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Strapper_Squared

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Open Championships Average
« on: May 02, 2018, 02:19:30 PM »
Browsing through my USBC online profile and noticed the Open Championships tab.  It lists your scratch average for the last 27 games at the Open tournament. 

My question is why is this average not used to categorize at the tournament?

I bowl league on a stupid easy house shot where anywhere right of the 3rd arrow finds the pocket.  It may not carry, but it makes it there.  I then travel to the Open Championships and bowl on a condition where I need tohave the right equipment with the right surface, be able to very precisely repeat shots, and shoot spare that quite honestly I rarely see otherwise.  Im just not good enough (or practiced enough) to do this.  My average delta between league and the OC tournament is massive.

Seems like your open average (or even your OC sport adjusted - which appears to be OC average plus about 30 pins), would be a better reflection of a bowlers true potential on the OC conditions in that environment.

Under the current rules, I have zero percent chance of competing.  I fall into the "participant" category.

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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2018, 04:55:53 PM »
Agreed.  Was wondering why they would take your 27 games OC average and then convert it to a sport average - when it was clearly established on a sport shot...

Are they overthinking this?

That's not what they are doing though. They are treating your OC Average as a sport shot and converting(or reverting if you will) back to a non-sport/challenge shot average.

The way I read the FAQ and other information about the 2019 Nationals is if you have 27 games bowled at Nationals that is the average you use (no conversions).  If you don't have the 27 games or a sport shot average then you go by your high book average which is then converted to a sport average.


I think I worded that wrong. Everything is being converted to a Sport shot average. Which makes 204 average converts to a 176 Sport average, lower than the 210 which would covert to a 181.

USBC wants more chum in the waters for their precious top level bowlers. I know they had to take a hit in bracket winnings last year.
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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2018, 09:22:28 PM »
I believe the intent of the usbc is two fold.  One is to try and make the entering average as fair as possible, and by using the last three years tournament average I think is as fair as you can get.

I may be wrong, but I think the other averages, even if higher only take place if you donít have a tournament average.

Now the other intent of trying for a division split of roughly 20 percent classified, 40 percent standard, and 40 percent regular is a little more difficult to implement.

They can spin the stats anyway they want.  But like the other poster said, the intent was the same in 2017, and it didnít work. I think less than 10 percent of the teams were classified.

I couldnít find a link to the 2017 estimated prize fund which would show how many bowlers were in each division.

But I did notice that the adjusted the sport shot conversion chart which forced more ďstandardĒ bowlers to regular status and 2019 will be more of the same.

I do know that every captain of house hacks adjusted the line ups to keep as many teams in standard and classified as possible, spreading the regular and standard bowlers as necessary to keep within the cap.

I totally agree, if you canít average 215 on a house shot you have no chance in the regular division.  Our group has bowlers that were over 220 for years that barely got more than meal money back in the old days when regular was 181plus on a house shot.

They get wiped out in todayís game yet they are still 220.

My opinion is they are adjusting the individual averages so it will be so difficult to stay standard or classified.  They will force 40 percent of the teams into regular, protecting the prize fund for the elite bowlers.

If you really wanted to be a battle of peers.  Maybe 170 and under. 171 to 190, 191 to 215, and 216  plus.

Course that dilutes the prize fund for the top level even more but, that wasnít the intention.

Wonder how much bitching was done by the top bowlers that were used to cleaning up in brackets only to find the competition was fewer and tougher.

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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2018, 05:41:45 AM »

I may be wrong, but I think the other averages, even if higher only take place if you donít have a tournament average.


You're not wrong. That is what the Nationals documentation says.

Strapper_Squared

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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2018, 06:50:27 AM »
I must have mis-read.  Thought it was the higher of your adjusted open or league average?  Or is this the new change in 2019?
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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2018, 07:38:04 AM »
OC 27 games comes first. Rules clearly say if you have it, you use it....... And they are converting down to sport, not up as previously.....


1. AVERAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR 2019 OPEN CHAMPIONSHIPS
The average to be used will be determined in the following order:
A. Open Championships tournament average, based on most recent 27 games bowled at
the tournament since 2010. (Championships Average).
B. Bowlers without a qualifying Championships Average will enter with the highest
average from the following:
1) Highest USBC-certified league average (winter, summer or composite*),
based on 21 or more games from:
a) 2017/2018 season or
b) 2016/2017 season or
c) 2015/2016 season
Averages NOT established on a Sport condition will be converted downward using the
appropriate Sport or Challenge conversion chart.
C. Bowlers who do not meet any of the average requirements in item A or B, will enter
with the highest of the following:
1) Current certified average at the time of bowling of 21 or more games, converted
downward using the appropriate Sport or Challenge conversion chart (if not already Sport).
2) Current composite average of 21 or more games in all current USBC leagues,
converted downward using the appropriate Sport or Challenge conversion chart (if not
already Sport).
League standings sheets or a letter of verification from association secretary must be
presented upon check-in.
D. If, at the time of bowling an entrant has a current average for 21 or more games,
converted to Sport, that is 10 or more pins higher than the average determined in item B,
the current Sport-converted average must be used, if applicable.
E. If, during the 12-month period immediately preceding the time and date of bowling at
the 2019 Open Championships, the bowlerís accumulated average for all, but not less than
21 tournament games, exceeds the average determined in items B or C by 15 or more pins,
the accumulated average, Sport-converted, must be reported and used for
classification purposes.
F. Bowlers who do not meet any of the average requirements stated in items A, B or C will
be entered with a 220 Sport average.

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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2018, 08:50:16 AM »
So heres my profile and you can let me know what i bowl off of, 185avg - 27gm - 214 sport converted. What you are saying now is that i will be bowling off the 185 starting next year? So ill be at the lower end of the top division against all the top level professionals and amateurs bowling for a living. Thanks but no thanks.
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rdw

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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2018, 09:36:08 AM »
Exactly,

Although you are not as bad as all though 176 bowlers that are being bumped up to join the slaughter.

As a rule, not a lot of standard brackets per squad, but after time I think it would grow, since you would figure out you are against peers.

But if you think Iím going to throw away money against the pros just cause Iíve been bumped up to the bottom of the food chain, forget it.

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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2018, 11:01:50 AM »
So heres my profile and you can let me know what i bowl off of, 185avg - 27gm - 214 sport converted. What you are saying now is that i will be bowling off the 185 starting next year? So ill be at the lower end of the top division against all the top level professionals and amateurs bowling for a living. Thanks but no thanks.

Yep, you will be in the regular division against the cream of the crop of the bowling world.

mrwizerd

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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2018, 11:10:48 AM »

But if you think Iím going to throw away money against the pros just cause Iíve been bumped up to the bottom of the food chain, forget it.

Completely agree.  USBC was booking me at 225, but the 27 game at Nationals has me averaging 175.  I usually get into brackets for one squad and it's always for a very small amount.

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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2018, 11:18:41 AM »
In my opinion, instead of 20% Classified, 40% Standard, 40% Regular, the mix should be;
30% Classified, 60% Standard, 10% Regular. Like the population in most handicap leagues(at least in my experience).

Let the Professionals and the Professional Level Amateurs battle with each other for prize and brackets rather than pillage the rest of us.
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Re: Open Championships Average
« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2018, 11:23:37 AM »
In my opinion, instead of 20% Classified, 40% Standard, 40% Regular, the mix should be;
30% Classified, 60% Standard, 10% Regular. Like the population in most handicap leagues(at least in my experience).

Let the Professionals and the Professional Level Amateurs battle with each other for prize and brackets rather than pillage the rest of us.

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Re: Open Championships Average
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Re: Open Championships Average
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Re: Open Championships Average
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