 wrote on 6/15/2011 2:12 PM:
Jeff, I can tell when someone's pulling my leg   :(

 

I can tell you that the particular rep I was talking to at that time must have been having a bad day, and I actually asked him if he was. His comments were soooo far off the wall. This guy exuded customer contempt. He really needed a break from the routine.


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