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milorafferty

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How should USBC generate revenue?
« on: May 11, 2015, 11:07:11 AM »
I've read many different post containing comments about how USBC is wrong for imposing a fee, charges too much, trying to sell something, cutting the awards etc. 


I know the national dues have not increased for at least eight years, and the national delegates will probably continue to vote down any increases.


So how is the organization supposed to generate the revenue needed to operate? If we are to continue to have the sport of bowling, shouldn't we as bowlers be willing to support the governing body instead of just bitching about it all the time?

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Re: How should USBC generate revenue?
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2015, 03:20:34 PM »
It is worth the $18 a year just for the online average and award score tracking.  And remember, only about 1/2 of your fee is going to Arlington.  The rest stays local.  No one complains of how little you get at the local level.   

It costs $30 a year to keep a handicap in the USGA's GHIN system, and if you don't renew your handicap is taken down until you do.  My wife pays $30-40 for each USTA tennis league she plays in, plus court fees to the facility you play at.  And these are organizations that have their respective US Opens as their cash cow.


I agree 100%. Most Bowlers don't know about the Local Assn taking money. Not really sure what their taking the money for? Anyone know?
It baffles me and I was a Director for our local association at one point. We have a ton of money in "investments", mostly mutual funds, that has been there for years. Our city tournament doesn't pay squat. The local Masters tournament gets money from sponsors and entry fees, the awards banquet is paid for by raffles and ticket sales. Other than providing breakfast once a year for the board meetings, paying for two useless idiots to travel to the convention once a year and $500 a month for the association manager, I could never figure out where the money went, other than into the same mutual funds.



So Your basically saying We are not getting ripped of by USBC, We are getting ripped off by the Local Assn? $500 a Month? To do what?

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Re: How should USBC generate revenue?
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2015, 03:30:32 PM »
It is worth the $18 a year just for the online average and award score tracking.  And remember, only about 1/2 of your fee is going to Arlington.  The rest stays local.  No one complains of how little you get at the local level.   

It costs $30 a year to keep a handicap in the USGA's GHIN system, and if you don't renew your handicap is taken down until you do.  My wife pays $30-40 for each USTA tennis league she plays in, plus court fees to the facility you play at.  And these are organizations that have their respective US Opens as their cash cow.


I agree 100%. Most Bowlers don't know about the Local Assn taking money. Not really sure what their taking the money for? Anyone know?
It baffles me and I was a Director for our local association at one point. We have a ton of money in "investments", mostly mutual funds, that has been there for years. Our city tournament doesn't pay squat. The local Masters tournament gets money from sponsors and entry fees, the awards banquet is paid for by raffles and ticket sales. Other than providing breakfast once a year for the board meetings, paying for two useless idiots to travel to the convention once a year and $500 a month for the association manager, I could never figure out where the money went, other than into the same mutual funds.



So Your basically saying We are not getting ripped of by USBC, We are getting ripped off by the Local Assn? $500 a Month? To do what?

I think the $500 a month was well spent actually. The Association manager does quite a lot actually. Instead of listing the limited things I know ours did, I am attaching a link to the job for another association. But this is pretty much the same things ours does.


http://www.daytonbowler.com/merger/Association_Manager_Job_Description_04.21.09.pdf
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Re: How should USBC generate revenue?
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2015, 04:44:25 PM »
They're not hurting they got 19 million in cash...

I dont think they should have nearly a third of that in payroll slaries...that's a Lil high.

What is the basis for thinking their salaries are high and that salaries should be a third of what they are actually are?  I honestly want to understand the rationale.

In 2006, when revenues were $47.6M, salaries and fringe benefits were $16.5M, or 35% of revenues.  Last year, revenues were $32.4M and salaries and fringe benefits were $8.0M, or 24% of revenues. The USBC is actually generating more revenue per salary/fringe benefits dollars spent in 2014 vs 2006 - which points to better management...
 
Also, service industries (which the USBC kind of is) usually have salaries/fringe benefits in the 50% of revenues range.  Based on this, I would say salaries/fringe benefits are just fine for the revenue they are generating.

And for the record, I am not saying the USBC is doing a good or bad job at being the national governing body for the sport of bowling.  That is a separate discussion.

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Re: How should USBC generate revenue?
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2015, 06:01:14 PM »
The fees for bowlers is cheap.  It appears theres been an obvious drop in dues revenue of almost 35% in 5 years.  That is a lot. Not sure how to generate more revenue,  but I have no doubt they need to.
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Re: How should USBC generate revenue?
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2015, 07:37:32 PM »

In 2006, when revenues were $47.6M, salaries and fringe benefits were $16.5M, or 35% of revenues.  Last year, revenues were $32.4M and salaries and fringe benefits were $8.0M, or 24% of revenues. The USBC is actually generating more revenue per salary/fringe benefits dollars spent in 2014 vs 2006 - which points to better management...


After re-reading my response, let me clarify - its not better management as revenues are falling and bowling is not in a better place now than it was in 2006.  It's a more efficient group of employees generating revenue is what I should have originally wrote. 

The salaries and fringe benefits of USBC employees are not what USBC members should be worried about right now.