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General Category => USBC Tournament => Topic started by: Jorge300 on February 26, 2015, 05:27:11 PM
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Has anyone seen any information on this? The tournament is starting up pretty soon and I haven't seen anything advertised about this as of yet. Thanks.
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Jorge - my recollection of the prior USBC statements was that there was NOT going to be the same pattern release broadcast in 2015 that there had been in the past.
ps - what's going on with this site ? no response to you in more than 48 hours ??
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My guess is they will release the video early this week. I would be surprised to see it go more than a 2 days before the event.
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Per the "2015 USBC Open Championships - El Paso, TX" Facebook page, they will be releasing the pattern 1-2 days prior to the event.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/482715161831580/
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Flat oil pattern with no bump room on the gutters and break point around 10 at the tracer downlane.
If you are lefthanded your gutters will have hook the right handers don't. Just see any online videos of the event from the last 5 years or so.
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not much response because it seems to be a bit different this year.
the guy who was partly responsible for the patterns, Eric Pierson was relieved of pattern design duties this year.
he used to be in the kick-off show
im not sure who is the decision maker(s) this year, but 1 thing is for sure, they want higher scores, just look at what happened last year
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I bowl the 14th and 15th. I'll be a guinea pig and post a recap when I get. The team i'm going with has a practice session scheduled out there as well so hopefully it'll go alright. Sometimes not having a lot of feedback and going in and letting the lanes tell me what I need to know works better for me than getting over hyped from the videos telling me how I should play the lanes.
Little back info, i'm a 220-225 average league bowler, averaging ~205 at the open championships.
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we're right on your heels on 3/17 and 3/18 although Lord knows what 3/18 will be like after tex-mex st. patty's night
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The teams that go later to the tournament will always have an advantage.
They can practice on the pattern longer, set up their equipment, setup their team strategy, and their spies at the tournament will feed them information on what factors are scoring the best.
But I believe the bowlers in the first month of the tournament are treated like second class citizens.
I know the USBC will claim they are still tweaking the pattern, but I would bet that in Arlington team USA has been practicing on essentially the tournament pattern for several months.
The patterns should have been released a month ago giving everyone an opportunity to practice on the pattern.
Maybe virtually none of the early participants would avail themselves to that chance but at least they would have it.
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The teams that go later to the tournament will always have an advantage.
They can practice on the pattern longer, set up their equipment, setup their team strategy, and their spies at the tournament will feed them information on what factors are scoring the best.
But I believe the bowlers in the first month of the tournament are treated like second class citizens.
I know the USBC will claim they are still tweaking the pattern, but I would bet that in Arlington team USA has been practicing on essentially the tournament pattern for several months.
The patterns should have been released a month ago giving everyone an opportunity to practice on the pattern.
Maybe virtually none of the early participants would avail themselves to that chance but at least they would have it.
I do agree with some of your sentiments. But, even so. The cream will always rise to the top. Do you honestly think if a team of random "scratch" bowlers from any league is going to have a good chance of popping off a 3400+ if they had practiced? Most of the teams on top are going to be former PBA members, people from Team USA, or staff guys from the industry (Vise, Turbo, ball companies). Most people that have 220 THS averages at their home centers could get to 3200 or so. Every so often we get a guy like a Matt McNiel that will show up and have a good year (or in his case 3). But even he isnt just some house 220 league bowler. Thats because the average 220 league guy still cant hit the same two board area at the arrows for more than 2 or 3 shots at a time.
I may get flamed for some of my comments and that is fine. But I base this on what I see. There are guys in my league that average 220 that one ball only gets to 10 at the breakpoint and the next shot gets to 5-6 and both shots strike. Take away that area; they instantly become 195-200 average bowlers. NOW....take those people and put them on a shot with a 2.5:1 ratio shot. No way they shoot 3000 let alone 3400+.
Bottom line............no matter how much practice someone gets; the best will always be at the top of the standings.
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twohanded834 - I agree completely with what you are saying.
I've bowled with and against collegiate and PBA champions. I have no illusions that my game is on their level, particularly now in my 60's.
Going to nationals for 30 years now I have seen hundreds of the cases you are talking about.
I just feel that if a bowler or a team of bowlers is willing to put in the work they should be given a chance to do it regardless of when they are scheduled to bowl.
The USBC wants to tout teamwork, lane play, and practice but they really don't give 1/4 of the field a chance to learn to do that on the shot.
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The teams that go later to the tournament will always have an advantage.
They can practice on the pattern longer, set up their equipment, setup their team strategy, and their spies at the tournament will feed them information on what factors are scoring the best.
But I believe the bowlers in the first month of the tournament are treated like second class citizens.
I know the USBC will claim they are still tweaking the pattern, but I would bet that in Arlington team USA has been practicing on essentially the tournament pattern for several months.
The patterns should have been released a month ago giving everyone an opportunity to practice on the pattern.
Maybe virtually none of the early participants would avail themselves to that chance but at least they would have it.
I do agree with some of your sentiments. But, even so. The cream will always rise to the top. Do you honestly think if a team of random "scratch" bowlers from any league is going to have a good chance of popping off a 3400+ if they had practiced? Most of the teams on top are going to be former PBA members, people from Team USA, or staff guys from the industry (Vise, Turbo, ball companies). Most people that have 220 THS averages at their home centers could get to 3200 or so. Every so often we get a guy like a Matt McNiel that will show up and have a good year (or in his case 3). But even he isnt just some house 220 league bowler. Thats because the average 220 league guy still cant hit the same two board area at the arrows for more than 2 or 3 shots at a time.
I may get flamed for some of my comments and that is fine. But I base this on what I see. There are guys in my league that average 220 that one ball only gets to 10 at the breakpoint and the next shot gets to 5-6 and both shots strike. Take away that area; they instantly become 195-200 average bowlers. NOW....take those people and put them on a shot with a 2.5:1 ratio shot. No way they shoot 3000 let alone 3400+.
Bottom line............no matter how much practice someone gets; the best will always be at the top of the standings.
Very true. Most 220 average bowler I've seen usually shoot in the low 500's or less at the Open. What the House shot giveth, the Sport shot taketh away!
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Cream rises to the top because of time spent practicing on it. Pros don't go into tournaments blind to the conditions that event. They practice on all of them to develop their games. The open is no different. They do not go into it blind. They create their advantage. All our averages would increase on the open conditions if we bowled on it a few times. (In any house on any lane)
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And you would still get beat even if you practiced on the pattern. The guys that are at the top every year are just plain better bowlers.
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bowlers from top to the lower levels are seperated mentally....
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And you would still get beat even if you practiced on the pattern. The guys that are at the top every year are just plain better bowlers.
The difference would be less. Which is why they shouldn't release the pattern. Let the greats be great reading the condition as they see it not practicing on it months in advance.
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If they do not release the pattern you will have people crying that special teams get the pattern or people close to HQ get the pattern. If you release it, it stops all that talk. If you want to practice on the pattern bowl later. Everyone has the ability to pick the dates they bowl.
I do agree that the pattern should be released earlier but this is how they are doing it now and if someone wants to practice on the pattern either go later in the year or do the team practice session they are hosting on site.
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For what it's worth the pattern should be released to everyone. If the pattern isn't released there always will be a handful that knows and therefore have an advantage.
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it's 3/4 and the tourney starts 3/7. the pattern will be released in "early march" (still) according to the lane condition link. i guess that's any time before 3/15.........
maybe they are trying to scratch together enough money for conditioner. WD40 and a mop will work just fine, guys
on another note, the patterns are usually very similar and while i can read and understand the nuances, there's still probably only about 10% of the bowlers that care
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I will go back to my original guesstimate. Flat oil, break point around 10 at the tracer with no bump on the gutter unless you are left handed.
Go ahead and list that for the next several tournaments.
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I will go back to my original guesstimate. Flat oil, break point around 10 at the tracer with no bump on the gutter unless you are left handed.
Go ahead and list that for the next several tournaments.
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I wonder if the incremental changes they make each year are offset by the incremental differences in topography from the tournament location and any house that puts out the shot.
If you can practice on any of the previous tournament's shots, or better yet, all of them, then you should be plenty prepared for the earlier dates. Once the shot is released, then practice on it up until your scheduled date.
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I will go back to my original guesstimate. Flat oil, break point around 10 at the tracer with no bump on the gutter unless you are left handed.
Go ahead and list that for the next several tournaments.
You say that...but I am right handed and I shot 256 the last game of singles playing straight up 2-3. You can't swing it to there, but there are many times there has been a shot outside over the years.
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You had 2-3, that is cute.
The lefties I watched and bowled with had 7 to the gutter and more room then anything I had seen by any right handers. It is consistent every year if you watch some of the different big name groups with any lefties.
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You had 2-3, that is cute.
The lefties I watched and bowled with had 7 to the gutter and more room then anything I had seen by any right handers. It is consistent every year if you watch some of the different big name groups with any lefties.
Part of the reason theres an all power house left-handed team going this year.
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I will go back to my original guesstimate. Flat oil, break point around 10 at the tracer with no bump on the gutter unless you are left handed.
Go ahead and list that for the next several tournaments.
You say that...but I am right handed and I shot 256 the last game of singles playing straight up 2-3. You can't swing it to there, but there are many times there has been a shot outside over the years.
So did I, playing 23 at the arrows to 10 at the breakpoint.
Moral of the story: they will be flater oil, multiple angles patterns, ball selection will be volume dependent.
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You had 2-3, that is cute.
The lefties I watched and bowled with had 7 to the gutter and more room then anything I had seen by any right handers. It is consistent every year if you watch some of the different big name groups with any lefties.
Dude, chill out a little. I wasn't getting a right vs left thing, but obviously you have some deep-seeded issues you need to work out on your own. My point was you were wrong. There is a shot outside and there has been many times in the past, even on the right side of the lane. Take your hatred of lefties to your own thread.
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There always a shot out side just don't swing it. Ask Eugene McCune! I'm sure you can play that outside line but gotta be precise or lots of ten pin will be on it's way due to the angle.
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This is a good topic, as it is drawing in the pitting of "is this line 'available'?" VERSUS "does this line give me the largest room for error?".
This is the crux (no pun intended but still lol) of the concept of reading the lanes. This is what those that rise to the top pair with God given talent.
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You had 2-3, that is cute.
The lefties I watched and bowled with had 7 to the gutter and more room then anything I had seen by any right handers. It is consistent every year if you watch some of the different big name groups with any lefties.
Dude, chill out a little. I wasn't getting a right vs left thing, but obviously you have some deep-seeded issues you need to work out on your own. My point was you were wrong. There is a shot outside and there has been many times in the past, even on the right side of the lane. Take your hatred of lefties to your own thread.
The last two years I used a VG Nano Pearl in D/S and straight up the 3 - 4 board was money.
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You have to remember this is a non-reno year. So the lanes are brand new and (from bowling on new lanes before in this tournament) seem to play tighter and not give as much room. (The track in RENO is beat up... at least on the right side.)
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You have to remember this is a non-reno year. So the lanes are brand new and (from bowling on new lanes before in this tournament) seem to play tighter and not give as much room. (The track in RENO is beat up... at least on the right side.)
Not anymore. They are currently replacing all the panels. They were only 6 years old last year anyway.
I am also curious to know if they reuse the panels when they aren't in Reno? I've heard lots of stories, but don't know for sure whether they sell them, donate them, or ship them back to headquarters.
**On Edit, they say all new panels this year.
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Video posted with the patterns on bowl.com and YouTube
Team event is 38 feet, flatter, and more volume
D/S is 39, flatter, and more volume
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Video posted with the patterns on bowl.com and YouTube
Team event is 38 feet, flatter, and more volume
D/S is 39, flatter, and more volume
Here is the video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_s_doZ001uY
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Sorry to get off topic but is the open championship about money , fun , pride??? I never been to one and possibly in the future wen my job etc allows me to bowl it I would like to know what I'm excepting .
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there's never a single drop of oil on 1.
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You had 2-3, that is cute.
The lefties I watched and bowled with had 7 to the gutter and more room then anything I had seen by any right handers. It is consistent every year if you watch some of the different big name groups with any lefties.
Dude, chill out a little. I wasn't getting a right vs left thing, but obviously you have some deep-seeded issues you need to work out on your own. My point was you were wrong. There is a shot outside and there has been many times in the past, even on the right side of the lane. Take your hatred of lefties to your own thread.
Learn to laugh and I wouldn't have to chill out.
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there's never a single drop of oil on 1.
Sorry to get off topic but is the open championship about money , fun , pride??? I never been to one and possibly in the future wen my job etc allows me to bowl it I would like to know what I'm excepting .
For me, it's about pride and fun, cashing takes care of itself if you execute.
Also, it gives you a test of where your game is- if you bowl well, all your practice has paid off. If you stink, time to re evaluate.
Just be honest with yourself no matter what. Most of us aren't used to bowling on flatter patterns, so focus on being clean on release and hitting the target. If you're not doing that, you know that's the main focus to work on in your game.
I bowl March 20-21, I'm optimistic but we'll see. I struggled in team event in Baton Rouge, this looks to be a similar lane condition.